Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

I'll be able to charismatically persuade people into following me

yeah that's worked out well for you so far

see: every time anybody has followed you on to anything this game

I can read players; I know what buttons to push

yeah that's also worked out well for you so far

[Skullduggery]

Dan/Neighbors: I know Nacho. He blazed last night with one or both of you. He wouldn't let himself die without doing analysis. So I want a full paraphrase of what happened last night, so that I can get Nacho's thoughts. Because I know his blazing and I know it's pretty dang good.

I think Gooner was allowed to directly quote something from the neighborhood earlier in the game, so I'll shoot Bork a PM asking if I can just quote what Nacho said last night.

In the meantime, to paraphrase: he made a couple posts demanding that Mollie talk to him, she made one post in response, and then Night ended. He wanted her to explain why she thought Muffin was Scum and why she said she wouldn't have bussed Flandre if they were Scum buddies. She responded by saying that she didn't like how Muffin had to work up a Scum read on her and then said that it makes no sense for Scum-Mollie to have hammered Flandre (hence why I asked her

why

that wouldn't make sense in 3590).

3 days ago I thought it was skull. But skull escaped the lynch. Was sad.

Have you come to your senses yet?

[mastin2]

Just realized a couple questions I can ask:

Mollie:

Not saying you're wrong about your scumread on zMuff, but if zMuff were to be town, who'd be your pick for scum?

zMuff:

Not saying you're wrong about your scumread on mollie, but if mollie were to be town, who'd be your pick for scum?

Skull:

Your Venmar scumread was wrong, so who's your pick for scum?

[Skullduggery]

I'll shoot Bork a PM asking if I can just quote what Nacho said last night.

Verdict: Negative. Hopefully the paraphrase is good enough. He basically just wanted to talk to Mollie but didn't get a chance to say more after she responded.

Skull: Your Venmar scumread was wrong, so who's your pick for scum?

Not quite sure yet. Mollie seems like the obvious choice, and if someone were to hold a gun to my head and tell me to vote right now, I would probably vote for her. However, I can't help but shake the feeling that our (probably-)last scumbag is keeping Mollie and Muffin alive so they'll spend all their time focusing on each other.

I'm starting to get paranoid about

you

, actually. If it's not Mollie, you're probably the next most likely candidate. It's true that I'm not familiar with your Scum game, but I do know that you try to avoid bussing whenever possible, so your hard defense of SSK could be indicative of that. My initial Town-read of you was primarily based on the way that Cephrir treated you, but I think yesterday's lynch has demonstrated that Cephrir's treatment of other players isn't quite enough to determine someone's alignment for certain. (Friggin' Cephrir messing with my head from beyond the grave...)

ActionDan is confirmed Town, Iecerint is almost-confirmed Town, and I just have a hard time seeing Pidgey or Muffin as Scum, all things considered. If I were to rank the remaining players in order of most likely to least likely, it would look like this:

Mollie
Mastin
Muffin
Pidgey
Iecerint
ActionDan

I want to chat a bit with Mollie first, though. Her stubbornness here reminds me of a certain other

(sexy and awesome)

Town player, so I want to make sure I'm not misreading Town doggedness as Scum posturing.

[zMuffinMan]

However, I can't help but shake the feeling that our (probably-)last scumbag is keeping Mollie and Muffin alive so they'll spend all their time focusing on each other

...

or, you know, they could be killing off the practically conf-town players because they need to? just a crazy theory - dunno if i'm right or wrong about this

zMuff: Not saying you're wrong about your scumread on mollie, but if mollie were to be town, who'd be your pick for scum?

dun no

[zMuffinMan]

She responded by saying that she didn't like how Muffin had to work up a Scum read on her

what's this mean, btw?

[Skullduggery]

Iecerint: Dan's right about the hypocrisy. Your posting this game has been lackluster. Bluntly, if there were two scum, you'd be my number one pick for a lynch simply because your slot has never been town and you've used the excuse of being conftown to not give any serious effort to this game.

What do you think the timing of Kaze's replace-out indicates about his alignment? I find it unlikely that Scum-Kaze would replace out of the game immediately after being cleared by the Jailkeeper --

especially

if he still had a partner out there who could help him ride that confirmed-Town status to the end.

However, I can't help but shake the feeling that our (probably-)last scumbag is keeping Mollie and Muffin alive so they'll spend all their time focusing on each other

...

or, you know, they could be killing off the practically conf-town players because they need to? just a crazy theory - dunno if i'm right or wrong about this

Sure, sure, but if you're Town, I would imagine that the Scum team would view you as a top kill priority. You're not going to be all modest and disagree, are you?

She responded by saying that she didn't like how Muffin had to work up a Scum read on her

what's this mean, btw?

I don't know; that's just what she said. I'm sure Mollie would be delighted to elaborate, though. Right, Mollie?

[zMuffinMan]

You're not going to be all modest and disagree, are you?

even if i would normally be a top kill priority (and i don't think i would be, coz my play has been pretty average lately), there is no way i would be in this game - pretty much all the kills (except the weird varsoon one) were kills of necessity

[Iecerint]

Iecerint:

Dan's right about the hypocrisy. Your posting this game has been lackluster. Bluntly, if there were two scum, you'd be my number one pick for a lynch simply because your slot has never been town and you've used the excuse of being conftown to not give any serious effort to this game. So stop slacking off. I KNOW you are capable of full-blown analysis, even in a game of this length. Give it.

1. Dan never actually said anything about hypocrisy?

2. I dunno what's up with this silly CAPS LOCK since you've played with me once in your life, I think? And you were lynched D1 or something? And it was like 2009?

