NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[SnowStorm]

And you can't slate me for lurking when you're arguably the biggest lurker in this game.

Am I? Wow, that sucks. At least I bothered enough to play the game instead of just walking the plank towards a day 1 lynch and suddenly realizing it was a bad idea.

No, you have just flown under the radar more than I have because I haven't been trying to make an effort to blend in the days I was busy, while you have been cautiously lurking all game.

What's your point? Are you actually calling me scum for having a low post count or are you just frustrated with your horrible play?

[talah]

I'm not going to pretend I have read every post, because I haven't, but I have followed the thread loosely and

have an idea of who I think might be leaning town/scum

. It's 23:10 where I am and I need to get up at 5am for work, so I'm off to bed. I will post more Tomorrow.

Can you actually do the bolded please.

[AngryPidgeon]

For fucks sake

[AngryPidgeon]

Intent to hammer if nothing has happened in a few hours.

[Damon_Gant]

Intent to hammer if nothing has happened in a few hours.

Honestly, what are you actually waiting for? The sky to cave in? Luca or talah to confess? The only thing interesting that can possibly happen now is perhaps a response to this:

I'm not going to pretend I have read every post, because I haven't, but I have followed the thread loosely and

have an idea of who I think might be leaning town/scum

. It's 23:10 where I am and I need to get up at 5am for work, so I'm off to bed. I will post more Tomorrow.

Can you actually do the bolded please.

but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[AngryPidgeon]

Honestly, what are you actually waiting for?

A talah lynch, but it doesn't look like its happening.

Mastin, do you have anything to add?

[Damon_Gant]

Honestly, what are you actually waiting for?

A talah lynch, but it doesn't look like its happening.

I did mean to also point out that with Luca at L-1, it's unlikely that people are going to transfer their vote across to talah.

[mastin2]

Null/very weak town: pisskop (replaced Doc Holiday), DG,
Dead null: BPC
Null/very weak scum: Nero, DV
Probably scum: RM, aptil
Scum: ThAd

These need a whole heck of a lot more explanation.

ThAd needs more context. Rach is always a low-contributor in games; you have to read the mindset, not the content. Aptil is a newb, who I have a decent ability to read. Nothing about BPC looks like scum to me. Nero and DV also don't look like scum, 'specially not Nero. (I can read Nero fairly well, and this is his townplay.) The DG/pisskop reads also need explanation.

To be honest I think I've made my bed with this one, it's my own fault if I get lynched, I take full responsibility.

I would be favourable to a quick-wagoning of Rach, but from the general perspective of the town either me or Talah (VT v VT claims) is going to be the best bet, and as I have already given my vote to Talah there isn't a lot more I can do!

I started the game lazily, but in a way where if I was another player, I would look at me and think "yeah, that guy must be town, he just doesn't give a f*ck!".

Clearly this tactic has backfired, but as others seem to agree I feel there is definitely some scum on my wagon, so when I'm gone go and hunt them down!

Okay, guys. This is insanely town. Why do you want it dead, exactly?

If anything I think she's sheeping AP, which ultimately is a VERY BAD MOVE for town-mastin, if you're reading.

It's a bad move regardless of AP's alignment. Town-AP

is

prone to make errors, like in The Fall, where I did sheep him essentially. So I do take his reads with grains (plural!) of salt. But he's also an overall solid scumhunter, one of the better ones on the site, which is why I don't carelessly discard his reads, either. But right now, my reads aren't sheeping his at all. If they line up, that's good, and also a sign of us both being town, but I assure you, I'm not following him right now.

(For the record--talah looks town for this post, too.)
UNVOTE: Talah.

unvote, vote: aptil

Nooooo. Im not having another street racers: Las Vegas.

Anxiety could just be scum, you know.

Vote: 4nxi3ty

.
For the moment.

Got a few pages to catch up on still. (And this is why I didn't decide to read all sixty.)

[mastin2]

Mastin I do understand that you are having issues with reading all the pages, with the consideration of time limit to deadline, maybe just focus on stuff regarding the two main wagons? That should at least give you some reads and something to discuss.

