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[Thor665]

I was still going to suggest smargaret.

Interesting claim, I guess. CTD, can you verify it in any way?

Pere can obviously verify it.

I didn't breadcrumb it, but I don't think I could have made it any more obvious yesterday that Pere was confirmed town to me. The fact that my predecessor had no opinion on anything whatsoever other than that Pere was town should also give you a hint. As should the fact that Pere had Yiley listed as town when he came in. I'll let Pere deal with the rest of his side of the game.

I have to admit I'm reasonably buying it. It would not be the first time I hard burnt on Masons.
Especially now with the spate of VT claims.

[BROseidon]

I'm Wolverine, 1-shot BP Bodyguard. Protects have been Thor/Thor/CTD.

Bulbazak –
T S O – Emma Frost, VT
smargaret – Spiderman, VT
CrashTextDummie – Scarlett Witch, Mason
PeregrineV – Quicksilver, Mason
Thor665 – Captain Britain, VT
BROseidon – Wolverine, BG

Bulba's last.

Also

VOTE: Bulba

[jasonT1981]

Day 4 Vote Count 1

ChashTextDummie 1 - Thor665,
Bulbazak 1 - BROseidon

Not voting

PeregrineV,
CrashTextDummie,
T S O,
Bulbazak,
smargaret,

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-04-20 15:11:00)

till Day 3 Deadline

[Bulbazak]

As much as I'm starting to learn the benefit of massclaiming, I'm still going to say it's a bad idea. Given the high volume of vanilla flips, lack of investigation results, and strong characters with zero town power attached, I'd say it's extremely likely that we're looking at a limited number of PRs. Add in the fact that we're one mislynch away from Lylo, and scum will be looking for those few PRs harder than ever, and a massclaim plays right into their hands. Combine that with the fact that Bro, one of my strongest scumreads, is the one suggesting the idea, and I think we should avoid massclaiming at all costs.

You are actually describing nothing but reasons why massclaiming now is a good idea.

I don't see how helping scum find PRs in a small power game is a good thing.

VT, spiderman. Mod obviously hates me - I'm arachnophobic.

If the mod made this a fake claim, I will hate him forever.

I am Thor, VT.

Bro is conf. town. I'm a bit paranoid about the mason claims for

House of M

flavor reasons, but I'm willing to believe it for now, given that Bro is the only other PR claim. I'm not sure whether the mod would think a bulletproof bodyguard was enough to warrant a rolecop by itself or not.

Vote TSO

The White Queen must die. Or Kitty explains it best:

[Thor665]

So, yeah, Bulba and the masons are confirmed.

Unvote: CTD

So two scum in TSO, Bulb, and Smarg.
Hurm...

[Thor665]

Vote: Smargaret

This.

[Thor665]

Not that i see any chance I'll die, but I will say, if I'm right, I actually lean TSO as partner.
Feel free to discuss.

[T S O]

So, yeah, Bulba and the masons are confirmed.

Unvote: CTD

So two scum in TSO, Bulb, and Smarg.
Hurm...

I fully agree with smargaret being scum, and I'm glad you gripped it.

Vote: smargaret

However, I cannot fucking comprehend how a smargaret scumflip will incline towards me being scum, because I'm the only one in this damn town who's been pushing her the whole game.

And I have more problems, Thor. Namely, you making BROseidon and the Masons conftown. No entiendo. They're not at all, and I know if I was scum in this scenario I would be fakeclaiming a PR in a low power town, because the chances of me being caught in my claim are zilch.

[PeregrineV]

I can confirm I'm Quicksilver, Mason with Scarlet Witch/CTD (who is apparently my sister. Go figure).

[PeregrineV]

With that said, CTD can confirm that I pretty much suspect everyone for various reasons.

[Bulbazak]

And I have more problems, Thor. Namely, you making BROseidon and the Masons conftown. No entiendo. They're not at all, and I know if I was scum in this scenario I would be fakeclaiming a PR in a low power town, because the chances of me being caught in my claim are zilch.

Bro's conf. town due to the existence of a role cop. As for the masons, it's a question of setup vs. flavor. Like Emma Frost, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch can go either way, and I'm still debating on whether Bro's role by itself is justification for the role cop without the existence of masons.

[CrashTextDummie]

Bulba, I disagree with your use/interpretation of flavor. The flavor of this game is Avenger's Alliance, in which all claimed roles (as well as flipped town roles) are playable heroes and the one flipped scum role is a major antagonist.

