NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Yates]

Can we pretend I never argued that point? I'm going to blame the pain killers.

[Nero Cain]

Does this affect your TWIE read?

bullet case on him.

[PeregrineV]

@Yates

- How about YOUR read on me?

[4nxi3ty]

You are using talah's view of my scum-meta though, so this doesn't quite cut it!

It does too! Less about talah's actual view and more about your reaction to talah bringing up meta.

So Penguin is a non-read because your previous read on the slot is considered a "bias" to you? No. If Roger was scummy, that's scum points against the slot. And there's no reason for Deas to be a non-read. I don't like this response.

Nope, Penguin is not a non-read; started with a scumread on Roger, changed my mind, changed back, then I don't what the hell to think with the replace out. So gave penguin a clean slate and leaning town atm.

As for Deas: not going to force myself to reach a conclusion. Gratz if you have a solid read on DV - I don't.

I'm not talking feelings. I'm talking content-wise.

well you stick to your "content" and I'll stick to my "feelings"(I ain't afraid to have them >.<)

[Plessiez]

It's day 2. Deadline for the day is 13th April, 15:45. That's (expired on 2014-04-13 15:45:32).

Vote Count 2.7

SnowStorm [4 votes] (penguin_alien, Angry Pidgeon, mastin2, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [3 votes] (SnowStorm, aptil, Nero Cain)
RachMarie [2 votes] (Snork, ThAdmiral)
TheWayItEnds [2 votes] (Yates, RachMarie)
4nxi3ty [2 votes] (PeregrineV, Egg)
AngryPidgeon [1 vote] (DeasVail)
mastin2 [1 vote] (4nxi3ty)

2 players are not voting

: {projectmatt, TheWayItEnds}

With

17

players alive it takes

9

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

mastin2 is V/LA until April 7th.
projecttmatt is V/LA until April 7th.
Yates is V/LA.

[4nxi3ty]

Damon, thoughts on mastin?

btw, so you know, I think your hops on luca, rach, and snowstorm are

interesting

along with mastin's scumread of you.

[RachMarie]

DV

His play here feels familiar to his play in other games I have been in with him and he was town in those.

[Damon_Gant]

Damon, thoughts on mastin?

btw, so you know, I think your hops on luca, rach, and snowstorm are

interesting

along with mastin's scumread of you.

My thoughts on mastin are that I'm leaning slightly scum - a lot of really odd reads and very keen to dissociate herself from the wagons yesterday. If you'd like to tell me what is so

interesting

about my "hops" (very suggestive word that I don't think fairly portrays the very different ways I entered those 3 wagons) then I'd be more than happy to discuss this with you.

As I'm struggling to provide too much meaningful content to this game at this juncture, here's a list of where I roughly stand on every player. Hopefully it sparks some discussion, and I'm happy to discuss any point in more detail.

4nx

: has been a consistent scumread of mine but something about his play today and reading his meta has made me feel meh.

weak scum

AP

: Didn't think he came off well from his argument with Snork defending Rach. Everything else is fine though.

null

aptil

: The claim.

strong town

DV

: If some players have a naturally scummy tone, I feel like DV has a naturally town tone. When I carefully try to discard that,

null

Egg

: Not much to say about Egg, but about the predecessor I myself liked the fake vig incident and am

moderate town

mastin

: I've said what I had to say about mastin.

leaning scum

Nero

: Has tunnelled the Mister Rogers/penguin_alien slot. Really difficult for me to get a read on.

null

penguin_alien

: People started strong townreading this slot early on - including myself - but it got to the point where so many did this I felt uneasy. penguin_alien came in, played a lot less like obvtown, and yet now I feel happier about this slot because the contribution seems more genuinely protown, at least to me.

leaning town

PeregrineV

: I definitely felt like he was town on Day 1, but I'm struggling to locate the posts in his ISO that lead me to this. I've used the phrase "provocative in the right ways" before and that's roughly how I felt here I think. So far Day 2 he has been meh.

leaning town

projectmatt

: Coasting hard. Sometimes posts like town, sometimes not so much like in #605 where he claims there were "bigger fish to fry" than Luca on Day 1 but fails to name anyone.

null

RachMarie

: The worst vote on the Luca wagon yesterday. Calls pisskop "the scum off both wagons" on Day 1 - but pisskop wasn't really around to make a decision on these wagons so how he can be implicated for this is absurd. Nully play otherwise,

leaning scum

Snork

: Not a fan of bjc, the predecessor to his slot, but Snorks seems protown to me - genuine scumhunting.

moderate town

SnowStorm

: My vote is here for reasons I have stated.

moderate scum

ThAd

: As he noted in #2114, my read on him has been here and there. I think it's a matter of a problem I have with his posting style. He's made some good posts, and I'm

leaning town

right now.