Assessment: they both suck. We need another option.

Your alignment is irrelevant to this. Your short-sightedness is that you fail to see how people might prefer a Luca lynch to a talah lynch. Also, talah, if you're town, get that vote off yourself. If you don't want to play anymore, then vote Luca, see how the day pans out and then replace out tomorrow if that's still the case. Don't screw the game up.
As I've said before, I will do what's necessary to avoid a no lynch, and that includes moving my vote to talah. However, for now I see no need to do this and instead would call on those who are not on talah or Luca to choose between these, because we're not lynching anyone else today. A vote elsewhere is a vote for no lynch, which is a horrible outcome for town.

Damon's scum, talah/Luca's alignments regardless. Luca's definitely not scum. talah

could

be, but this doesn't come from a town player.

/65.

[mastin2]

I also think his self-voting is purely manipulative, especially in light of wanting the town to get information from the lynches.

Self-voting manipulative, sure, but that's the TOWN manipulation. If talah had a major-near-100% town/scumread (or better yet, both), he'd have pulled off a classic Mastin gambit. He could be scum manipulating, but I sincerely doubt that.

meh

vote: Talah

more than willing to switch to Luca if it makes it further

Yep. This? This is scum.

Talah and Luca are both town. Damon and anxiety are both scum.

I know it's an unpopular position on this site but I'd literally rather no-lynch than lynch someone I think is town.

fuck it I'd rather talah stay around than luca

vote: luca

Lucy. You've got some 'splainin' to do.

[mastin2]

I kind of like talah's posting. mastin's entry doesn't feel right. I like BipolarChemist townreading RachMarie early, given that scum might not make the effort to see that it's her town game. I'm not town reading Yates, which worries me. Usually his town game feels very town to me, but he's more organized and methodical than I've come to expect from him as town. Not to say that he isn't good as town, but he feels very removed from his points here. I want to read AP as town, but he feels kind of overblown in his his entrance posts. Looking down the line again, I get the sense that he's pushing a lot with smoke and mirrors.
Screw it, I don't like the leading wagons.

Yates asked me about Zdenek and pisskop. Zdenek's posts come off as having town motivations. pisskop, less so, but his train of thought as he posts reads as more organic than I'd expect from scum. I don't think he was this loose in Newbie 1462, overall impression. I don't have him as clear town, but I wouldn't lynch him today.

I'd deadline lynch Luca over talah right now for contribution levels/likelihood of being able to read them down the line.

Catch up got delayed with vacation activities, so the game's kind of percolating in my head right now. I like PV for town, and I like some of 4nxi3ty's posts for their willingness to take information and apply context, as when he sorts lurkers beyond, 'scummy, kill.' Also generally think I like ThAd, nothing specific yet.

Town. (Which is an assurance that she's actually scum. )

[mastin2]

Mastin, do you have anything to add?

Does "I shoulda been here sooner to stop the idiocy from piling on, it's probably too late by now, but if it wasn't too late, I'd be flashwagoning Damon" count?

[mastin2]

VOTE: Damon Gant.

It's not vanity.
It's

sanity

.

[aptil]

Can we just end the day now .

[4nxi3ty]

not til you share which people have meaningful interactions with talah and/or more thoughts on others.

Yep. This? This is scum.

explain further por favor

[aptil]

not til you share which people have meaningful interactions with talah and/or more thoughts on others.

Thats for day 2 .
VOTE: Luca . Finish the day please .

[Nero Cain]

^ It would be interesting to know what his reason for doing so was; did he prefer a lynch on me but feel Talah's wagon didn't have enough momentum?

I don't really care all that much who flips (though I still prefer you a bit over Talah) I misread and thought Talah was L-2 and we only had 3 hours till deadline so I was willing to put Talah at L-1 to avoid a no lynch 'cause really a no lynch on day 1 has no benefit for town.

"Yo thad's scum for starting a counterwagon, lets start a counterwagon on thad"
???

I don't believe you actually think that is why we voted you.

Please do tell then.

