The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Magua]

I don't care what your answer *could* be. I care what it *is*.

Again, 1/5th the effort of your post could've gone into *actually answering the question*.

[Magua]

So if you could stop deflecting for like five seconds, and assume that my questions are asked in good faith and that I actually care about the answer that you give, well, that'd just be dandy.

[Ythan]

Well the first half is a question you could answer.

[~Jordan`]

The problem with your questions is that they don't go anywhere; they are

dumb

. Do you really think I might have a set of reads that I'm just not talking about because I love appearing useless? Do you really think "seems fishing" about a "is that a scumclaim" post can mean anything other than "i feel like this guy is picking at low-hanging fruit". Your questions aren't even interesting.

And it doesn't matter to me how little you care about how overwhelmed you are, but nice job assuming that I care

so

much about your sympathy. I do think we're both town, and I do think you don't want to mislynch me, and I do think that explaining to you how my thinking is working right now will help everyone have a nicer day.

[~Jordan`]

So if you could stop deflecting for like five seconds, and assume that my questions are asked in good faith and that I actually care about the answer that you give, well, that'd just be dandy.

its called reactance you schmuck

[InflatablePie]

prod dodge, been a bit busy/lazy, sorry guys

tomorrows my day off, will catch up between tonight and tomorrow night

[Ythan]

So if you could stop deflecting for like five seconds, and assume that my questions are asked in good faith and that I actually care about the answer that you give, well, that'd just be dandy.

its called reactance you schmuck

Whatever that series of letters means it's probably scummy though.

[Magua]

The problem with your questions is that they don't go anywhere; they are

dumb

. Do you really think I might have a set of reads that I'm just not talking about because I love appearing useless? Do you really think "seems fishing" about a "is that a scumclaim" post can mean anything other than "i feel like this guy is picking at low-hanging fruit". Your questions aren't even interesting.

What am I thinking about you, and why did I ask those questions? I'll explain.

You say my reads are shit. I ask what reads you think are shit (besides the one on you). Why do I ask this? I ask this because I think you're just mudslinging with an ad hominem attack, ie, I don't think you think my reads are *actually* shit specifically, you're just insulting me in general terms in order to create doubt.

You say Iecerint seems like he's fishing. I ask what he's fishing for. Why do I ask this? Because again it seems like a generic off-the-shelf thing to say about someone, and I'm curious about whether you actually believe it or, again, if you're just throwing shit around to see what sticks.

This continues. You say you think I'm town, so, presumably, you believe that I'm genuine in asking the questions. But then you say my questions aren't "interesting", that they're "dumb", etc, which is more ad hom indicating that I shouldn't be asking them. So. What's your thought process here?

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Who else do you think is town?

[~Jordan`]

How is calling a question dumb and explaining why it's dumb "ad hom"???

[~Jordan`]

You say my reads are shit. I ask what reads you think are shit (besides the one on you). Why do I ask this? I ask this because I think you're just mudslinging with an ad hominem attack, ie, I don't think you think my reads are *actually* shit specifically, you're just insulting me in general terms in order to create doubt.

Doubt in whom? The crowd of people religiously following your reads list?

You say Iecerint seems like he's fishing. I ask what he's fishing for. Why do I ask this? Because again it seems like a generic off-the-shelf thing to say about someone, and I'm curious about whether you actually believe it or, again, if you're just throwing shit around to see what sticks.

I accused him of throwing shit around to see what sticks and apparently that is not a generic off-the-shelf thing to say.

Who else do you think is town?

Ythan, Iece
Think there are some confirmed roles, too, non?

[Untrod Tripod]

The crowd of people

who's in that crowd, exactly?

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Waffles.

Waffles.

Waffles.

Who do you think is scum?

I don't know

I still think that mollie looks like scum for not really trying to figure out the game and just a bunch of things that don't add up. I'm still trying to figure out the purpose in desperado gunning straight for a town mollie. What I couldn't say before but I can say now is that in Book of Shadows Mollie and Desperado were scum partners and I caught mollie really early and suspected her then I started questioning the lack of interaction or recognition of a scum mollie in desperado. He ended up bussing her but after it was clear she was getting lynched. I'm worried that he was trying to get out of what so obviously made them look like scum partners in that game to nacho and I (okay well to Nacho, I thought the lack of interaction was worrisome but didn't have desperado as scumscumscum there.) However, mala kinda looked like she was trying to appeal to mollie, so IDK but I definitely don't think she's being all towntowntown either like some people think.

Besides that I have some things I need to reread back through. I've thought that pie looks fine this game but mina is really concerned that my comment on pie is always "he seems fine" and that I forget he exists until mina brings him up.

[Ythan]

What about Jordan?

[Axxle]

@Jordan, what has iece done that makes him town to you? You know, besides throwing shit and seeing what sticks...

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

...I don't know about Jordan. I think his posts look scummy, and I do think that the statement at start of day was off. HOWEVER, for a split second when eleven flipped I thought they were scum too, then I laughed at myself for being silly. Though at first I thought him thinking it was scum was a scum tell, but then I considered it could actually be a town tell because he would have known if eleven was his scum partner, so him kinda off the cuff going "but eleven was scum" looks kinda townish actually. So, it might be a town tell.

And when I told mina that I thought he looked kinda scummy she responded that fate had some town sounding posts yesterday. Also, faraday thought fate was town so he might be town. IDK.