TWIE

: I could not get a read off pisskop for the life of me - but he made me feel uneasy. TWIE also makes me feel very uneasy for similar reasons. This excess of sarcasm. His last post, #2117 is horrible - and perhaps the one post of TWIE's I can point to and say that it's definitely indicative of scum.

leaning scum

Yates

: Honestly no idea what to think of this, and the subject of my next detailed ISO read.

null

Lots of "leaning" going on, but this is just honesty. Few of my reads are particularly strong at this juncture - but then from my observation I think the same is true of most people in this game.

[Nero Cain]

Gant, I have a few issues with that post.

#1-I think I've done more than tunnel MR/PA
#2-I wouldn't give Aptil a strong town read and I think its really strange. Can you elaborate on this a little more.
#3-"penguin_alien came in, played a lot less like obvtown, and yet now I feel happier about this slot because the contribution seems more genuinely protown"????

[TheWayItEnds]

Mine in bold

In other news pisskop stopped posting on page 52 before he was replaced.

Not posting is not the same as not reading. He was posting for 5 days after his last post here. Are you going to try to tell me that you don't think he even bothered to READ this game while posting in others??

Actually I didn't check because I don't care. He stopped posting in this game on page 52, whether or not he posted elsewhere, he clearly had quit this game long before you actually got around to lynching anyone. Although I see that Nero took care of this so I suppose we'll leave it at that.

7 people were still not on either of the leading wagons. With his vote that he hasn't moved since page 29.

The first part of this is fair. I checked and Talah had 7 votes when pisskop ACTUALLY stopped posting [March 24]. The second part, though, is actually part of his scum case. That's a vote park. Vote parking is scummy.

Just out of curiosity, how long does a vote have to sit on 1 person before it becomes a scum claim? Because FYI your votes been on me for 14 pages. Does that make it scummy now?

And seriously if the case against me is that one of the 2 people off the scum wagon HAS to be scum

Yeah. Not why I'm voting your slot but it is likely and just more fuel for the fire.

Okay, but it's still not a valid reason considering that there was no one playing this slot to place his vote.

My actual reason for voting pisskop is for his misreps and horrible play. Feel free to just look at the exchanges he had with me in ISO if you want the short short version of why I hate your slot. You have done nothing to improve it and I see no reason not to see it lynched.

Yates, I know you're on V/LA, but when you're able can you give me a rundown more specifically on why you think TWIE is the best lynch for today?

I'm actually able to type a little better from work and on fewer pharmaceutical grade pain killers so my activity should be somewhat better. I just have to remember to hit the space key with my index finger instead of my thumb!

The bottom line is that I HATED pisskop. Please see above. I'm not reading TWIE independent of his predecessor.

Honestly, I don't care that you hate this slot. I absolutely don't. What I want from you is any indication that you're aware that scum teams usually have multiple members and you don't appear to be looking anywhere but my slot. If I flip town where are you looking next?

[SnowStorm]

Ok, I think I'm going to settle with a town read on 4nxiety.

I like that he took his vote off my wagon, which he started. It's not what I'd expect from scum as I think he could have kept pushing me safely. I also think scum are more likely to support cases started by town than by their team members; the way the wagon on me developed has lead me to believe that this wasn't started by scum but instead grew with the help of scum. One reason that lead me to these conclusions is that I also don't really like the pushes that have been made on 4nx. When you add this all up it doesn't make much sense. I mean, I find it odd that a player who's been generally suspected could get so much support when he made his case on me, which wasn't even good to start with.