Both Snork and I had expressed suspicion over you and had you in our scum tiers. It's naive to think that we'd just start a CW on you because you started one, and for some reason you don't strike me like the naive type.

That fake-interpretation of our actions was just a way to discredit our attempted CW on you because you present a silly hypocrite reason that was never given by us and ignore the actual reasons behind the vote.

Well, both you and Snork voted him right after the whole counter wagon discussion started so its an EXTREMELY reasonable that someone not privy to ya'lls thoughts would think this especially in light of any other reasoning. Though you calaim there was OTHER reasoning for this vote so you can quote it.

Also why are you more concerned with Thad thinking this but not me?

[Nero Cain]

^ It would be interesting to know what his reason for doing so was; did he prefer a lynch on me but feel Talah's wagon didn't have enough momentum?

I don't really care all that much who flips (though I still prefer you a bit over Talah) I misread and thought Talah was L-2 and we only had 3 hours till deadline so I was willing to put Talah at L-1 to avoid a no lynch 'cause really a no lynch on day 1 has no benefit for town.

"Yo thad's scum for starting a counterwagon, lets start a counterwagon on thad"
???

I don't believe you actually think that is why we voted you.

Please do tell then.

Both Snork and I had expressed suspicion over you and had you in our scum tiers. It's naive to think that we'd just start a CW on you because you started one, and for some reason you don't strike me like the naive type.

That fake-interpretation of our actions was just a way to discredit our attempted CW on you because you present a silly hypocrite reason that was never given by us and ignore the actual reasons behind the vote.

Well, both you and Snork voted him right after the whole counter wagon discussion started so its an EXTREMELY reasonable that someone not privy to ya'lls thoughts would think this especially in light of any other reasoning. Though you calaim there was OTHER reasoning for this vote so you can quote it.

Also why are you more concerned with Thad thinking this but not me?

[4nxi3ty]

not til you share which people have meaningful interactions with talah and/or more thoughts on others.

Thats for day 2 .
VOTE: Luca . Finish the day please .

iirc you just hammered <.< one updated townread and scumread from you before thread is locked would be nice

[ThAdmiral]

TheAdmiral, what occurred within the space of five minutes to change your opinion from this:

I know it's an unpopular position on this site but I'd literally rather no-lynch than lynch someone I think is town.

to this:

fuck it I'd rather talah stay around than luca

vote: luca

? Also, if you've read Talah's posts, he has made it clear he doesn't intent to 'stay around' even if he isn't lynched as he has apparently had enough of this game.

A lot of things but the tl;dr is I changed my mind.

I feel if talah lives to day 2 he will stay around.

You deserve a better explanation than that.

1) I'm not as bullish about you being town as I am with talah (although if I had to bet I would say you are probably town as well)
2) It is less about killing you than it is about saving talah

Basically I realized that while I could have stubbornly stuck to my guns I would rather have some say in who gets lynched after all.

Talah saying he and Luca are equally good lynches and then self voting despite being the smaller wagon is just ham and bad. Luca hasn't been selfvoting or otherwise saying hes a good lynch as far as I remember.

Stupid plays like this are stupid for either alignment, and I would say even more unlikely from scum.

Talah has had more meaningful interactions with other people . Analysing his wagon would be more useful than Luca on day2 . We have a good deal of information to go by from there on .

Just pointing out that this is scum bullshit.

OH FUCK YES A TRIPLE POST!!!

You've finally upgraded from mere double posts.

I hate the Luca wagon marginally less than the talah one. I thought there were a couple of people on aptil when I voted; apparently not.

Definitely plan on revisiting this tomorrow.

"Yo thad's scum for starting a counterwagon, lets start a counterwagon on thad"
???

I don't believe you actually think that is why we voted you.

Please do tell then.

Both Snork and I had expressed suspicion over you and had you in our scum tiers. It's naive to think that we'd just start a CW on you because you started one, and for some reason you don't strike me like the naive type.

That fake-interpretation of our actions was just a way to discredit our attempted CW on you because you present a silly hypocrite reason that was never given by us and ignore the actual reasons behind the vote.

