Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

[SXTLHGaiden]

I still don't understand why you didn't kill me last night.

[Desperado]

There may or may not be fakeclaims involved. I admit that I am entirely uninvested with the flavor in this game because it really shouldn't matter. Like this is even weaker than role/balance spec. It's nothing but flavor spec, and it's really some of the weakest flavor spec I've ever seen.

But it DOES matter. I'm the same fucking role that was in the last two iterations of this game. Aetis is always the town investigative role. This is NOT ambiguous at all and calling it weak is just you being ignorant, straight up.

[Majiffy]

There may or may not be fakeclaims involved. I admit that I am entirely uninvested with the flavor in this game because it really shouldn't matter. Like this is even weaker than role/balance spec. It's nothing but flavor spec, and it's really some of the weakest flavor spec I've ever seen.

But it DOES matter. I'm the same fucking role that was in the last two iterations of this game. Aetis is always the town investigative role. This is NOT ambiguous at all and calling it weak is just you being ignorant, straight up.

Did town try to break the second game with flavor?

I still don't understand why you didn't kill me last night.

Because I wanted Baitslot dead.

[SXTLHGaiden]

So you went for a suboptimal town play cause you wanted baitslot dead?

[Desperado]

Did town try to break the second game with flavor?

Yeah, and then DGB and I did everything we could to induce paranoia about their conclusions. Elyse (Lizen) ended up getting lynched in 3p.

[Majiffy]

Did town try to break the second game with flavor?

Yeah, and then DGB and I did everything we could to induce paranoia about their conclusions. Elyse (Lizen) ended up getting lynched in 3p.

So you think because town tried to break the game in the second incarnation, the mod wouldn't be privy to breaking strategies regarding the two characters that have been consistently town?

So you went for a suboptimal town play cause you wanted baitslot dead?

It wasn't suboptimal. Fitz was scumread by a number of players, and would have been an easy mislynch late-game if kept alive.

Are you town? Then stop bitching about how I didn't kill you.

[Majiffy]

For example, Desp, I don't think my character has been in the last two versions. In this game, I am specifically looking for you. So why doesn't anything activate upon finding you? Why is it nothing but flavor, given the massive amount of crazy mechanics and setup nuances in the last two games?

It would make more sense to me for Lizen to not actually be in the game, and that would subsequently also answer the breaking strategy of "these two flavors are always town".

[Majiffy]

And if it is indeed the case that Lizen is not in the game, it would also make sense for scum to push the massclaim agenda to not only clear themselves, but also find all the power-roles in the game.

[SXTLHGaiden]

That doesn't matter. If you take Pie's claim to be true, then killing anyone on the neil wagon does the following:
1. Removes someone who you think would be useless at this stage in the game (me).
2. Ends with 2 scum in a 3 person pool at worst. Even at mylo, this is favorable. This gives 2/3 odds to lynch scum, then you shoot the last person and bam 2 dead scum and likely you would die too since you would have to claim the vig shot if town was hit. Still 2 for 1 trade is quite good.

Am I missing something here?

[Desperado]

So you think because town tried to break the game in the second incarnation, the mod wouldn't be privy to breaking strategies regarding the two characters that have been consistently town?

Lizen and Aetis didn't share a QT last game, it was the Wingates who were trying to break it.

We're town. Can we lynch notscience now?

[Desperado]

And if it is indeed the case that Lizen is not in the game, it would also make sense for scum to push the massclaim agenda to not only clear themselves, but also find all the power-roles in the game.

Except I was only calling for a mass claim after pieguy claimed, which I couldn't possibly have planned for. The only way this makes sense is if Brian and I are scum together and we planned on claiming pseudo-masons from the beginning, which begs the question--why wouldn't we just claim masons?

Because we're not scum.

[Majiffy]

That doesn't matter. If you take Pie's claim to be true, then killing anyone on the neil wagon does the following:
1. Removes someone who you think would be useless at this stage in the game (me).
2. Ends with 2 scum in a 3 person pool at worst. Even at mylo, this is favorable. This gives 2/3 odds to lynch scum, then you shoot the last person and bam 2 dead scum and likely you would die too since you would have to claim the vig shot if town was hit. Still 2 for 1 trade is quite good.

Am I missing something here?

Pie's claim? What are we taking to be true?

Also all-town wagons on D1 can happen. And especially when

WE NEVER EVEN FUCKING LEFT RVS.

You're trying to apply an objective position to a subjective situation and then asking why it's not lining up. Stop.

So you think because town tried to break the game in the second incarnation, the mod wouldn't be privy to breaking strategies regarding the two characters that have been consistently town?

Lizen and Aetis didn't share a QT last game, it was the Wingates who were trying to break it.

We're town. Can we lynch notscience now?

It might just be his playstyle, but I almost always townread NS. Also I don't think I've seen scum NS.

[Majiffy]

Except I was only calling for a mass claim after pieguy claimed, which I couldn't possibly have planned for. The only way this makes sense is if Brian and I are scum together and we planned on claiming pseudo-masons from the beginning, which begs the question--why wouldn't we just claim masons?

Because we're not scum.

Because neighbors protects your ass if one of you flips scum.

Hurr fucking durr.

[SXTLHGaiden]

So you missed the bit D2 where pie claimed 1-shot sensor?

[Desperado]

Pie's claim? What are we taking to be true?

Also all-town wagons on D1 can happen. And especially when WE NEVER EVEN FUCKING LEFT RVS.

You're trying to apply an objective position to a subjective situation and then asking why it's not lining up. Stop.

are you fucking serious right now

[Desperado]

Please clarify what those first two lines mean, Majiffy.

[Desperado]

Because it looks a whole lot like you aren't aware that Pie claimed sensor and that two scum were on the Neil wagon.

But that can't possibly be it, so help me out.

[Majiffy]

So you missed the bit D2 where pie claimed 1-shot sensor?

I haven't been paying a lick of attention to pie since I townread him.

Because it looks a whole lot like you aren't aware that Pie claimed sensor and that two scum were on the Neil wagon.

But that can't possibly be it, so help me out.

Two scum were on the Neil wagon? Confirmed?

[Desperado]

Yes.

[Majiffy]

That's cool. Was Kalimar on the wagon? Because I wouldn't mind lynching him.

[SXTLHGaiden]

You could have confirmed it yourself by killing pie N2. A town flip would imply that we have no reason to doubt the claim and it would have put us at mylo with 50% to lynch scum. However, if you had claimed the vig shot at pie, then you pretty much conftown yourself since scum would be insane to put themselves in a position where most of the would die. So we would actually have 2/3 odds of lynching scum.

[Desperado]

No, he was off.

You, me, Gaiden, and NS are the only ones left.

[Majiffy]

Speaking of suboptimal strategies, lets go killing all the players I'm townreading, that's a great fucking move.

[Majiffy]

No, he was off.

You, me, Gaiden, and NS are the only ones left.

Sucks for you guys, then, cuz I have a town read on NS.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I don't understand. Killing a townread to put town in a favorable position is good play.
Then again, i'm bad at this game.