Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Skullduggery]

I would ask you to point out where I've been obtuse, but I know you won't because you can't.

[pirate mollie]

okay

[Iecerint]

Okay, ActionDan, one more question for you. Do you know for certain that Mollie received an invention from AFB or was 3155 just speculation? The answer to this question will be helpful in determining Mollie's alignment.

This isn't a "gotcha" with the wording or whatever. I am just making sure I did not miss anything substantive about what you said.

I'm pretty sure I did summarize the mechanism of him hindering you that you stipulated, so I guess it's basically accurate.

I suppose from another Townie's perspective, it could still be possible for SSK and I to be partners, but it would require you to assume that SSK was clumsy enough to make such a colossally short-sighted decision and the Scum team completely failed to plan ahead for when SSK would inevitably have to reveal his Track targets. Possible, sure, but so unlikely that it isn't even worth serious consideration.

What do you mean by "would eventually have to reveal"? As I understand it, SSK claimed to have tracked you going nowhere N2 (after giving accurate tracking information about someone N1).

[Skullduggery]

The fact that he revealed his Track targets on Day 3 so readily leads me to believe that he planned ahead of time to use his role and night results to get out of trouble.

He shared his Tracker results on Sangres and I in the same post (2064). The only reason his Night 1 action is confirmed while his Night 2 action isn't confirmed is because Cabd saw SSK performing an action on Sangres on Night 1.

Once again, I refer you back to 3516. If anyone wants to argue that Scenario #3 doesn't make the most sense, I'm all ears. I think he really did track me on Night 2 and saw me going nowhere. I dunno, maybe he thought I was a PR or something.

[Iecerint]

I'm not arguing that anything doesn't make sense or does make sense; I'm just making sure I understand the words you are using.

Since SSK did reveal his targets, what do you mean by "would eventually have to reveal"?

I am confused because it seems like he DID in fact reveal his targets.

The reason I am asking for clarification is that I do not understand what you mean and I want to understand what you mean.

FWIW I think it is likely that he claimed a real result on you, especially if Cabd claimed to have seem SSK subsequent to SSK claiming his targets.

(Why didn't SSK get a pass, anyway? A confirmed-ish tracker would normally get a comfy pass.)

[zMuffinMan]

coz i pushed his lynch through - but ask mollie, i was BuSsInG

or something

[zMuffinMan]

actually going back and reading how the mafiassk lynch happened is probably a good idea

[zMuffinMan]

I would ask you to point out where I've been obtuse, but I know you won't because you can't.

the story of mollie's play this game

[Iecerint]

Unless Cabd was lying about his Night 1 results for whatever reason, we know that Pieguy protected Sangres on the same night that ActionDan and SSK performed an action on Sangres. Pieguy was one-shot Bulletproof, which means that one of those two tried to kill Sangres on Night 1.

It looks like this was the reason. I forgot that SSK didn't actually track sangres. ell, he may have, I guess, but the assumption that he DIDN'T is what makes ActionDan probTown rather than confScum. The only way it wouldn't make Dan confScum is if pie got killed twice N2. (Though SSK's track is pretty wasted on a target that's about to die, anyway; it's not impressive to claim tracks on dead players after the fact, especially the same night as their death.)

I guess there was just an inference in there somewhere that the game had a vig/SK/alternafaction as the missing piece of the logic puzzle.

[Iecerint]

Ap has served his purpose. I can confirm in fact that both inventions have indeed landed. (Clearly I got the first d1). But who has the 2nd?. It is a mystery

Mollie how's the invention treating you? I expect a cop report in your next post

I didn't get an invention

???

[Iecerint]

My reason to protect FS from the lynch has vanished mysteriously

?

[Iecerint]

Activate Code: Beta Epsilon Delta Omicron

Alright for better or worse

##Vote Kagami

I have no idea what'll happen but I hope it's good despite the warnings.

@AP: er, I haven't read into him too much this game tbh. his alignment is undefined. for now.

???

[Iecerint]

Skimming Dan's iso is pretty fun.

I am a little confused about how Dan wasn't required to claim in the Dan v SSK business, but I guess it was because SSK claimed first and then couldn't show where he had breadcrumbed his results and things.