Additionally, it's pretty clear that scum were provided fakeclaims (Zekrom claimed Beast), so I'm not sure why you're even entertaining the idea that any of the claimed roles may be scum aligned.

Is this the only reason you're voting TSO?

[Bulbazak]

Bulba, I disagree with your use/interpretation of flavor. The flavor of this game is Avenger's Alliance, in which all claimed roles (as well as flipped town roles) are playable heroes and the one flipped scum role is a major antagonist.

I've been using overall Marvel universe knowledge. I'm not familiar with the game in question.

Is this the only reason you're voting TSO?

No, I've suspected TSO for awhile. I found his defense of Zekrom on d1 to be pretty scummy, and there was something else from the previous day phase, although I can't remember what it is.

[CrashTextDummie]

TSO, I'm confused by your PRnoia. Do you actually find either claim suspect or are you just arguing on principle?

[CrashTextDummie]

Bro's conf. town due to the existence of a role cop.

Please explain your thought process behind this.

[Bulbazak]

Bro's conf. town due to the existence of a role cop.

Please explain your thought process behind this.

The only reason to give scum a role cop is to find PRs that could affect their wincon. Masons are not justification for a role cop. A role that can protect others by taking the shot for them, and is 1-shot bulletproof as well, is plenty of justification for scum to have the role. That's a tough role to counter if scum can't find it. Masons can be worked around and are easily faked.

[T S O]

TSO, I'm confused by your PRnoia. Do you actually find either claim suspect or are you just arguing on principle?

I wouldn't argue on principle.

I don't particularly understand how BROseidon being a Bodyguard is ...confirmed by a Role Cop. If I was scum and claimed Tracker, then my scumbuddy could say the same thing. It means nothing. He was one of the last to claim, meaning he KNEW it would be safe to claim a PR.

Regarding your Mason claim, it's a daring move if you're scum. I've actually seen scum do this in a game I was in and win. I want to go back and check your stances now. If I find -one- discrepancy, then I'm getting off smargaret and onto you. If not, you can be Town.

[T S O]

I've returned and I'm starting my read-through. Here we go.

[T S O]

It's occurred to me that no-one whatsoever has entertained the possibility of Thor being scum.

It probably means something, but idk what.

[Thor665]

However, I cannot Smurfing comprehend how a smargaret scumflip will incline towards me being scum, because I'm the only one in this damn town who's been pushing her the whole game.

Well, since with three claimed PRs I am assured not dead tomorrow, how about we discuss it then. But, in short, I find the voting habits to suggest you're the more likely partner than Bulba.

And I have more problems, Thor. Namely, you making BROseidon and the Masons conftown. No entiendo. They're not at all, and I know if I was scum in this scenario I would be fakeclaiming a PR in a low power town, because the chances of me being caught in my claim are zilch.

I agree, scum should have fakeclaimed.

That said, they didn't.

We have a flipped scum rolecop.
We have three claimed PRs (two of which can only be lying if they're the scum)
So, either scum were given a rolecop to oppose 2 masons and an army of vanilla...
Or scum were given a rolecop to oppose 1 Bodyguard (and, seriously, a *bodyguard* not a Doc, a bodyguard)
Or...there happen to be 3 town PRs that are a bodyguard and 2 masons.

The only othe rpossibility is someone is lying from the PRs and the mod did a semi-bastard Mountainou ssetup.
I will admit this amuses me as an idea, because I'd love to play that game and/or run it, but I just don't think anyone who isn't me would try to submit that as a game idea to teach people not to dry hump PR legs.

Nah - they're all confirmed. Deal with it, scum.

It's occurred to me that no-one whatsoever has entertained the possibility of Thor being scum.

It probably means something, but idk what.

Well, it means either a) that I'm obvious town this game (decent chance)
b) that scum know my history of winning 1 v 1 attempts (decent chance)
or
c) I was being buddied too hard when I was mistaking mason tells for scum tells and no wscum knows reversing on their stance would look bad (decent chance)

Take your pick.

[T S O]

However, I cannot Smurfing comprehend how a smargaret scumflip will incline towards me being scum, because I'm the only one in this damn town who's been pushing her the whole game.

Well, since with three claimed PRs I am assured not dead tomorrow, how about we discuss it then. But, in short, I find the voting habits to suggest you're the more likely partner than Bulba.

We will discuss it tomorrow if we're both alive, but it would minorly amuse me if you would explain to me now how me roaring at you to vote smargaret, insulting you when you didn't, not joining the Antihero wagon to push smargaret, etcetera et-SMURFIN-cetera means that we are buddies. Please, enlighten me, I'm not going to take the fall when the scum I caught by myself is voted by you and then I get mislynched because Bulba subtly defending smargaret is Town, you mercilessly ignoring her is Town and me kicking her on the ground is Scum.

