Tales of You (Endgame)

[Mac]

[quot="Lord Business"]A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.[/quote]

A question I must pose
I've wondered all my days
But can you point to some posts
You feel support this little phrase?

[Titan]

Though now Mastin makes my cupcake vote feel dirty.

[Titan]

VOTE: mafiassk

even shinier!

[Titan]

VOTE: mastinssk

[The Fox and the Hound]

OMG. Mastin drew scum again?

What makes you think so? I don't know the difference, I just know that those posts would come off as scummy to me in a void/if I was naive wrt to the player behind them.

I would like as detailed an answer as you're willing to put the time into giving, and I will read games if I have to.

[Mac]

My manual replying skills
They are not so great

@Mod

, would you be so kind
To fix that little state?

[Titan]

OMG. Mastin drew scum again?

What makes you think so? I don't know the difference, I just know that those posts would come off as scummy to me in a void/if I was naive wrt to the player behind them.

I would like as detailed an answer as you're willing to put the time into giving, and I will read games if I have to.

Which posts would come off scummy? My posts or Mastin's posts?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Mastin's.

[mastin2]

I actually think you're town.

Well, duh. That's 'cause you're scum and they're not on your team!

(Non-arrogant answer: They've already made themselves obvtown.)

I don't really get his entrance about RVS voting when at the time we were out of RVS.

Eh, it looks vaguely townish.

And no I'm not omgusing before anyone accuses me of that BS. But I do not believe for one second Town!Mastin makes those posts. I just don't.

Uh-huh. Sure you aren't. Sure you believe it.

My meds apparently aren't quite as effective as they're supposed to be, because bluntly, there's an extreme feeling that doesn't even feel like arrogance that both SSK and I, separately, are obvtown in our own ways. And that it seriously can't be more obvious.

[Mac]

And no I'm not omgusing before anyone accuses me of that BS. But I do not believe for one second Town!Mastin makes those posts. I just don't.

Tammy, I feel you may be town
But this has made me frown.
Why does this series of mastin posts
Come more from scum than town?

[mastin2]

(Admittedly, my posting has a flaw:
Slightly too many scumspects. Gimme a sec to sort 'em.)

[mastin2]

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
^Already obvtown.

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
^Thinking scum. (Not absolutely sure.)

3 Yukari Yakumo
^I'm just gonna say POE town 'cause screw it, too many scumspects.

4 orcinus_theoriginal
^Let's just call him town for the heck of it.

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
^Not feeling the townness.

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
^Certainly feeling the townness.

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
^Also feeling townness. Strength yet to be determined.

9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
^Heck if I know, but let's just assume town for the time being.

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
^Could be scum, quite easily.

11 Lord Business
^AP Alt. (But town.)

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
^Eh, need more for surez, but an apt title; they're probably town so I'll probably be sheeping them.

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
^Probably my strongest townread.

14 Cupcake Panda
^Scumread, strength to be determined.

15 PeregrineV
^Vaguely townish.

16 Clyton
^Vaguely scummish.

17 Mac
^Decently town, but not strongly so.

I'll see about making a list later. (Am multitasking quite severely.)

[mastin2]

Yep, five scumreads. Four

might

be possible (especially given a stronger town, which I can already tell we have), but five? Heck no; I need one or two less.

Fox/Titan/Carbon are stronger reads than Cupcake/Clyton.

[Titan]

Okay well to start. He over explained how he lost and didn't have the password to his hydra. Those things happen, why the need for the explanation?

Then he lets us know he did, in fact, get his role pm. I'm not sure why that pinged me, but it did.

His response to CarbonFiber that if he didn't see SSK was town then he's scum because he knew SSK was town before he got his role pm. Read off.

His comment on Arthur's obvious joke and self-vote being scummy is lolwtf. Then he called my post confrontational with Nacho and Bork. I wasn't partaking in friendly banter, nor was I pretending to. I wasn't even scum hunting them in that post or being confrontational, nor was I pretending to. It was a simple request or a plea for them to make the alignment of their slot clear so I wouldn't spend my time worrying about them. That he misinterpreted that looks willful, even more so than Lord Business, who doesn't know that we play together often and so there might be a reason why I want to not have to worry about them. He was in Tales of Vesperia too, in which I mislynched Nacho due to incorrectly reading him until it was too late to do anything about it and there were several head butts between Bork's hydra and I until I recognized that they were in fact the vig who's shot I controlled.