As I've said, I really did not like the way AP joined the wagon and he fits pretty well in the profile of scum opportunistically jumping on a wagon built by town, even more so if PA is town, which is what I'm leaning at since I already had the slot as town and I don't believe them both to be scum.
As I've said, I really did not like the way AP joined the wagon and I

[TheWayItEnds]

Spoiler: My Awesome Post these quotes are referring to

Pisskop was inactive. I don't think he necessarily chose to be off both wagons.

Pretty sure he was active for the majority of it. Plus, have you READ his ISO? I've been scum reading that slot since Day 1. I realize TWIE can't answer for that but he has also been playing pretty terrible since replacing in. No solid reads. No scum hunting effort. No attempt to understand the game state. Bleh. It looks like someone trying to hide and - ironically - stands out like a sore thumb [no pun intended!].

Man you're right. I'm totally trying to hide. Thats why I keep posting sarcastic replies to your terrible posts today. I also do have some pretty solid reads to the tune of 3 town and 2 scum that i would like lynched today as well as 2 others that i would be fine with lynching that i've just mentioned in my wall literally 1 page ago.

In other news pisskop stopped posting on page 52 before he was replaced. So you know... 18 pages before you lynched someone. Where 7 people were still not on either of the leading wagons. With his vote that he hasn't moved since page 29. What a calculated way to stay off the leading wagons, by replacing out of 3 games so that he wouldn't have to place a vote on either candidate. Fucking pisskop. So next level.

Its like you've literally put in no effort today and by just saying pisskops name in the thread you can make me scum. Seriously put any effort into this game, or get lynched. I'm really starting to not care which.

And seriously if the case against me is that one of the 2 people off the scum wagon HAS to be scum because fucking RachMarie the paragon of scum hunters said so and pisskop was lurky which is waaaaay worse than mastin being V/LA all of day 1 (because we were the only 2 people not on a wagon, and theres LITERALLY ZERO chance of one of us not being scum), so it has so be him even though he wasnt around during the time period that the lynch was occuring...

Looks like you got me.

I also do have some pretty solid reads to the tune of 3 town and 2 scum

"to the tune of"..? IDK Yates, THIS feels like scum upset at being called out for the wrong reasons. This defense is awkward and feels overdone...I mean wow all he has to do is point out that he has reads, the snark behind it feels fake.

Man, you're right. Its so overdone and out of no where. Its like, I opened up the post by being all polite and suddenly there I was being all snarky and... wait.

Man you're right. I'm totally trying to hide. Thats why I keep posting sarcastic replies to your terrible posts today.

Oh right, I didn't. I posted that instead. (Oh no, I'm doing it again. Can you guess why AP?*)

*Its because your post was terrible.

And seriously if the case against me is that one of the 2 people off the scum wagon HAS to be scum because fucking RachMarie the paragon of scum hunters said so and pisskop was lurky which is waaaaay worse than mastin being V/LA all of day 1 (because we were the only 2 people not on a wagon, and theres LITERALLY ZERO chance of one of us not being scum), so it has so be him even though he wasnt around during the time period that the lynch was occuring...

So is RM town or scum? This deflection onto mastin also feels like...a deflection onto mastin. Especially since mastin wsa in the same position ... lurking like pisskop... the defense really looks like an attempt to make mastin look bad instead.

First of all: What difference does RM's alignment make here? ... None.
Second of all: What I am describing here is the thought process one would have to go to based on RM's logic to arrive at me.
First, one would have to assume that of the 2 people who are off the 2 main wagons one of them would have to be scum.
Second, one would compare Pisskop to Mastin. Pisskop lurked, Mastin had a V/LA, essentially the reads based on both of those slots are based on a small of amount of content, so either you flip a fucking coin or you decide that clearly lurking is worse, so Pisskop it is.
Third, you decide that this is infallible logic and vote for me, disregarding that pisskops vote could not have been on the main wagon, because no one was playing in this slot.

Now, if you had quoted further to where i posted you would get from this paragraph not that the logic is wrong because you chose pk over mastin.
You would get what the paragraph had meant to convey, that the logic is wrong because it's fucking stupid.

You can think to yourself that scum like to hang out off wagons and decide to check out the 2 players who ended up off wagon, but if you check them, and 1 of them is offwagon because hes not there, and the other is off wagon after an extended V/LA and explicitly posting in thread that she probably wasnt going to fully read the thread. And then you use that point in a case against either of them, I'm going to tell you that your case is fucking stupid.

