Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

I'm p sure their trolling here reads scum.

He has fewer posts than I do this game.

IIRC he has a major activity meta-tell.

That just indicates that he's disinterested with the game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?

I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.

Like this is the most loaded language and forced scumread. This isn't scumhunting although the way its asked is like hes trying t oappear to be scumhunting.

What's an AP alt btw?

What. Just saw this.

I dunno, Im not going to quote the shit from his ISO I don't like. But it really does not look like this player has any interest in finding scum, rather making cheap cases and throwaway observations about people.

[Mac]

Desp - what made you feel AP was town from his entrance?

I don't disagree, but I'm more curious

[Titan]

Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?

I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.

Like this is the most loaded language and forced scumread. This isn't scumhunting although the way its asked is like hes trying t oappear to be scumhunting.

Actually no the way it is worded indicates the HIDDEN, ALT player is attempting a new playstyle.

[Just Sheep Us]

I'm p sure their trolling here reads scum.

He has fewer posts than I do this game.

IIRC he has a major activity meta-tell.

That just indicates that he's disinterested with the game?

I recall an argument in Anything Goes with kuribo and him about this b/c kuribo said "lol if u scum I'll tell b/c town you will lurk to replacement" and I was like "lol trust tells OP," but I can't find it now because fuck it I'm not going through a 9 page triple ISO.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey uh mastin. Your vote on me sucks. Whats up with that?

Weeeeeeeeeell...it did. And then you had to do that thing I do when I'm actually scum, especially scum replacing in. So it doesn't anymore.

MAstin, THIS is the cheekiest post I've ever read. Calling me cheeky, Im gonna go cry now. Also if you are scum this is already masterful.

[AngryPidgeon]

Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?

I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.

Like this is the most loaded language and forced scumread. This isn't scumhunting although the way its asked is like hes trying t oappear to be scumhunting.

Actually no the way it is worded indicates the HIDDEN, ALT player is attempting a new playstyle.

No Im not going to excuse scummy posting with a "hidden alt" defense.

[AngryPidgeon]

In fact that LB isn't a newbie just makes that even worse.

[Titan]

I mean the right accusation if you really think LB is scum would be to say he's trying to pull the newbie card but even that I don't really see

pedit: well yeah

[AngryPidgeon]

There is no "right accusation", what? Thats like what scum would say when they are upset you read them correctly over shitmeta.

His attention doesn't look natural and a lot of his points (when he actually does them) are overly forced. Do you think LB has shown interest in scumhunting at all?

[AngryPidgeon]

Whats your case on the bois?

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 1-8

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

CupcakePanda (1): Lord Business
PeregrineV (1): Red Gyarados
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda. Carbon Fiber
Just Sheep Us (1): Titan
Carbon Fiber (1): Mac
Yukari Yamoto (1): Breakfast With Stalin
AngryPidgeon (2): Rancid Broderick Drake, The Fox and the Hound,

MastinSSK

The Fox and the Hound (3): Kagura, orcinus_theoriginal, AngryPidgeon


With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

[PeregrineV]

FUCK IT THIS TIME THIS WILL BE AN ACTUAL VC GOD I AM A HORRIBLE MOD

You should get one of those sidekick mods.

[CarbonFiber]

What do you mean by me "building my game" around Tammy? You've mentioned this before but as far as I recall, I spent plenty of time reading several players in the game. I think you've mentioned this phrase before with regard to Bert but I am not quite sure what you are referring to. As far as developing quick reads, I try to develop reads on players easily readable so I can work with them. If someone I work well with is hard to read (like Nacho), I sometimes invert that like in NY169 where I made that deal although I decided that's probably a bad idea.
~ F-16

Your read of Tammy seemed like your highest priority in NY 169, and it seemed/seems the same here. Read priority is part of it, but from there you aggressively townbloc based on her reads, and in NY169 you did so by excluding players (mainly Mara/Cabd, who were bleeding PR tells) who didn't agree with you about her and that she was scumreading because of their push on her. You scumread them and I think at one point on day 1 were trying to drum up a wagon on them.

Anyway, I may be seeing parallels that aren't really all that strong here.

