NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Nero Cain]

?????????

What the hell do you like all the sudden?

[Snork]

Re-read your ISO. Changed my mind.

[Snork]

I'm actually going to stop posting while I'm working cuz I don't have the time to go back and find what it was, and I just seem to get myself into dumb arguments over that.

I'll be back later with my reasoning for the updates to my reads list.

[RachMarie]

His play in that game was similar to the play in this game but I was not able to talk about it.

Of the two wagons I felt Luca was more likely to be scum. I really did not see Talah as scum. And no I am not guilty about my vote. I know that in the process (especially early on), that we will end up mislynching townies whilst trying to find scum. It is part of the game. I have often been mislynched usually on D 1, and yet we went on to win the game.

[Snork]

His play in that game was similar to the play in this game but I was not able to talk about it.

Right. So, in

that

game, he was a cleared player, and as the town cop had already flipped, and you immediately voted the remaining player in LYLO there, you had no reason to believe Luca was scum. She was playing similarly here as she was there, yet here you voted her because you thought she was scum, even though she was playing the same as there, where she was a cleared player.


....

Why would you vote a player you thought was town? She was playing similarly, wasn't she? And she was cleared in that game, correct? Yet you voted her here...

...

Am I the only one who has a problem with this?

[RachMarie]

Snork I totally get you and I understand this is the first time you have played with me. Who will you look at when I flip town though?

(IC Comment though this is not a Newbie game) Keep playing you will learn more as time goes on. You have good instincts and post actively and I think you will make a good Mafia player.


I think Nero is town, I am seeing more of the snarky side of him in the game.

I have a town read on AP as well.

Aptil's claim moves him off my leaning scum pile. It makes sense too often PRs are seen as scummy since they often hang back concerned about scum wanting to NK them.

Starting to see what I needed from Mastin. I can put him in the town pile too.

Nero PA just started posted I forgot she replaced MR. Given a bit more time I should be able to peg her. I have seen her as both town and scum in games I have played, plus she was in a game or two that I modded as well.

More later I have a doc apt shortly and have to get ready.


PEDIT
The only reason I thought Luca was not scum in that game was the cop clear you missed that part. Jake jumped on me for my first post before rereading things where I had included Luca in my post. My feeling was he was scum until I reread and saw the cop clear. Had the cop played correctly I would have waited to vote, and voted Luca.

[Snork]

RIGHT. So Luca was "clear", playing similarly as here,

and yet you still voted!!

Please do not treat me like I am stupid or like I don't know how to play this game.

Read my posts. I did not "miss" that Luca was falsely cleared.

In fact, I read the entire last two days of that game.

So I know that despite Luca essentially being a town player there, and playing similarly here,

YOU STILL VOTED HER HERE

.

[Snork]

What you are saying IS A LIE and MAKES NO SENSE.

It does NOT explain why you voted. It does NOT justify your mysterious switch to Luca from Talah. It does NOT excuse your terrible scummy posts.

[Snork]

And IF you flip town, you'll be the first to join my blacklist.

[AngryPidgeon]

Uhhhhhhhh. RM had a scumread on Luca in a newbie game. She thought he was playing the same here? She votes him?

I mean as far as reasons to vote someone go, thats weak, but I dont see how its as egregious as you are making it out to be.

[RachMarie]

He had no cop clear here so I was able to go with my gut it is that simple.

[RachMarie]

AP cut him some slack he is a newbie and this is most definitely quite a list to start playing Mafia with. I would be more concerned if he did not suspect me at this point.

[AngryPidgeon]

This IS me cutting slack.

Cases that involve "Player X lied -> they are scum" are typically wrong and often from scum.

[Snork]

Uhhhhhhhh. RM had a scumread on Luca in a newbie game. She thought he was playing the same here? She votes him?

I mean as far as reasons to vote someone go, thats weak, but I dont see how its as egregious as you are making it out to be.

Read what she said again. Luca was "cleared" by the town cop, who died before LYLO, flipped town cop. RM had

zero reason to believe at the time of her vote in this game

that Luca

in the Newbie game

was actually scum. In fact, she believed the cop clear so much, that she immediately voted the other player in LYLO. It only came up AFTER she voted Luca

HERE

that the cop was a newbie who

lied about his result

and Luca ended up being scum.

This happened AFTER the vote on Luca in THIS game.

At the time of her vote IN THIS GAME, Luca was CLEARED in the Newbie game. Luca was PLAYING SIMILARLY THERE AND HERE. Rach thought Luca was TOWN in the Newbie. Rach then VOTED LUCA HERE.

She is claiming that the reason she voted Luca here is because she was playing similarly there, EVEN THOUGH SHE THOUGHT LUCA WAS FUCKING TOWN THERE.

SO CONVINCED, SHE VOTED THE OTHER PERSON IN 3P LYLO

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p-edit:

1) I am not a fucking newbie TYVM. So fuck off trying to discredit my reads.

2) I am not scumreading her for lying. I am scumreading her for trying to use a NON-REASON to justify her shitty hop onto the Luca wagon yesterday UNPROMPTED.