I'm still waiting for these supposed actual reasons btw.

And don't try and pretend you didn't use the negative sentiment surrounding me because of my proposed counterwagon in an attempt to get a wagon started on me. Otherwise why vote me right then and not any time earlier in the day?

Aptil is a newb, who I have a decent ability to read.

And? He only has about 30 posts, so it shouldn't take long.

I know it's an unpopular position on this site but I'd literally rather no-lynch than lynch someone I think is town.

fuck it I'd rather talah stay around than luca

vote: luca

Lucy. You've got some 'splainin' to do.

See above.

Btw I really appreciate your anxiety read. Where the fuck were you earlier when we may have been able to push a lynch through on him?

[Plessiez]

It's day 1. Deadline for the day is March 28th, 21:59 UTC. That's (expired on 2014-03-28 17:59:48).

Vote Count 1.27 (Final)

Luca Blight [11 votes] (projectmatt, Damon_Gant, DeasVail, RachMarie, Yates, talah, ThAdmiral, SnowStorm, Nero Cain, penguin_alien, aptil)

[LYNCH]

talah [7 votes] (AngryPidgeon, PeregrineV, Luca Blight, Snork, Zdenek, 4nxi3ty, BipolarChemist)
Yates [1 vote] (pisskop)
Damon_Gant [1 vote] (mastin2)

Everyone is voting!

With

20

players alive it takes

11

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

mastin2 is V/LA until March 31st.

Flip/scene coming up.

[Plessiez]

(There are no hidden clues about the game in the flavour below.)

Everyone knew it now. Groups of murderers -- or possibly just one, nobody could be sure -- were living in secret somewhere in town, plotting to kill their neighbours. No mercy would be shown during the gruesome killing spree which would be beginning very soon.

True, nobody could point to much genuine evidence to justify this conviction. It just slowly seeped into the public consciousness somehow: evil people were out there. Lurking, plotting, thirsting for blood. The obvious solution seemed to be for the townsfolk to kill these people first.

No murders yet, of course. But it surely wouldn't be long now...

Luca Blight

has been lynched... ... he was

vanilla town

!

Night One begins now and will last (at least) 48 hours.

I am still searching for a replacement for pisskop. The 48 hour countdown for night actions will not start until I find one (at which point I will bump this thread).

However, if you're planning to take any night actions please send them in as soon as possible. Please also contact me to confirm if you're deliberately choosing to take no action.

[Plessiez]

TheWayItEnds replaces pisskop. There are 48 hours left for Night 1 as of this post.

Please send in all actions (or decisions to not act) within (expired on 2014-03-30 06:13:59).

[Plessiez]

(There are no hidden clues about the game in the flavour below.)

And so the day ended in disappointment. They had lynched an innocent. However, surely the day to come would surely result in a more positive outcome? At any rate, this was how the townsfolk attempted to console themselves as they waited for sunrise.

Some of them even allowed themselves to go further. Perhaps, they speculated privately, they had allowed themselves to worry needlessly. Perhaps everything was normal. Perhaps there were no murderers to fear at all. Perhaps the night would pass as peacefully as always, with no deaths and with --

-- and then the sound of gunshots shattered the nocturnal silence.

talah

has been shot dead ... ...he was

vanilla town

!
Zdenek

has been shot dead ... ...he was

vanilla town

!

Day Two begins now and will last (no more than) two weeks. You have (expired on 2014-04-13 15:45:32)

Vote count coming up...

[Plessiez]

It's day 2. Deadline for the day is 13th April, 15:45. That's (expired on 2014-04-13 15:45:32).

Vote Count 2.1

17 players are not voting

: {4nxi3ty, Angry Pidgeon, aptil, BipolarChemist, Damon_Gant, DeasVail, mastin2, Nero Cain, penguin_alien, PeregrineV, projectmatt, RachMarie, Snork, SnowStorm, ThAdmiral, TheWayItEnds, Yates}

With

17

players alive it takes

9

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

mastin2 is V/LA until March 31st.
PeregrineV is V/LA until March 31st.