... lurking like pisskop... the defense really looks like an attempt to make mastin look bad instead.

Do I have to be the one to say it? Fine - cognitive dissonance. TWIE's claiming his slot isn't scummy because his predecessor was lurking to the point it got replaced. Okay. Might buy it. But then he says Mastin *is* scum for lurking even though - of the two - MASTIN was the one that posted a V/LA in the game. Frankly, Mastin should probably replace out [I know that probably comes across as cold but she's got more important crap to deal with]. Still, you can't have two conflicting standards when it comes to activity and how it reflects upon someone's alignment.

I dont. And also I never said Mastin was scum for lurking.

I also do have some pretty solid reads to the tune of 3 town and 2 scum

"to the tune of"..? IDK Yates, THIS feels like scum upset at being called out for the wrong reasons. This defense is awkward and feels overdone...I mean wow all he has to do is point out that he has reads, the snark behind it feels fake.

More on this. TWIE is so proud of his 2 scum and 3 townreads? I mean we are on page 100+ or something of a large normal and he has reads on < 1/3 of the player list, woooo. I dont see why anyone is so proud of that. People should have at least moderate opinions on half the players in the game at this point if not more than that.

What the fuck even is this? Yates posted in the quote thats in my post that I don't have reads where my reads have literally just finished being posted. I'm not being proud of the reads, I'm pointing them out.
Secondly, if you'll refer back to my wall. you'll notice that the titles of my read list are "Super Scum" and "Super Town". What I mean by that is that i have 2 scum reads that I would hammer in this post without a second thought, and three town reads that I would probably go to no lynch over voting atm. Pretending that those 5 people are my only reads is cute especially when in my wall post I gave other ones that didn't end up on the final list, because they aren't as strong.

Its a good thing you're scum this game because I can't imagine that a town game based on intentionally misconstruing posts would be very effective.

VOTE ANGRYPIDGEON

[TheWayItEnds]

PV all have essentially nothing worth commenting on today.

What's your opinion on PereV? I bring this up only because he is posting elsewhere but not here.

If I had to put down my list of a 4 or 5 man scum team right now, he would be in it.

[TheWayItEnds]

TWIE

: I could not get a read off pisskop for the life of me - but he made me feel uneasy. TWIE also makes me feel very uneasy for similar reasons.

This excess of sarcasm.

His last post, #2117 is horrible - and perhaps the one post of TWIE's I can point to and say that it's definitely indicative of scum.

leaning scum

I would just stop reading my posts then because I'm serving up an all you can eat sarcasm buffet.

[SnowStorm]

if she kept playing like this she'd be bus material.

I sort of see what you are saying. I'm not sure that's how it plays out irl. I'll have to check some games to see if this bears out. Is this a new theory or something you've seen elsewhere?

It's just logical thinking... Rach wasn't playing a good game. She was widely suspected and had done nothing at all. If she was scum she wouldn't be in a very favorable position and would most likely end up lynched. Her team mates would be pretty aware of that and they'd probably find that it would be better for them in the long term to bus her than to defend her and risk having her flip later.

@Damon (and anyone else I guess): Why does SnowStorm as scum stop voting for talah (who is a pretty ideal lynch for scum as he's actually a good player) and change it to ThAdmiral?

A few reasons I can think of:

a) To encourage another wagon and split up town votes more - causing confusion and small potential for no lynch.

Since when is it better for scum to not lynch than to lynch town?...

@Damon (and anyone else I guess): Why does SnowStorm as scum stop voting for talah (who is a pretty ideal lynch for scum as he's actually a good player) and change it to ThAdmiral?

Because scum do random shit sometimes to look town? Mastin, aptil, and Snork all did the same shit. It doesnt make any of them town.

You make it sound pretty obvious that doing those things didn't make us look town, but you think we'd be dumb enough as scum to still do them with that end in mind?

[SnowStorm]

- Snowstorm doesn't like me because of my behaviour regarding bjc early day 1 but I feel like I've adequately explained my thought process there. He also accused me of going after scummy people, which I'm happy to admit being guilty of.