[Iecerint]

Positing that Dan/sangres/Iec are all town, scum could have killed any of us fairly interchangeably AFAICT.

Given that, sangres death implicates pidgey. It tends to look good for muffin.

Of course, the fact that ActionDan did not post at all despite being all "omg i was such a venmar prophet" after the fact and that I am relying on cliffnotes of the threads is also sufficient to justify neither of us being the kill target, so.

[Iecerint]

Iecerint:

Dan's right about the hypocrisy. Your posting this game has been lackluster. Bluntly, if there were two scum, you'd be my number one pick for a lynch simply because your slot has never been town and you've used the excuse of being conftown to not give any serious effort to this game. So stop slacking off. I KNOW you are capable of full-blown analysis, even in a game of this length. Give it.

1. Dan never actually said anything about hypocrisy?

2. I dunno what's up with this silly CAPS LOCK since you've played with me once in your life, I think? And you were lynched D1 or something? And it was like 2009?

Also, I'm not the one who entered the thread with the totally obnoxious "omg guys i never posted but i was so right on venmar" or anything analogous, so it's not clear how you could agree with whatever hypocrisy you dreamed he was accusing me of.

[zMuffinMan]

Positing that Dan/sangres/Iec are all town, scum could have killed any of us fairly interchangeably AFAICT

not really. you're only technically confirmed if there's one scum left, and AD was only semi-confirmed prior to mason flip (theoretically, i could have seen reason for AD-scum to give an invention to sangres N1 for towncred as scum)

also, i probably would have defaulted to killing sangres if i were scum given both you and AD weren't doing much

[zMuffinMan]

also pretty sure mastin took AD's "heh" response (3589) as calling you a hypocrite

i thought that was him saying heh at the "thought to be confirmed town" part

[zMuffinMan]

i might do some reading tomorrow

[Iecerint]

Positing that Dan/sangres/Iec are all town, scum could have killed any of us fairly interchangeably AFAICT

not really. you're only technically confirmed if there's one scum left, and AD was only semi-confirmed prior to mason flip (theoretically, i could have seen reason for AD-scum to give an invention to sangres N1 for towncred as scum)

also, i probably would have defaulted to killing sangres if i were scum given both you and AD weren't doing much

1. "Posit" means what follows is only going to hold if whatever is in the "posit" clause is true.

I had thought that AD was purely "town" for being in the target cluster with scum D1; didn't know he had claimed something specific.

2. The part that you deleted from my quote is literally the exact same content as your "also" clause.

[Iecerint]

also pretty sure mastin took AD's "heh" response (3589) as calling you a hypocrite

If that is the case, then mastin does not know what it means to be a hypocrite.

Which is not out of the question, but it is kind of flirting with the borders of it.

[Iecerint]

2. The part that you deleted from my quote is literally the exact same content as your "also" clause.

Also it is frustrating to be like oh mastin is getting lazy and not showing critical reading while pretending to do it how interesting when non-mastins do the very same thing on the following page.

[zMuffinMan]

"Posit" means what follows is only going to hold if whatever is in the "posit" clause is true

that doesn't change anything i said

The part that you deleted from my quote is literally the exact same content as your "also" clause

so?

If that is the case, then mastin does not know what it means to be a hypocrite.

if mastin were right about what AD is implying, he'd be right about you being hypocritical

lso it is frustrating to be like oh mastin is getting lazy and not showing critical reading while pretending to do it how interesting when non-mastins do the very same thing on the following page.

you should see how much i care

[zMuffinMan]

like, really, you stupid piece of shit, if you're going to act like i lack critical reading skills, then i'm going to outright say you lack critical thinking skills

even if you posit that all three of you are town, everything i said about it was still true.

so instead of assuming i'm as dumb as you and didn't understand what you were saying, why don't you learn to fucking read?

[zMuffinMan]

and hey, even if mastin is wrong about AD calling you out for being

though

to be confirmed town but not actually doing shit, he's still right that this is what you are doing and so you really have no right to be all like, "hey AD, pick up your game!"

like, how stupid can you be, to think that something like 3587 is any better a contribution than not posting at all? or that anything you've said in this game is worth shit when you're not reading and your reads are borrowed from dead people. *clap* *clap*

don't get fucking uppity at people when you're a useless piece of shit, k?

[borkjerfkin]

Please tone down the personal attacks.

[ActionDan]

For the record heh was directed at thought to be confirmed town but choose because I was off put by the post.

[ActionDan]

Anyway let's all hug it out lots of bitterness from all parties

[pirate mollie]

@ skull

mebbe you look up how I feel about bussing and how I got into a postgame spat with regfan over it. I will try to link it later. sometimes you have to bus but you don't do it in stupid ways. I WISH I had more time to talk to nacho and I find it pretty FUCKING convenient that he was nked before I had a chance to more fully talk to him he was trying to sort me out

for fery

because fery was getting paranoid about we but we have an implicit understanding that we go through other people to deal with other so that it doesn't shit up the game. that is what nacho was doing, I guarantee it, cos that is what he has done for me. <--- you probably don't understand this but there a lot of people who do cos they have seen the fireworks.

also where did gooner quote from the neighborhood?

@ mastina

I don't like how skull is doing zero reevaluation after the venny lynch and is throwing suspicion my way when I am so *popular*. I still think it is muffina.

[zMuffinMan]

sometimes you have to bus but you don't do it in stupid ways

does hammering someone who virtually the entire game wanted dead falls under the category of "stupid ways"?