So, I re-read NY169 and I am pretty sure I townblocked based on my own reads so I am not sure what parallels you were looking for but I think you misunderstood how I developed my reads. I had about 5 solid townreads: your slot, Tammy, Desperado, Pieguyn, Bert. No one else really influenced those reads and I pretty much came up with them myself and I remember both you and Tammy were gut-scumreading Pieguyn and Desperado but I was arguing for them (mostly Pie) being town and attempting to persuade the others. I tend to re-evaluate reads if my townreads disagree with me if I am not confident about them. But if I am, I am usually the one persuading the others to lay off and it shows more with my townreads i.e. I am more stubborn about derailing bad lynches than caring too much about which of my non-townreads are lynched.

As for read priority, it depends on the game. I read players that I find easiest to read first and then move onto harder to read players. I'll consider their opinions but I wouldn't townbloc based on their reads if I didn't agree with them. I use it more as a springboard for re-evaluating reads and meta-diving.

I was wrong about Maraca but I was scumreading them for a while and they too were scumreading me and we were locked onto a mutual tunnel. I am not sure what you mean by "excluding players" from a townbloc. I wasn't trying to exclude them so much as (incorrectly) pushing their wagon. That's also probably the only read I was ridiculously off on D1 on. I think you are wrong about your expectations of what parallels to look for and you shouldn't be expecting me to townbloc based on other player's reads because that isn't how I play the game.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

Why is mastins vote crossed out and on red?

[MastinSSK]

Wait are you serious.

Yes.

Dead-serious. AP is scum. I really really wish he wasn't. But he is.

It wasn't just the entrance post. It was all of his posts, combined not with the actual entrance post, so much as how said post was done.

Mastin, this looks a lot like you from Game of Champions.

You mean the game where I correctly pegged you immediately as scum, but backed out of it later-on? And where I read too much into your interactions with others?

That game?

Well, then, yes. It is a lot alike; the difference being that this time, I'm not backing down and I'm not going to let your trolling interfere with my reads on other players. (And vice-versa.)

Stop confirmation biasing on me over air and calm down.

This is me calmed down, AP.
MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER.
I want to read you as town.
More than any other player, I love to have a town you to blaze with. I love bouncing ideas off of you, to be there scumhunting with you. And even though we can get paranoid of each other, we still make a dang-good team. Shos's game being the most recent example. More than any other player, I would love to have you be there. I'd love to confbias you...to be town.

But I don't have that luxury. Because simply put? This? This...isn't a town-you. And your play here is making that progressively more obvious. I really wanted to be wrong about that. But I'm not. You're trying to buddy me. You're trying to sway me. But the town-you that I normally pick up on simply isn't there. AND I'M LOOKING FOR IT. REALLY DANG HARD. TRYING. TO. SEE. ANYTHING. A spec. That's all I'd require. Some morsel of doubt about you.

...There is none. Not out of confbias. Simply because...your game here isn't being town. It's meant to look town. And it's doing an apparently-decent job given the sudden waves of townreads on you, but...it's not. actually. town.

Trolling isn't a scumtell for me...at all and Im actually pretty amused to have such an elaborate greeting from you, but you are wrong?

For instance, a town-you I don't think would make the assumption that me quoting your opening post means I'm scumreading you for trolling. Especially not knowing me and knowing that, well, I communicate a lot through subtext and through tracking trains of thought. (In this case, indicating the beginning of a long spiral of scum-oriented talks.)

AP r u town

No, no, he isn't.

I'm preeeetty town this game, dunno how my opening posts didn't make that blazingly obvious. I cant claim town any harder than I already am.

Except that your saying this feels empty. See this? This is the type of posting I mean when I say, "I'm so obvscum it's painful, but switching 'scum' with 'town' might make nobody notice". Hollow, empty. The words don't feel genuine. Like...there are town entrances. There are town ways of doing what you did. And this...wasn't that.

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
3 Yukari Yakumo
4 orcinus_theoriginal
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
11 Lord Business
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
14 Cupcake Panda
15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton
17 Mac

Probtown
Lord Business
Carbon Fiber
Clyton

Next level town
Titan
orcinus

Null on town side
Kagura or Yakumo
Mac
Red Gyarados
Stalin
Fox Hound

Null on scum side
Kagura or Yakumo
Cupcake
Just Sheep
Rancid

You're missing us.

I have this in my catchup wall somewhere, but Cupcake's super obvtown and the mislynch bait that's probably going to get lynched this game despite me pointing out why it's obvtown.