[A Simple Math Problem]

someone give me their snow plz

Vote Count 3.09

Your New Gay Overlords

(2) Gammagooey, Cheery Dog

Iecerint

(0)

Cheery Dog

(2) pirate mollie, Your New Gay Overlords

Untrod Tripod

(0)

Gammagooey

(0)

InflatablePie

(0)

Antihero

(2) Untrod Tripod, InflatablePie

Ythan

(0)

Axxle

(0)

Sir Waffles Wafflington

(0)

pirate mollie

(0)

Magua

(0)

~Jordan

(3)

Magua, Axxle, Ythan

Not Voting

(4) Iecerint, Antihero, Sir Waffles Wafflington, ~Jordan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: April 24th @ 1PM Commune Time

V/LA:

mollie on weekends

[Cheery Dog]

I think it's unlikely that they bussed both days (especially if it's 4 mafia like most? of the people here think besides reck). Moreover I think it's unlikely that it's Gamma or iec since then they'd have both bussed the same way both days, scum would be too self conscious about patterns in that case.

I still don't consider iec an actual vote on the eaglekit wagon, so I'm finding it weird you're able to rule him out because of it.

I don't really care when scum is unlikely to actually have his role. (and I don't think he was bussing AD either)

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery Dog -- Never voted for scum. Flip flops on mollie and it's gross. Pure OMGUS on me after I went after him.

You do not get to invent reasons because you still somehow believe there is no reasons for you being wagoned.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

i can't log in to my hydra... WTF?

My reads of people currently fall into three categories: absolutely won't lynch, really don't want to lynch, and have no problem lynching.

NOPE NO WAY JOSE

mollie -- She's playing very emotionally and very earnestly. It screams town to me more than anyone else in the game.
Antihero -- Nuwen's posts were genuine and her reads sounded a lot like my own. Having played with Nuwenscum, this was certainly not it.
Untrod Tripod -- No lynch on him unless Waffles flips scum.

WOULD RATHER NOT PLZ

Iecerint -- Play is kinda blegh but dat role tho
Gammagooey -- I've firmly believed Gamma is town the whole game but he's also a p good player and I'm just paranoid he's just stringing me along
Waffles -- Probably not scum due to the complexity of the claim but the "UT/Waffles wombo gambit" is circulating in the back of my mind.
~Jordan`-- I just cannot see how Fate would fake the sincerity of his read on me while in an "enlightened", manic, stoned state of mind. It was too real.

NO PROBS BRO

Cheery Dog -- Never voted for scum. Flip flops on mollie and it's gross. Pure OMGUS on me after I went after him.
InflatablePie -- Mostly process of elimination. Kinda cautious, blend-in-with-the-furniturey play so far. Actually can't think of a distinguishing thing about him at all this game.
Axxle -- Never voted for scum. Day 1 play was pretty disgusting and icky. Has gotten slightly better since then. Belief that Dan was bussed seems pretty convicted/genuine?
Magua -- CDB replacement. I didn't even want to look at CDB D1 because I never get to play with him. Some dead people though CDB was scum. Magua's replacement into the game was rather worrisome. I dunno.
Ythan -- My theory: he's a serial killer, or some kind of third party, or he is a mafia day vig who counterclaimed the shot on Triforce to add some "complexity" to his role. "Scum would have a day vig but they wouldn't have a mafia day and night vig would they?" This is mostly paranoia than an actual scum read but it'd make me feel safer if he was dead

I'm lacking any super strong convictions right now but I'd say Pie & Cheery Dog are my top two preferred lynch candidates.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Still don't like the Nuwenwagon, even if it is an Antihero wagon now.

However, I've been pretty wrong this whole game so let's assume I'm wrong now, too.

VOTE: Antihero

NOPE NO WAY JOSE

Antihero -- Nuwen's posts were genuine and her reads sounded a lot like my own. Having played with Nuwenscum, this was certainly not it.

Do elaborate.

I literally said in the first post that I didn't like the wagon and was only voting because it was the opposite of what I thought.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Cheery Dog -- Never voted for scum. Flip flops on mollie and it's gross. Pure OMGUS on me after I went after him.

You do not get to invent reasons because you still somehow believe there is no reasons for you being wagoned.

No, you're right, Axxle gave reasons earlier and that's about it. You, however, said:

Actually, why is it bad to vote him for being a specific category of people? You just throw that out there like it's this assumed negative thing. He never voted for scum.

Let me fix this then. (Even though mollie and/or anti/nuwen are probably still scum)

VOTE: Your New Gay Overlords

And that's about it. Note the complete lack of reasons in this post? Note that you just call me scum and vote me after I've been pushing for your lynch for a few pages? Note that literally the only thing one can derive from these two statements is that yes, it is pure OMGUS?

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Can I get a show of hands of player who wouldn't save their shot for lylo if they pulled mafia dayvig? Could be sk though.

Uhhh I'd shoot pretty immediately.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

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you seem to want me dead very badly but you're voting Antihero, please comment

[Ythan]

Can I get a show of hands of player who wouldn't save their shot for lylo if they pulled mafia dayvig? Could be sk though.

Uhhh I'd shoot pretty immediately.

But Will I sure am shocked that you would say this!

[Your New Gay Overlords]

I do not have the self control to save a vig bullet if I have one.