I deserve this cred. I ain't even being subtle. She's scum. I know it. I have known it since early d2.

And I have more problems, Thor. Namely, you making BROseidon and the Masons conftown. No entiendo. They're not at all, and I know if I was scum in this scenario I would be fakeclaiming a PR in a low power town, because the chances of me being caught in my claim are zilch.

I agree, scum should have fakeclaimed.

That said, they didn't.

I disagree with this - my belief someone's lying is growing stronger and stronger.

We have a flipped scum rolecop.
We have three claimed PRs (two of which can only be lying if they're the scum)

This is all concrete, yes.

So, either scum were given a rolecop to oppose 2 masons and an army of vanilla...

There's nothing wrong with this scenario, nor anything which makes it unlikely. In other words, it's just as likely as scenario C.

Or scum were given a rolecop to oppose 1 Bodyguard (and, seriously, a *bodyguard* not a Doc, a bodyguard)

A Bulletproof Bodyguard, actually. Again, a Bulletproof Bodyguard vs a Role Cop seems very fair. There isn't anything wrong with this. Again, it's just as likely.

Or...there happen to be 3 town PRs that are a bodyguard and 2 masons.

What makes this scenario more likely, though? Why is it more likely than the two above? You need to explain this to me. It's of paramount importance.

There's nothing wrong with this set-up, per se. However, there's nothing particularly right either.

The only othe rpossibility is someone is lying from the PRs and the mod did a semi-bastard Mountainou ssetup.
I will admit this amuses me as an idea, because I'd love to play that game and/or run it, but I just don't think anyone who isn't me would try to submit that as a game idea to teach people not to dry hump PR legs.

Does it even need to be Mountainous? Why can't someone simply be lying?

Nah - they're all confirmed. Deal with it, scum.

So, I'm scum?

When exactly did I transit from being a top townread to scum? What is your read on Bulba?

It's occurred to me that no-one whatsoever has entertained the possibility of Thor being scum.

It probably means something, but idk what.

Well, it means either a) that I'm obvious town this game (decent chance)
b) that scum know my history of winning 1 v 1 attempts (decent chance)
or
c) I was being buddied too hard when I was mistaking mason tells for scum tells and no wscum knows reversing on their stance would look bad (decent chance)

Take your pick.

Scum wouldn't have to 1v1 you, though. I'm not talking about calling you scum, flat out, and batting it out versus THE MIGHTY THOR. I'm saying there hasn't been paranoia about you, at all. By anyone. This probably lends itself to you being Town. I just think it's odd.

[T S O]

My main problem, I guess, is if it's Peregrine/CTD, then I have to reconcile myself to the fact smargaret is Town. And I don't think I can do that.

Gonna go look at smargaret's interactions with others, and DO MY READTHROUGH. UGH.

[Bulbazak]

So, either scum were given a rolecop to oppose 2 masons and an army of vanilla...

There's nothing wrong with this scenario, nor anything which makes it unlikely. In other words, it's just as likely as scenario C.

If this is the case, the mod and I are going to have some words after the game.

Again, a Bulletproof Bodyguard vs a Role Cop seems very fair. There isn't anything wrong with this. Again, it's just as likely.

I actually agree with this.

When exactly did I transit from being a top townread to scum? What is your read on Bulba?

Redirect much?

Scum wouldn't have to 1v1 you, though. I'm not talking about calling you scum, flat out, and batting it out versus THE MIGHTY THOR.

That's good, because he's not the Mighty Thor. I am.

[T S O]

I'm not asking him to scumread you, Bulba. My point is that I don't understand why my trajectory from town to scum would be significantly worse than yours.

Regarding Scenario A), why would you be angry at the mod? It's a decently balanced low-power set-up prioritizing good town/scumplay.

[Bulbazak]

Regarding Scenario A), why would you be angry at the mod? It's a decently balanced low-power set-up prioritizing good town/scumplay.

From a setup point of view, it's just a waste of power, and the interaction of roles is not justified. It's essentially pretty close to bastard, as Thor said. The role cop would essentially be a glorified goon, while town gets an advantage in the form of PoE. The mod is essentially lying to the scum team, putting them at a disadvantage, while giving the town an advantage, especially if the masons make it to endgame. I'm already ticked that he hasn't taken advantage of the theme properly. Finding out that he pulled a stunt like that would be the final straw and enough to make me /out of the large game.