AP, I can understand misreading. (I kinda get the impression he's going to give up on trying to convince me so he can pull the long-con of others.) But why is Cupcake so town?

I skimmed MAc's ISO, seems fairly town to me. The rhyming is bound to get him attention so lightly town on him for that alone. I like where his attention is, hes being proactive, and feels open in general
There are a few small things in there that are just reallly unlikely to come from scum actually. At least from MOST scum players.

Lord Business looks pretty terrible from what I've seen.

This stuff is mostly null; AP would say it regardless of his alignment. But something here

is

pinging me; I'm not sure. I think it's the horribad LB read.

MAstin, THIS is the cheekiest post I've ever read. Calling me cheeky, Im gonna go cry now. Also if you are scum this is already masterful.

YOU. ARE. BEING. A. CHEEKY. SCUMFUCK.

Why is mastins vote crossed out and on red?

Read the thread; you'll figure it out. (Nobody tell him.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

VOTE: PeregrineV

I rather would entreat thy company
To see the wonders of the world abroad,
Than, living dully sluggardized at home,
Wear out thy youth with shapeless idleness.

[PeregrineV]

Why is mastins vote crossed out and on red?

764 etc.

[PeregrineV]

You're missing us.

Null on town side

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: PeregrineV

I rather would entreat thy company
To see the wonders of the world abroad,
Than, living dully sluggardized at home,
Wear out thy youth with shapeless idleness.

Sure, let's go to Moscow.

[MastinSSK]

VOTE: PeregrineV

PV's null (on town side), and I don't see pressuring him doing anything.

How 'bout AP?

You're missing us.

Null on town side

Also realized you're missing ElementalHawk/AP.

[CarbonFiber]

Mastin, I have a few questions if you are still here.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

Dead-serious. AP is scum. I really really wish he wasn't. But he is.

I'm really really town though.

You mean the game where I correctly pegged you immediately as scum, but backed out of it later-on? And where I read too much into your interactions with others?

That game?

Well, then, yes. It is a lot alike

Yes that game. They are also a lot alike in that you are pretty fucking town, but you have devolved into howling about me being obvious scum. You aren't going to get anywhere doing this; actually take a step back and take a breath. Reminder: in GoC mafia you went so insane that people stopped listening to your posts and you managed to not do anything pro-town while tunneling on me.

This is me calmed down, AP.
MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER.
I want to read you as town.
More than any other player, I love to have a town you to blaze with.

EVERYTHING I'VE DONE PROBABLY LOOKS TOWN BECAUSE IT IS, MASTIN. If you were levelheaded you wouldn't be doing a quotestirip response to me in which you Call. All. My. Posts. Cheeky. Its anti town regardless (and in this instance) you arent even right.

Trolling isn't a scumtell for me...at all and Im actually pretty amused to have such an elaborate greeting from you, but you are wrong?

For instance, a town-you I don't think would make the assumption that me quoting your opening post means I'm scumreading you for trolling. Especially not knowing me and knowing that, well, I communicate a lot through subtext and through tracking trains of thought. (

In this case, indicating the beginning of a long spiral of scum-oriented talks

.)

Underlined: YOU ARE THE ONE WALLING ABOUT "WOE IS ME, AP COULD HAVE BEEN TOWN BUT HE ISNT ALAS POOR AP, I KNEW HIM".

I did not make any assumption about your read on me. Im annoyed that you are doing this and hoping to get to the bottom of why you are deadset on me. So explain? We DO communicate on a more subconscious level and I DO expect you to read me right, which you ARENT.

This stuff is mostly null; AP would say it regardless of his alignment. But something here is pinging me; I'm not sure. I think it's the horribad LB read.

Why do you disagree about LB? And my post on Mac IS the townposting you are supposedly looking for.

[PeregrineV]

Also realized you're missing ElementalHawk/AP.

Null on scum side

[Cabd]

Votecount 1-9

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

CupcakePanda (1): Lord Business
PeregrineV (2): Red Gyarados, Breakfast With Stalin
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber
Just Sheep Us (1): Titan
Carbon Fiber (1): Mac
AngryPidgeon (2): Rancid Broderick Drake, The Fox and the Hound,

MastinSSK

The Fox and the Hound (3): Kagura, orcinus_theoriginal, AngryPidgeon

Not Voting (4): Yukari Yakumo, Just Sheep Us, Clyton, PeregrineV

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)