Tales of You (Endgame)

[Mac]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

Why the Christ would we vote Orci? For saying hi with a vote? That's not weird.

Yukari's lack of engagement, however, is.

Both heads agreed on our vote before it was cast.

Pedit : jinx

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I'm not sure about the timing you're asking about here. We exchanged a few comments before your 87, and I think it's evident in my posts before 87 that I hadn't nailed down a town read prior to that.

Nah I'm not objecting to that - that's what I would expect from town-you.

I'm having trouble articulating what I want to say here - I couldn't really tell if you were saying "If I were scum there were plenty of other reasons to call you town (either before or after 87 because the posts are clearly there) that were easier to point at" (fine) or "If I were scum I know I'd have found something else to call you town about (because I actually already know that you're town)" (not fine because that would not be an actual sorting of my slot)

Hence my question about how you got to where you did with us besides 87.

-b

Have I answered this well enough then?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

Why the Christ would we vote Orci? For saying hi with a vote? That's not weird.

Yukari's lack of engagement, however, is.

Both heads agreed on our vote before it was cast.

Pedit : jinx

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

It's engaging you.

There's a reason I like reverse trajectories.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

btw what happened to your post restriction?

[Kagura]

Have I answered this well enough then?

Yeah. It occurs to me that your response in #404 is potentially colored by your reaction to my posts since #87 and not necessarily just limited to what you were feeling at the time you read #87 initially.

Overall it doesn't really help me a whole lot, though.

-b

[Breakfast With Sandy]

It was, and in our convo since, you've given me enough cues about what was bothering you/what you were looking for that my reactions are probably less indicative as the discussion progressed.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

Context is relevant. My impression is that Orci and Ffery know each other well enough for a "hi" vote to be normal. Apparently Ffery thought it through in more depth than I did, though.

A naked vote from a stranger would have caused me to look askance, but I'm not seeing Orci as out of the ordinary right no.

[Mac]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

Why the Christ would we vote Orci? For saying hi with a vote? That's not weird.

Yukari's lack of engagement, however, is.

Both heads agreed on our vote before it was cast.

Pedit : jinx

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

It's engaging you.

There's a reason I like reverse trajectories.

Meh, I guess.

There is no post restriction. Or is there?

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I remember grilling Tammy
She was in quite the fright
I assume she towned it up
Which was the goal of the night

unvote

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I had it all wrong
muffin taught me how
I never really sang the siren's song
my lyrics still make people say ow

[CarbonFiber]

I think

Mac

is town from a re-read of the thread. I like his initial engagement with the game and the way he meta-dived FourTrouble in Post 67 while discussing the read with zMuffinman. I like his picking up on how FT is more aggressive as scum. I initially wondered why he didn't just wait for FT to make more posts but I can see the impatience from a town POV as well. Looking through how Mac discusses reads as scum, in Post 25 of Mini 1525, the first Tales game, he says thanks and puts it aside saying he will check the meta later. I also liked the actual difference he picked up regarding FT's opening tone. I usually read FT based on his openings so I think Mac is going about it in a productive way. ffery, do you agree with my assessment that Mac is playing more to his town meta. You played with him in the first Tales game and in AA:MFA when he was scum and town respectively.

My townread on

RedGyarados

is solidified after looking through his towngames to see that early and easy townreads are not features of his towngame and are at worst null. The rest of his play feels very transparently town.

Town (Strong -> Weak)

: Titan, Red Gyarados, Lord Business, The Fox and the Hound, Mac

Spoiler:

TOWN:
1 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
2 Lord Business
3 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
4 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
5 Mac

EVERYONE ELSE:
6 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
7 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
8 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
10 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
11 GuyInFreezer
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Cupcake Panda
14 PeregrineV
15 Clyton
16 orcinus_theoriginal

~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

EDIT:
*early and easy townreads ARE present in NotScience's towngame so it is not something to be concerned about.

~ F-16

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ffery, do you agree with my assessment that Mac is playing more to his town meta. You played with him in the first Tales game and in AA:MFA when he was scum and town respectively.

I've played with Mac in several games. The first Tales game, especially his early game was a scary-good scum game. I suspected the other two scum but had him quite high in my town list while I was alive.

He's in my town pile. With a few footnotes.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: CarbonFiber

-muffin

[CarbonFiber]

@ ffery, okay.

@ Muffin, why?

~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

Ugh, pedit, I meant at Nati.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

That post
it blows
four lines
make this flow

[CarbonFiber]

What didn't you like about it?
~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

Also Tammy, I am on page 5 of my tenth? re-read and obsessively re-reading is a massive, massive towntell for me and I hope you of everyone here will notice that and see how fucking town I am so I can work with you and make this the best damn game I've ever played in my two years of playing mafia.

~ F-16

[Mac]

Something doesn't sit right with me about 436. Perhaps it's the repetition of the same point twice, but I've spent about 10 minutes trying to decide if it's coming from a town PoV or scum, and as of yet, I'm undecided.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Hey F-16 why aren't you taking in the whole game? You seem pretty focused on what Tammy thinks of you.

[CarbonFiber]

I have been assessing the game as a whole and trying to get reads on as many players as I can. I've got five solid townreads and narrowed down scum to four of the remaining eleven. I need Tammy to read me as town so I can effectively consolidate townreads and POE the scum. It is somewhat difficult to do that when your strongest townreads think that you are scum. Also, if you look at the Pick Your Poison game we played, working with Tammy is an easy and effective way to wreck scumteams, and she is easy to work with and scumhunt with one of the few players besides Nacho who I expect to read me correctly even while others struggle to read me. Z-Mafia is another example although I'll say that game was won mostly due to Nacho.
~ F-16

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I dunno. After NY 169 I guess I thought you'd make sorting/comparing notes with me more of a priority.

[CarbonFiber]

I have been doing that even while I haven't developed a townread on you, for instance asking what you thought of Mac.

I am curious though what did you find notable in NY169 in particular that would make it a priority for me? I'd probably want to compare notes even without considering NY169.

~ F-16

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I think as I pointed out in that game, it was the first game we've played where I actually had to figure out your alignment. For whatever reason you did make getting a read on me nailed down in that game something of of a priority to the point of faking or exaggerating a scum meta-read as a reaction test, but there was no question that your stake in the ground was Tammy.