He then says he won't even take Nacho's word for his read on me based on me saying Nacho will recognize I'm town from my first post. I don't think for one second that he disrespects Nacho's ability in mafia so much that he thinks that Nacho would be swayed by me saying he'll see I'm town from my first post and call me town if he didn't feel it. I mean you only have to look at Too Many Heads to see that Nacho would absolutely come after me if he thought I was scum. He's pretty much the second best person able to read me on this site, and sure I can fool him sometimes for a little while, but it's not from me saying he'll read me as town from my first post. He'll read me as town from my first post because he'll probably recognize the tone there and he'll just be even more convinced as the game goes on. And I don't believe for one second that he actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. He's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that. So, it's complete BS.

His reads don't feel real.

MAC - He doesn't feel like he's actually trying to figure out the game though he feels like he's posturing the game. The reason why I said it's not omgus because in the last game, in which he was in!, the entire scum team came after me and when I identified their motivations as scum motivation they discredited me by saying that I was just omgusing.

[mastin2]

(And, yes. Fully aware of the arrogance. I don't know why. That's the thing my current medication is specifically meant to counter. But it's there all the same. That feeling that, yes. I'm on the right track. In spite of the fact that all logic says "stop being so arrogant", there's that

feeling

that I'm actually not wrong on these. Of course I'm not flipping the switch, though.)

[Titan]

Sorry to disappoint you, but there's not a scum team on it and no one here will buy it either, so you might want to rethink who you're going to push this game

[Lord Business]

A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.

A question I must pose
I've wondered all my days
But can you point to some posts
You feel support this little phrase?

Do you have a post restriction?

OBLIGATORY NO FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE
THIS GAME SEEMS FLAVOR INTENSIVE THOUGH GG NO RE

ALSO WTF ISNT COPPER A STEALTH HYDRA AS IS??!?!

TOO MANY HYDRAS THIS GAME

THOUGH D1 IS EASY

VOTE: JUS

LYNCH THIS SLOT D1
PROBABLY SCUM
AT WORST WE GET RID OF AN ANTITOWN SLOT

SHEEP GIVEN IF READS ARE SOCIO-ACCURATE.

Those are some complicated sample PMs.

Bold the setup and theme talk.
Two posts in the entire game and almost all the text is on it. One caps locked vote and the reason tacked to that is vague and seems designed to be easily written off as ridiculous during RVS.

Or was this not what you were asking?

@ Titan. It was apparent the response from you to me came from different people, but you haven't actually addressed why one of you chose to panic post and declare a need to lynch me and then one of you came in with what appeared to be a an attempt to respond to my issues, albeit in a belittling fashion.

[Titan]

*with me on it

[Clyton]

VOTE: Clyton

VOTE: Clyton

That's Nati's schtick. We don't need two egotistical self-voters in the same game.

And

I

clearly don't need a shiny Gyarados because his worth as a Pokemon is simply outclassed by other Pokemons.

*Insert something RVS worthy*

At least you gave me a reason wannabe dragon, so I ain't doubting that; be proud of your actions. Hand me some rum, and maybe I'll consider looking at you in a different... light, like how the horrid stench of Rancid's charisma overwhelmed me and me senses. But to the peasant sheep without a reason, I will also give no reason for my no response. Their vote in vain, no pressure gained.

/End JnG because mastin2 has clearly forced my hand in this game.

Maybe a simple read, but I have no intentions of changing your views directly. I will let all of my following posts hereon after this to show the masses of how they view me, lest I fall behind and I find myself needing more time for my crucial examinations.

NTS: Post haste!

[Lord Business]

What's an AP alt btw?

[Titan]

@ Titan. It was apparent the response from you to me came from different people, but you haven't actually addressed why one of you chose to panic post and declare a need to lynch me and then one of you came in with what appeared to be a an attempt to respond to my issues, albeit in a belittling fashion.

Arthur did talk about that. He was being aggressive with you in hopes that your response would provoke a response in me. (People are not nice and think that my reactions are funny, and I tend to get really obviously town the more frustrated I am.)

