Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Iecerint]

Though selective misreading/misquoting of my posts and discrediting does lead a certain way.

[Iecerint]

isn't it going to be hilarious when mollie flips scum and we see just how bad you actually are at mafia?

Why would that be hilarious?

[zMuffinMan]

antagonising you has nothing to do with my alignment, and everything to do with my opinion of your obviously low intelligence.

i could care less if you continue playing like a VI, doesn't bother me, i don't need to work with you when you're clearly not interested in reading the game

i've posted pages and pages of fucking evidence suggesting mollie is scum, mollie is blatantly lying about a lot of things, WHILE YOU'VE BEEN IN TEH FUCKING GAME, and you're ignoring it in favour of sheeping a dead player's read on mollie

so

how about you go back to road to rome and learn how to fucking play before you try playing a game like this?

[Iecerint]

What has mollie lied about?

[zMuffinMan]

holy shit

and i'm the one not reading posts

[zMuffinMan]

are you fucking kidding? did you read nothing in the last day phase?

[Iecerint]

You're the one framing posts as if they implied things other than they implied. That's the objectionable thing. The possibility that you simply didn't read the post is my tortured attempt to imagine a town player doing what you did.

There are plenty of posts in this game I've only skimmed, mostly if they were too long or used poor punctuation, etc.

I don't read most of mastin or mollie's posts, for example, outside of the topic sentences, unless I have a reason to (e.g., someone coherent said something about one of them, so I go back and review).

[Iecerint]

The main thing I remember about yesterday as far as mollie is concerned is that she lurked through it a lot.

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, even if you DIDN'T read 3628 on the previous page, where i quoted an example of mollie bullshitting, i even made a summary post of it in 3495 in regards to just her claims about me

[Iecerint]

I am incapable of reading anything you have posted this day phase from an objective perspective.

[Iecerint]

Also, since I know personally that you think it is OK to very flagrantly misquote me, I approach any quote-stripe thing you post about mollie with EXTREME skepticism.

This is why you probably shouldn't flagrantly misquote people.

[zMuffinMan]

you're very bad at this game if you think quote stripping means anything

like, very, very, very bad

and 3495 came YESTERDAY so you weren't reading shit that was happening during the last day phase either

[Iecerint]

3628 does look kind of legitimate, though. The idea is that mollie said she had strong feelings about flipped scum, but she did not post strong feelings about flipped scum. See how I summarized that in 1 sentence?

My main skepticism is that I am inclined at this point to suspect that you are misrepresenting mollie's history on the subject in some way, mainly because of what I posted about previously.

Why didn't this point come up way earlier than now (e.g., D2)?

[Iecerint]

3495 looks like bullshit, though.

[zMuffinMan]

because D2 lasted like 24 hours real time (i don't recall exactly but i remember posting only once or twice), D3 was dealing with mafiassk and the cabd watcher thing, and D4 i thought aegor made more sense as scum

also i can't _really_ make a case for mollie not having strong reads / stances off a single day phase when activity and/or other things could have played a factor, so why would i bring it up earlier?

[Iecerint]

Maybe that's why I only skimmed it.

[zMuffinMan]

why do you think it's bullshit? i literally broke down each and every one of her claims about me and showed why they were false

[Iecerint]

also i can't _really_ make a case for mollie not having strong reads / stances off a single day phase when activity and/or other things could have played a factor, so why would i bring it up earlier?

Then why are you bringing it up now...?

I don't think degree of consistency is a scumtell for mollie at all btw. That is not who she is. I would be inclined to find consistency scummy for her if anything. I find it kind of scummy that it looks like that is your main argument in 3495. (Do you dispute that this is your main argument in 3495?)

3628 is different only because it's consistency about flipped scum.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: That's why. But my immediate cognitive response was just "this is bullshit" and I didn't realize why I found it so ridiculous until I reflected on it after the fact.

[Iecerint]

Well, ridiculous is a strong word.

"Not relevant to helping me identify things about players in the game probably" is what I mean.

May also explain why it didn't make a strong impression on me to the extent that I read it.

I also found it amusing that you defended sheeping sangres in that post (which is more like what the word hypocrite ACTUALLY means). ^^~

[zMuffinMan]

Then why are you bringing it up now...?

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because i think she's scum?

i had a mild town read on her d1 when she was around and posting stuff, but after the end of D1 then D2/D3/D4 (especially after D4 when the SK died) i noticed she (a) hadn't been posting any worthwhile content, (b) hadn't been giving reads, and (c) hadn't been taking any stances on anything happening in the game (like mafiassk and the cabd thing D3)

like, D4 was perhaps the only time that i could have really brought it up earlier than i did, and i was focused on getting aegor lynched that day, soooooooooooooooooo what the fuck are you expecting here?

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, she gave a reads list d1, a rather weak reads list but still a reads list. then after that coasted through the game without showing any signs of how her reads were/weren't changing and not taking stances on things (like mafiassk D3)

[Iecerint]

If there is something that someone has done that is easily explained-away by something like activity level, I do not personally dwell on it because it is not very useful information.

It looks like you are dwelling on information that you simultaneously think (???) is easily explained-away by something like activity level. I do not understand that. I am asking about it because I want to understand it better.

If I do what you are doing, it is usually because I have identified the lynch target first and found reasons to lynch them second. This is usually because I am scum. I do not do it as town (unless I'm town and really know that that person is scum via night). But some people do do it as town (e.g., because they don't actually care about the evidence and just want to lynch the person they've scumread, or because they don't understand confirmation bias).

[Iecerint]

Like, I expected your answer to the original question to be something like "well, I didn't notice the interaction with flipped scum until later on when I was wondering about mollie after she lurked a lot" instead of "well, activity could maybe account for what I noticed, so I didn't really make a big thing about it."

[zMuffinMan]

no

i'm not saying that her play can be explained away by something like activity levels? it can't. you're confusing the scope of things

you asked why i didn't bring it up earlier. it's because it's something that's more noticeable over time. a body-of-work sort of thing that becomes more obvious the more time passes. so it's not really something you can point back at a single day phase and go, "ah ha!"

so when i say that there's a complete lack of strong reads / stances from her over the course of this game, it's from assessing her play over multiple days