[zMuffinMan]

it is more that his claimed targets didn't make sense given his supposed reads in game

who crumbs tracker results, lol

[Iecerint]

Well, sangres complained about no crumbs. w/e. at any rate, people were pretty comfy with lynching him.

The bodyguard speculation is the part of the puzzle I was missing.

[zMuffinMan]

another thing of note about the mafiassk lynch is the way in which mastin was defending mafiassk (and also mafiassk's response/s to it - i think at one point mafiassk said something along the lines of "omg mastin has figured out my meta" which would be a strange scum-scum interaction) - i was already townreading mastin at the time, but that didn't really look like scum defending a buddy (i'm sure mastin is capable of something similar as scum but meh, didn't really feel it here)

and then, of course, there's mollie's input on it which was basically stating the facts of the case and then... nothing

[Iecerint]

and then, of course, there's mollie's input on it which was basically stating the facts of the case and then... nothing

If valid, I think this is a good case for mollie scum.

But I will read for it tomorrow.

[zMuffinMan]

i'd pull up the quotes but if you're going to read it anyway, you may as well read the quotes in context

also, note: she was apparently town reading mafiassk at the time

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 7.2

[1] pirate mollie (zMuffinMan)
[1] zMuffinMan (pirate mollie)

[5] Not Voting (ActionDan, pidgey, Iecerint, mastin2, Skullduggery)

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-04-10 22:30:00)

[ActionDan]

The ssk lynch should be read with the idea that all the scum knew he was getting lynched in their heart of hearts

[ActionDan]

About the inventions. I got mine n1. It's a one time only commute. Usable whenever. AP gave the 2nd to cephir. But lol ascetic. He attempted to give it N3 to mollie who claimed she didn't get it. 1shot global rber sk dies so he probably used rb. AP dies. Mollie claims no invention. Neither me nor sangres got it ever. Where did it go? Maybe the rb destroyed it. Maybe it went to scum. Al had no reason not to give it to mollie in lieu of me or sangres

[Iecerint]

Ah, OK. So it would be that the global roleblock doesn't work on the SK's own kill, so the only action that worked N3 was that kill, so any N3 gifting didn't happen.

I'm surprised that trying to invention the Ascetic wouldn't already destroy the invention, but I guess AP would know. Whatever.

[Iecerint]

The ssk lynch should be read with the idea that all the scum knew he was getting lynched in their heart of hearts

Are you going to unpack this?

[pidgey]

AHEM

Muffin, are you the mason partner of sangres? Its just better to confirm that and get it out of the way.

[Skullduggery]

Since SSK did reveal his targets, what do you mean by "would eventually have to reveal"?

Well, Cabd revealed his Watcher results at the end of Day 2 (wherein he said he saw SSK perform an action on Sangres on Night 1), so I imagine that when Night 2 rolled around, one of the Scum team's biggest priorities was deciding what SSK was going to say on Day 3 to get out of trouble. Surely they would have used Night 2 to plan ahead so they could try to save SSK. Seems like a sensible assumption, right? If you (and that's a general "you," not Iecerint specifically) think SSK and I are both Scum, do you really think that SSK claiming me as a track target is the best idea that we could have come up with? Really? That's the point that I was originally trying to make. Cabd caught SSK with his hand in the cookie jar, so SSK needed to come up with

something

and the something that he came up with makes no sense if both of us are Scum. Do you follow me?

(Why didn't SSK get a pass, anyway? A confirmed-ish tracker would normally get a comfy pass.)

He was scummy and his Tracker claim just didn't feel right (hence my extremely short-lived theory that he was a Scum Rolecop pretending to be a Tracker).

About the inventions. I got mine n1. It's a one time only commute. Usable whenever.

AP gave the 2nd to cephir. But lol ascetic.

He attempted to give it N3 to mollie who claimed she didn't get it. 1shot global rber sk dies so he probably used rb. AP dies. Mollie claims no invention. Neither me nor sangres got it ever. Where did it go? Maybe the rb destroyed it. Maybe it went to scum. Al had no reason not to give it to mollie in lieu of me or sangres

How do you know this?