That wasn't even a belittling fashion. You were hyperbolic in your statement and it was odd. I get that you don't know the interrelationships here, but it still felt like an odd response to me needing a player slot to town themselves so I wouldn't have to worry about them.

[The Fox and the Hound]

His comment on Arthur's obvious joke and self-vote being scummy is lolwtf. Then he called my post confrontational with Nacho and Bork. I wasn't partaking in friendly banter, nor was I pretending to. I wasn't even scum hunting them in that post or being confrontational, nor was I pretending to. It was a simple request or a plea for them to make the alignment of their slot clear so I wouldn't spend my time worrying about them. That he misinterpreted that looks willful, even more so than Lord Business, who doesn't know that we play together often and so there might be a reason why I want to not have to worry about them. He was in Tales of Vesperia too, in which I mislynched Nacho due to incorrectly reading him until it was too late to do anything about it and there were several head butts between Bork's hydra and I until I recognized that they were in fact the vig who's shot I controlled.

This is a good point. From someone who seems to be so interested in/obsessed with 'tone' (which by the way is a really mercurial idea at this point, what do you even mean by that mastin?), to boot. I'm not sure how anyone could read your vote there as serious, nevermind someone even peripherally aware of the way you play mafia.

He then says he won't even take Nacho's word for his read on me based on me saying Nacho will recognize I'm town from my first post. I don't think for one second that he disrespects Nacho's ability in mafia so much that he thinks that Nacho would be swayed by me saying he'll see I'm town from my first post and call me town if he didn't feel it. I mean you only have to look at Too Many Heads to see that Nacho would absolutely come after me if he thought I was scum. He's pretty much the second best person able to read me on this site, and sure I can fool him sometimes for a little while, but it's not from me saying he'll read me as town from my first post. He'll read me as town from my first post because he'll probably recognize the tone there and he'll just be even more convinced as the game goes on. And I don't believe for one second that he actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. He's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that. So, it's complete BS.

And mastin was in that game, too. ;_;
Although I know from Red Wine that you can play a mean scumgame when you want to, I can't help but think we're not going to see this happen this game.

His reads don't feel real.

This is the biggest issue for me. I don't think I could tell the difference between what Mastin just did and what he might have done if he was told who to suspect by a random number generator. I can't follow her logic because she has not provided any and does not appear to think this is something that is expected of her. It's like I'm playing mafia and she's playing fucking bingo or something.

[mastin2]

Then she lets us know she did, in fact, get her role pm.

I asked for it specifically.

Her response to CarbonFiber that if he didn't see SSK was town then he's scum because she knew SSK was town before she got her role pm.

Yep! I could tell our slot was town before I got the PM. Asking for the PM was basically just a formality,

just

in case we were actually scum. (Playing blind as scum is extremely frowned upon. So

just

in case I was wrong, I needed it.)

Then he called my post confrontational with Nacho and Bork.

Because it was confrontational. You were confronting him. That's what the word means. It was the very LACK of friendly banter that set off the alarm bell. Like...I know you play with Nacho a lot. But your response? Wasn't the type of...whimsy?...I'd expect from town-not-knowing-alignment; it seems like scum-wanting-to-make-good-impression. Specifically BECAUSE Nacho'd expect it. Like...that same post made with a different tone/approach/angle would be town, but the way you did it felt...

off

.

I don't think for one second that she disrespects Nacho's ability in mafia so much that she thinks that Nacho would be swayed by me saying he'll see I'm town from my first post and call me town if he didn't feel it.

Not exactly sure I understand, but basically...yes? I respect Nacho's abilities. I don't think him townreading you would be the correct read, in spite of his otherwise-accuracy in reading players.

And I don't believe for one second that she actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. She's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that.

Except past games with you is specifically why that post pinged me. It didn't feel like Tammy-town. At all.

[Lord Business]

It's not how it came across. It felt like holding them to ransom to prove themselves to you. And let's face it, it's day 1, at this stage no one should be in a position to elevate themselves above others and be able to demand town proof.

But I am getting to understand there is history here that I am not party to.

[Lord Business]

That was to Titan.