[RachMarie]

If you are not a Newbie then you are an Alt. Because you have only been on site for about 2 weeks based on your start date.

[AngryPidgeon]

*Makes a post trying to prove that RM lied*
*IM NOT SCUMRADING HER FOR LYING*
You can call it unprompted but she definitely got flak for it at least Yesterday. You really ARE arguing that shes lying for this point to be valid. I could see town-RM actually voting Luca for this reason (even if its bad) and then explaining it after shes allowed to. Its actually a pretty big reach for scum to cook up this defense IMO. If shes town, then she really did vote Luca for that reason and she COULDN'T explain it until now so you scumreading her over this is circular logic at best.

[RachMarie]

I went into that LYLO with the intention of checking on BOTH players. My gut was screaming Luca was scum. I only voted Jake AFTER I reread the ISO of Burn 209. Who lied about his cop clear.

Meanwhile getting back to this game.

When I get back from my doc apt will take a look at the VC from yesterday and see if I can peg more peeps.

[Snork]

You mentioned it twice. What relevance does my join date have here? You have no idea what my experience with mafia is, and it is irrelevant to the point being made.

Bringing it up only serves one purpose: to distract from the inquiry at hand, which is that your "reason" for voting Luca yesterday is complete and utter bullshit. It's an attempt to mask the scum motivation behind what you did.

You weren't even asked about it! You just volunteered this reasoning.

Never mind that it makes no fucking sense.

Never mind that the vote itself was fucking scummy.

Never mind that you have contributed FUCK ALL.

Never mind that you have done ZERO SCUM HUNTING.

p-edt:

[AngryPidgeon]

And its not like moving from Talah to Luca was explicitly scum motivated in the first place given that they were both town. If Talah was scum and Luca was town I could understand leaning towards seeing scum-motive behind the votehop rather than it just being from town, but what?

Why would RM, as scum, move her vote from one town to another for no reasons and then lie about it later? I mean I GUESS its possible, but it seems really unlikely?

[Snork]

No no.

You're right AP.

RM is totally clean.

Cuz you've looked her ISO and she comes up completely townie, right?

She's your top town read?

Like BPC is your top scum read?

FUCKING OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE. If you don't agree with me, so be it.

But at the very least, do me the courtesy of checking into what the fuck I'm saying.

What a fucking waste of time.

Like this is a fucking no brainer.

[Snork]

Like what the fuck are you even saying AP.

Two wagons on town battling towards deadline. Where do scum put their votes?

You just answer that question.

You just fucking think about it yourself and stop asking me because apparently I'm the newbie that is fucking blind and thinks all these stupid things.

I'm the fucking newbie lol... who is scumreading the towniest town to ever town in this game

Don't fucking bother asking me AP.

I explain it as clear as fucking day and it's like banging my head against a goddamn brick wall. I am fucking tired of that.

[RachMarie]

He is tunneling me AP, but he is probably town as well.

Snork
Experience on other sites is not the same, we do things a tad differently here. So I go by the join date unless I know someone is an alt.

Ok I have to fly now and get ready to see my doc more later.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cuz you've looked her ISO and she comes up completely townie, right?

So any opinion I have on RM is invalid because I haven't ISO'd her, ya - no.
I dont want to lynch her right now, I have her leaning town after recent posts. I won't argue that shes contributed less than Id like, but thats not really a tell for RM - or in general. Nothing shes done points to her being scum. Her reason for voting Luca is really in the so-bizarre-its-probably-town camp right now so Im leaning town on her. There are bigger fish to fry today than RM.

[Snork]

AngryPigeon.



You


are fucking infuriating.

[AngryPidgeon]

Like what the fuck are you even saying AP.

Two wagons on town battling towards deadline. Where do scum put their votes?

You just answer that question.

You just fucking think about it yourself and stop asking me because apparently I'm the newbie that is fucking blind and thinks all these stupid things.

I'm the fucking newbie lol... who is scumreading the towniest town to ever town in this game

Don't fucking bother asking me AP.

I explain it as clear as fucking day and it's like banging my head against a goddamn brick wall. I am fucking tired of that.

What the actual fuck. Like earlier this morning you are all "Woe is me, Im so insecure, Im gonna take a break" and now you are so fucking pissed that people won't lynch RM that you're cussing me out over defending her? I mean for fucks sake.

Where do scum put their votes? I DONT KNOW, ANYWHERE? Two townies are getting lynched, so why is RM unvoting one townie to vote the other a TELL. IIRC she wasnt the only person to do it (Zdenek?). There was probably at least a scum on both wagons and plausibly one off. This one votehop is not a gamecracking scumtell of epic proportions.

I never called you a newb. Your argument is that the vote hop is from scum and shes trying to justify it with bullshit.
1) WHAT IS THE OBVIOUS SCUM MOTIVE FOR THE VOTE HOP. THERE IS NONE.
2) HER REASONING -COULD- MAKE SENSE FROM TOWN, I DONT SEE ANY REASON TO ASSUME SHES LYING?