Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

how would hypothetical mollie-scum have handled the flandre lynch, given s/he was basically 100% going to be lynched at that point?

[pidgey]

Gonna post today in the afternoon

[Skullduggery]

mebbe you look up how I feel about bussing and how I got into a postgame spat with regfan over it. I will try to link it later. sometimes you have to bus but you don't do it in stupid ways.

You've said before that you don't like to bus your partners when you're Scum, but Nacho made a very interesting observation in the QT last night: you didn't actually

bus

Flandre -- all you did was hammer him. You didn't actively push for his removal from the game, which is kind of what bussing is.

The first time you even acknowledge Flandre's existence is 1282, where you state your intention to hammer him. In 1283 you avoid giving a firm opinion of him but say that you're okay with lynching him anyway. Still no strong opinion of him in 1400. You say in 1419 that you asked for a claim from Flandre (even though you never did -- at least, not in this thread, if you catch my drift), and then you hammer him in 1543. That is the full extent of your interactions with Flandre. Do you think that qualifies as "bussing"? Because I sure don't.

Also, I agree with Muffin. You don't really think that hammering obvious-Scum Flandre is bussing in a "stupid way," do you?

I WISH I had more time to talk to nacho and I find it pretty FUCKING convenient that he was nked before I had a chance to more fully talk to him he was trying to sort me out

for fery

because fery was getting paranoid about we but we have an implicit understanding that we go through other people to deal with other so that it doesn't shit up the game. that is what nacho was doing, I guarantee it, cos that is what he has done for me. <--- you probably don't understand this but there a lot of people who do cos they have seen the fireworks.

And yet, you didn't seem to have a problem talking to fferyllt on Night 4 or Night 5. Also, you had six friggin' nights to talk to Nacho in the neighborhood, so don't act like he was killed before you had a chance to have a substantial conversation with him.

I don't like how skull is doing zero reevaluation after the venny lynch and is throwing suspicion my way when I am so *popular*. I still think it is muffina.

"Zero reevaluation"? Really? I was wondering before whether you've been paying attention. Guess this answers my question.

Am I scummy for being suspicious of you? Is Pidgey equally scummy for "throwing suspicion" at you as well? Is it inconceivable for a Town player to be suspicious of you at this point in the game?

[zMuffinMan]

The first time you even acknowledge Flandre's existence is 1282, where you state your intention to hammer him. In 1283 you avoid giving a firm opinion of him but say that you're okay with lynching him anyway. Still no strong opinion of him in 1400. You say in 1419 that you asked for a claim from Flandre (even though you never did -- at least, not in this thread, if you catch my drift), and then you hammer him in 1543. That is the full extent of your interactions with Flandre. Do you think that qualifies as "bussing"? Because I sure don't.

ftr, i went over this before when i talked about mollie's lack of stances / reads on anyone or anything in this game - she tried to counter this by suggesting she did have strong stances on people (e.g. flandre), i pretty much quoted everything she said about flandre to prove her wrong, and she kinda went silent about it after that.

Spoiler:

for some reason, people keep calling you town

and their arguments seem to be something along the lines of, "oh, she did town things"

and when i point out that this is in fact wrong, no one seems able to come up with anything that you've done that's town.

you HAVEN'T had strong stances on anything this game except for POSSIBLY the aegor lynch and just recently your suspicion of me (funny coincidence i just noticed; both of these came after the person in question was suspicious of you). D1 your stances on things were non-existent apart from throwing town reads out here and there. D2, too short to really tell but nothing of note in your posts there. D3, same deal, which people should be paying more attention to given you had a weak/non-existent stance on the scum lynch that day, but whatever.

by and large, you've active lurked your way through the entire game (i don't know how much content you've posted in the neighbourhood, but your in-game play has basically consisted of providing as little content as possible, not making any waves, and coasting)

erm no

I have had strong stances in this game so who is lying now

I had suspicions on flandre but I was letting mac take d1 so he can could get into the game cos if I don't he never will. RL happened to him and I was sorry to lose him.

I have a point no matter how much you try to deny it.

I care. I want you lynched and your ceaseless rewriting history just confirms you as scum in my eyes.

but people will see the light. I believe.

I have had strong stances in this game so who is lying now

oh, yeah? like WHAT?

D1 who were you strongly pushing? who were you strongly defending? what strong stances on anything did you take?
D2?
D3?
D4 was the first thing that could be called a "strong" stance on anything, and that was you insisting aegor was scum because he was calling you scum
D5 you completely reversed your read on me and started calling me scum and that's as close to a strong stance as you've come this game but even here you're unwilling to really do anything about it

I had suspicions on flandre

OH, YEAH?