I don't like you because your behavior towards bjc, which you've adequately explained, was a scummy behavior, which is to say I think there was scum motivation behind it.

When I accuse you of going after scummy people, I mean easy targets, who don't look town but don't necessarily look scum either and that sometimes just have an inherently scummy tone.

You're also fueling suspicion with frustration in the case of your suspicion of bjc and Rach. You said you didn't suspect him and that you only voted him because you didn't like his play. As town you should have put that aside and move on, instead you kept expressing your frustration towards him while you were voting him, which makes no sense to do as town because by doing so you were contributing to a general negative opinion on someone you didn't even suspected, which also helped in creating a distraction in him. I don't care how well you explain this, it was not town play.

You're doing the same thing with Rach. Idk if you actually suspect her or not, but you're expressing frustration towards her town play and towards people town reading her (much like you did with bjc's tow reads). You appear to be frustrated because people are town reading players who, from your POV, do not deserve those town reads, even if they're most likely town. And you're channeling that frustration into your suspicions and votes because that frustration is genuine, which is something a fabricated reason wouldn't be.

[RachMarie]

Way,

Why do you think that AP is scum? What about those voting you (Yates and myself)? What makes AP seem more scummy to you than the two of us, since you are voting him instead of one of those voting for you.

In my case I have a town read on Snork I think he is mistaken but town. But I believe you have indicated you thought those on you were scummy, so why vote for someone NOT on your wagon

The answer to this may very well make a difference in how I am reading you, so answer carefully...

[TheWayItEnds]

Is that a serious question?

Because I dont think you or Yates is scum currently?

Being wrong doesnt make you scum.

[Nero Cain]

As of right now I'm thinking that scum are in

Mister Rogers
Snork
AngryPidgeon
Luca Blight
BipolarChemist
Yates

/talah

PeregrineV
RachMarie
Zdenek

This was my reads list from yesterday. Mastin had asked me about them and I never got a chance to do so, so I will now WITH ADITONS!

I added the bolded.

Alot of these were POE. I rememember liking posts from all of Doc/pisskop, projectmatt, Gant, 4nx, Snowstorm. I remember not caring about Aptil and not seeing him as super scummy. Ditto for Thad and Deas. I liked Talah* and Rogers attack on her was super lame. Like I said, Mastin having some diffrent reads doesn't mean he's scum so meh....

I didn't really like Rogers at all. Other than cluttering up the thread... his early attack on Talah was real lame. His convo/attack on Mastin was deceptive and he seemed more concerned with Mastin, who was in his null/gray pile, then getting his scum reads lynched. This seemed odd to me. I did not like his reaction to my vote. He had kinda a delayed OMGUS type attack on me. His rushing me for reads is something that I think can easily come from scum. He also seemed to WK alot. For example he said he "respected" me, talked about how totally "awesome" ZD's fake vig was and then talked about how wise Thad was in a previous game. His acusation that Luca read as SK was head desk , but to be fair I once tunneled on DV in a game 'cause he made an acusation that this was a multiball game with no evidence that pointed to multiball. I swear 2011-2014 join dates say the strangest things. Anyways, I may have also misinterpreted his actions involving Luca, he clearly wasn't town reading Luca but he was trying hard to scare away Luca voters by claiming they were bussin' and "this is a good place to bus" He also said something along the lines of "hey, we can sort Luca later!" I took this as a maybe Rogers-Luca team but it might have just been scumRogers saving lynch bait for later. I also don't appreciate him claiming that I never gave any reasoning on Mastin; for this I will use quotes.

I don't think Mastin having wierd reads is necessarily an alignment tell.

After this post Rogers is like "well finally you gave reasoning for Mastin. I had to pull teeth to get it!" Which totes ignores

Are you actually asking me if us having different opinions makes Mastin scum? No

Which says practically the same thing in different wording. So was he caught up in the argument or just flat out lying?

And then there was this.

But no, I'm not going to have 5-6 scumreads in a 20 player game.

You should.

Er, no. I'll have precisely the amount of scumspects as I think are scummy. Probably I'll have a 'leftovers' list which contains most if not all of the scumteam. I don't know where you get this theory that I should have more scumreads than is actually possible in a 20 player game. If there are two scumteams it's 'traditionally' harder to find scumspects because scum get to, you know, actually scumhunt the other team.

So please explain why 5-6 scumreads is rational.

Rogers responce to this is again poor.

How about any from you?

I also kinda felt like his replace out was really lame. Could I be reading bad play as scummy? Sure. Too scummy to be scum?

As for PA her taunting me to "be more convincing" doesn't seem all that town to me and I'm a tad bit worried that she doesn't have a scum read on me when she always does as town. I also agree with Snork that her "catchup" is lacking and she seems to lack any "oomph". As I mentioned her post about Snork not being able to fake his agression as scum is p meh. I also don't like her suggestion that SnowStorm was egging on Snork.

I think Blight was exactly that, a blight upon the thread. Obviously it was wrong but I actully do not care that he's dead.

I now think Rach is town.

ZD was on my list purely for his Rogers connection.

Ditto for Snork but Snorks entire conversation with me yesterday is all kinds of bad. His attack on Rach isn't to good but I could see where it makes sense to him. Him scum reading Rach for doing jack squat yesterday but ignoring Luca's play is p hypocritical. He also joined Rogers in implying an SK was in the setup. I did, however, like two of Snorks posts from the tail end of yesterday. I'm kinda worried about his switch to me and all the sudden thinkin' I made good points on Rogers. Him being all like "I didn't want to lynch Luca 'cause my scum reads were on him." But he's indiffrent to Thad being on the Rach wagon is kinda meh. Feel like the "well it didn't work yesterday" is eh excuse. Like I said, I also agree with AP about him hard reset for little to no reason. He could just be busy but he seems to "have run out of steam", he's also sitting on Rach when there's like a 0% chance that Rach is getting lynched.

My read on Bipolar had to do with (what I felt) his bad vote on Mastin. I didn't like him posting it up on site chat instead of posting here. That USED to be a pretty big scumtell but I see more and more players doing annoying anti-town shit like that so meh. Looking at his catchup post...

I found Mister Rogers the same way, I liked his reads and they feel honest, and he's very contributive

And yet he was voting Rogers in #80.

So far Egg is ok...but unless start seeing more effort I'll prob want that dead. His latest post is pretty meh though.

PV is gut. I have not been impressed with him at all. He was tunneling on BJC most of day 1 wich seems a bit unPV like.

The Yates town that I know and hate is way more active and wants to be in the forefront of the game. He's basicly been on V/LA this whole game so that point won't stick. Fake derp is a big part of his scum game so things like arguing that Pisskop was avoiding this game but posting elsewhere and that "TWIE is where I expect to find scum" are both pretty head desk. I also kinda got the vibe that he wasn't really hunting; he sits on PV a large part of d1 and says this

Uh. How am I "advocating" a Pere lynch? My vote? You realize votes are scum hunting tools, right? My vote is on Pere specifically because I'm in the process of determining his alignment.

to be fair it WAS page 13 but the whole vote but not advocating his lynch seems silly to me.

And when he votes Luca he says

A little motivation to get scum hunting a bit sooner than later

and this for BJC

Is voting for you the only way to extract content?

+ I have a secret

I'll ISO AP later and go more in depth but just briefly I didn't get the same AP feel I've gotten from him as town (but that could be that I was gone a chunk of d1), some of his posts have been pretty dumb, when he got inbetween the whole Snork and Thad vs. Nero and RM fight he seemed like he was trying to reach across the asile and play

Obama

mediator. I 100% hate his attempted discredit by saying that I always have a scum read on him.

If I was wrong on anyone its likely going to be in Thad/DV. I've already talked about Thad extensively but like Snork he's sitting on a wagon that's not going to go through.

My only paranoia about DV is that I do scum read this guy like all the time, and well...I don't really have a strong scum read on him this game so I'm worried that I'm wrong and that he's trying to look townie 'cause he's scum.

on the fence about Mastin and need to reread Gant (his strong town read on Aptil really baffles me but I don't remember anything else that I really hate) and Matt.

So.....Snork/PA/Yates/AP/PV/Thad is kinda my lynch list right now.