COZ CTRL+F OF YOUR ISO

BRINGS UP TWO QUOTES

What's your opinion of the Flandre wagon.

he isn't ringing any bells either way <---- I am learning to pay more attention to this so unless he comes in and towns it up I am fine with his lynch

1. ActionDan - town
2. Aegor - waffle
3. Angry Frat Bros (BROseidon + AngryPidgeon) - town but his last post and unresponse is weird
4. Gooner Brian Skies - unsure
5. Cabd - I feel is town.
6. Cephrir - town
7. Flandre Scarlet - unsure but mebbe leaning scum
8. Kagami - unsure
9. Kazekirimaru - town!
10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie) - town!!! \o/
11. MafiaSSK - town!
12. mastin2 - leaning town
13. Metal Sonic - he is being weird in this game in that his reads are fragmented.
14. orcinus_theoriginal - I simply don't know.
15. pieguyn - eh
16. sangres (fferyllt + Nachomamma8) - town even tho nacho is ignoring me!
17. Skullduggery - town town town
18. Varsoon - unsure
19. Venmar - unsure leaning town
20. zMuffinMan - TOWN

AND NO OTHER MENTIONS OF FLANDRE

STRONG FUCKING STANCE YOU WERE TAKING

I have a point no matter how much you try to deny it

clearly state what your "supposed" point/s is/are then

if you're unwilling to back any of your statements up, at least do this so i can utterly destroy you

[zMuffinMan]

Also, you had six friggin' nights to talk to Nacho in the neighborhood, so don't act like he was killed before you had a chance to have a substantial conversation with him.

well, six night and day phases isn't a lot of time and those evil scumbutts were obviously plotting against mollie by taking out sangres N6 so she couldn't have a back-and-forth with nacho!

it's also rather hilarious that what she said about how "convenient" it was that nacho was killed implies that scum have access to your QT or something, which implies that if she thinks i'm scum she must think there's another scum in your QT or something? or i dunno. getting upset about that is rather odd.

[Iecerint]

If Muffin seriously doesn't understand why it is scummy to selectively quote to make it seem like the poster is willfully ignoring important aspects of the situation, he should probably play a different game.

[zMuffinMan]

if iecerint can't read and doesn't understand that isn't what happened, he'd probably be dead if breathing weren't an automatic function that any idiot could do

[Iecerint]

Are you saying that you don't understand why it is scummy to quote people out of context to imply that they didn't say things that they did?

Or are you saying that you do not understand why town should not be scummy?

Are just kind of embarrassed for skimming my post and being called out about it?

Or are you just scum?

[zMuffinMan]

here, i'll walk you through it in baby steps so even you can understand it

you said that if all three of {you, AD, sangres} were town, scum could kill any of you interchangeably
i said no, that's not the case, because it was only really sangres who was confirmed town - nowhere did i suggest that all three of you weren't town, just that prior to last night, sangres was the only real conftown - i tacked onto this that i, personally, would have killed sangres over the other two even if it was interchangeable, because you suggested that as a

possibility

and i was reinforcing this
you then got upset and suggested i didn't know what you meant and complained about me deleting part of your quote
i loled

but here's the thing, your ENTIRE POST WAS POINTLESS because it MEANS NOTHING AT ALL IN REGARDS TO THE GAME and you're getting upset that i didn't quote a portion of it when i didn't respond

AH DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

literally surprised you're able to post on here when you're typically the kind of person i would think has more fun playing in traffic

[zMuffinMan]

like i read your entire post, your entire post was empty speculation, i was telling you my thought process in regards to it, the fact that you don't understand this means you were probably slapped on the head one too many times as a kid

[Iecerint]

It's interesting that you read my post, thought it was "empty speculation," and then regurgitated the exact same content while pretending that it was your original invention.

[zMuffinMan]

notice the usage of the word "i" after "also"

it implies what i would have done, not what others necessarily would have done

now how about you shut the fuck up and post something worth reading instead of using this as an excuse to pretend you're posting content

coz if mollie flipping scum doesn't end the game, i'm power-lynching the fuck out of you tomorrow

[Iecerint]

Vote: Muffin

[zMuffinMan]

like, you cannot be this fucking dumb

i literally explained why the whole premise of the post was flawed then explained why i would have killed sangres anyway even if it WEREN'T flawed

[Iecerint]

Please don't make me spend any more days with this person. Especially not lylo.

[zMuffinMan]

why aren't you commenting on anything in regards to mollie (or anything actually relevant to the game)?

[Iecerint]

I probably would have wanted to lynch either mollie or mastin today if you hadn't decided to be a dick.

[Iecerint]

But I've already indicated multiple times that I'm sheeping AP on mollie. Maybe you should read my useless posts more?

[zMuffinMan]

*clap* *clap*

you're a pretty good player

[zMuffinMan]

like, how stupid can you be, to think that something like 3587 is any better a contribution than not posting at all? or that anything you've said in this game is worth shit when you're not reading and your reads are borrowed from dead people. *clap* *clap*

[zMuffinMan]

no wait, i'm the one not reading

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Iecerint]

Let's please kill him before we have to kill him in lylo.

Maybe it will affect how he plays games in the future.

[zMuffinMan]

it won't

because i'm right

and you're a VI

[zMuffinMan]

isn't it going to be hilarious when mollie flips scum and we see just how bad you actually are at mafia?

[Iecerint]

I am not going to spend 24 hours of my life reading 130 pages. I've done it before; it's not happening in this game.

It is not my job to explain the game to you. It is your job to explain the game to me, to the extent that you think I do not have all the necessary pieces of the puzzle. This is doubly obvious when the objective probability of my being town-aligned is extremely high, and triply so when my relative ignorance about the content in the game makes me more likely to survive slightly longer.

Antagonizing me as you are doing does not make sense to me as a tactic regardless of your alignment.