[RachMarie]

Luca Blight

[11 votes] (projectmatt, Damon_Gant, DeasVail, RachMarie, Yates,

talah,

ThAdmiral, SnowStorm, Nero Cain, penguin_alien, aptil) [LYNCH]

talah

[7 votes] (AngryPidgeon, PeregrineV,

Luca Blight

, Snork,

Zdenek,

4nxi3ty, BipolarChemist)

VC with the flips on the two town wagons.

Luca Wagon (bolded are ones I think are town or know are town)

projectmatt,
Damon_Gant,
DeasVail,

RachMarie,

Yates,

talah,

ThAdmiral,
SnowStorm,

Nero Cain,

penguin_alien,

aptil)

Talah Wagon (bolded are ones I think are town or know are town)

(AngryPidgeon,

PeregrineV,

Luca Blight

,

Snork,

Zdenek,

4nxi3ty,
BipolarChemist) (now Egg)

This leaves 5 on the Luca wagon that are either scummy to me or I am still working on. And 2 on the Talah wagon. Plus the already mentioned 2 that were off both wagons.

I am town reading Mastin at this point, though it is a weak town read and I need to see more from her.

I definitely need more from DV, not feeling a strong towny vibe from him.

Not feeling a strong towny vibe from Thad either this does not feel like his game in other games we have been in together.

Need to read through Matt, Snow, and Gant I will say that where Thad and Snow are, are great places for a scum vote, not starting the wagon, not being the hammer but somewhere close to the end.

I think there is also good reason to suspect 4n as well. I need to read through Egg's comments, but not liking his placement on the Talah wagon either.


Sorry for the huge wall, but with being sick n all and going V/LA I wanted to do a more comprehensive catchup, especially since many of you feel I have not contributed enough. I hope this huge wall helps you to see my PoV and thinking processes a bit more clearly.

[RachMarie]

Now next question Way,

Why do you think Yates or I are not scum? Why are you town reading us?

Considering both of us have not been super active in the game so far due to RL issues.

[Nero Cain]

We can add Mastin to that lynch list as well.

[ThAdmiral]

Like, seriously - if you think bad cases being pushed against someone makes them town I should be among your top townreads.

Thad, did you go back and look up the people voting you or did you remember that all off the top of your head?

Bit of column A, bit of column B.

Nero

: Has tunnelled the Mister Rogers/penguin_alien slot. Really difficult for me to get a read on.

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That might have been true yesterday but he's been on me and snork more today.

Good post otherwise. It reads genuine.

[ThAdmiral]

You're also fueling suspicion with frustration in the case of your suspicion of bjc and Rach. You said you didn't suspect him and that you only voted him because you didn't like his play. As town you should have put that aside and move on, instead you kept expressing your frustration towards him while you were voting him, which makes no sense to do as town because by doing so you were contributing to a general negative opinion on someone you didn't even suspected, which also helped in creating a distraction in him. I don't care how well you explain this, it was not town play.

It was the first few pages of day 1. I didn't have a proper suspicion on anyone! But I was happy to keep my vote on bjc because I didn't like his scum-claim, and I also didn't like his response to people voting him. It was a good a place as any to keep my vote, and far better than most.

You're doing the same thing with Rach. Idk if you actually suspect her or not, but you're expressing frustration towards her town play and towards people town reading her (much like you did with bjc's tow reads). You appear to be frustrated because people are town reading players who, from your POV, do not deserve those town reads, even if they're most likely town. And you're channeling that frustration into your suspicions and votes because that frustration is genuine, which is something a fabricated reason wouldn't be.

Yes I'm frustrated people are town-reading rach because of reasons like nero's "snork and thad's case is bad = rach is town", a bunch of people saying "rach is town coz nero sez", and your:

Snork is still a strong town read. I agree with his reasons to suspect Rach, but I am not comfortable with lynching her. I find the amount of town reads on her pretty odd, I mean, considering how scummy her posts are. So I'm inclined to believe Rach is town.

I mean you agree with snorks case. If I remember correctly you were suspicious of rach's behavior day one as well, but because people are townreading her for no apparent reason you also think she is town.
It fucking boggles the mind.

[Nero Cain]

So Thad, if a case was being pushed on me for something that I didn't do you'd think I was scummy right?