NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Nero Cain]

(I barely read pisskops posts)

Why did you read his posts?

[Yates]

It seems like the logical think to do would be do check his on site activity or have you started posting random things?

He posted a V/LA. He wasn't posting. I'm not in other games with him. I believed his V/LA. *shrug*

[TheWayItEnds]

Why did I? or why didnt I?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why did I? or why didnt I?

[TheWayItEnds]

Thats what you want to comment on huh AP? Me clarifying a question?

[Nero Cain]

It seems like the logical think to do would be do check his on site activity or have you started posting random things?

He posted a V/LA. He wasn't posting. I'm not in other games with him. I believed his V/LA. *shrug*

I'm not in any games with him either but I have eyes.

Why did I? or why didnt I?

^^^^
this

WHY DID YOU?

[Nero Cain]

It seems like the logical think to do would be do check his on site activity or have you started posting random things?

He posted a V/LA. He wasn't posting. I'm not in other games with him. I believed his V/LA. *shrug*

I'm not in any games with him either but I have eyes.

Why did I? or why didnt I?

^^^^
this

WHY DID YOU?

[AngryPidgeon]

> Implying that I DONT comment on literally everything in the thread as is. I'll post more when Im actually home, wow.

Yes Im commenting on you not answering a question that you could easily just answer AND clarify how much of pisskop you read in the same stride.

[Nero Cain]

Thats what you want to comment on huh AP? Me clarifying a question?

[Nero Cain]

Yes Im commenting on you not answering a question that you could easily just answer AND clarify how much of pisskop you read in the same stride.

I only asked why he read his slots ISO, how MUCH he read seems irrelevant.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya ^, but him asking did you mean why "DID' I read or why "DIDN'T" I read is dumb since he could just tell us instead of asking a question that seems irrelevant.

[Nero Cain]

vote: TWIE

[Nero Cain]

vote: TWIE

[TheWayItEnds]

Right but i could see a quote of me saying I barely read my predecessor and the question why didnt you read him just as easily juxtaposed as the one that was asked.

I read him because I was reading the game before I offered to replace in. Then I saw the replacement request and offered to replace in and then skimmed the rest of his posts.

[Nero Cain]

If TWIE is scum do you think Yates could have been distancing himself here?

[Yates]

I *just* decided TWIE isn't worth lynching today... wtf...

[TheWayItEnds]

I guess I don't follow.

Not wanting to blind replace into a game makes me scum?

[DeasVail]

I am not sure that TWIE and AP can be scumbuddies and TWIE's recent posting along with rising concerns that I'm conf. biasing on AP has me wanting to go here.

Unvote: AngryPidgeon
Vote: TheWayItEnds

I am still unsure of AP and so would still be happy to discuss concerns about him, but I do feel more confident of a TWIE scumflip.

[mastin2]

Have a little less than an hour, so probably won't get fully caught up, but I'll get as far as I can.

Anxiety seems pretty town? I dont see what Im missing here.

I don't really see what there is to miss. His play just...isn't town. I'm not seeing a town train of thought. The mindset seems to be scum aiming for a mislynch, in the background, manipulating, rather than town actually scumhunting.

This is exactly what mastin did last time I ran into scum-her, called people scum because they were scum, or scum because they weren't town.

And I insisted back then that it wasn't a scumtell, didn't I? Like I said, it's actually something that I copied from my town meta. Like this game. The NORM is for me-as-scum to have ease explaining the read, and as town to have trouble with it. The EXCEPTION is for me-as-town to have ease explaining the read and as scum have trouble with it.

It

was

vanity, as far as I'm concerned the whole charade of staying off the main wagons was vanity for all those involved, and it's the kind of posturing that I am wary of.

Except I was right: Both wagons were on town. Thus, attempting to get a wagon

not

on one of them wasn't vanity; it was sanity.

Wow, I didn't realise this! Both wagons did turn out to be on town! Well I'll be blown. Of course, you placed your vote on another incorrect wagon so whatever. As I said, I think not being on either of those two wagons on Day 1 does not even begin to give town cred of any sort. The most likely people to be "right" about that sort of thing are scum in my opinion.

Later in that post you did say possibly the first thing I agree with you about though. SnowStorm's recent posting has been very scummy in my eyes. This is a lead I'm going to chase down and try and pinpoint exactly

what

has changed about SnowStorm's posting that has made me feel like this, because I don't find reasonless accusations of scumminess to be very useful.

Still sounds like just as much the cheeky scumbag he was yesterday, by the way.

OK, out of three replacements
Egg for BiPolar
Penguin for MisterRogers
Way It Ends for pisskop

I remember Egg's entrance and find it the most town. It comes in and scumhunts. Expecting more...*hint hint*
and maybe I misread, but don't recall the Penguin or WayItEnds entrance. Probably just misread. Will go find it.
Meanwhile,

vote: 4nxi3ty

:goodposting:

Projectmatt looks scum from just the single post on the last page. Wishy-washy reads even after so many pages of content. Most of the players are in an uncertain pile.

Very well could be, but eh, not sure.

/82.

[mastin2]

How did Wayitends enter the game and not given opinions on anything and also not be held accountable for doing so?

Because people were too absorbed in TownvTown fighting? The whole Rach debate with Nero, AP, ThAd, Snork and such was at about that time; they were too focused on each other to see the actual scum.

Yo Penguin, your entry was a little less bad, but your lack of Yates followup/followthrough bothers me.
Let's see follow-up on 1662.

(PV's town, by the way.)

You've seen my scumgame, so what's up?

A player doesn't need to have seen your scumgame (though I have, actually) to tell you're scum.

penguin_alien - I dislike her posts about mastin. She seems somewhat undecided on mastin and shows no real interest in talking to her to resolve that.

This is a fairly good towntell for her?

Egg - Egg has done fuck-all so far, but replaced BipolarChemist so Scummy.

Like hell he is. This is the same Egg from Hard-Boiled, and BipolarChemist was obvtown.

Damon_Gant - Actually back to leaning town here on an ISO skim. Dont at all get what mastin is seeing here and she should back that up.
4nxi3ty - Suspicion on Snowstorm is town as fuck, since that is something townies tend to be paranoid about. Could be dropping fake tells as scum, but strongly doubt it. Reaction to pressure has felt genuine.

Same deal for both reads. I really, really don't see the town in them. Both are basically tripping all sorts of alarm bells in all their posting. I really wish I could more easily explain that.

ThAdmiral - Meh?

Not meh, town. ThAd's posting is kinda eeeeeeeeeeeehh stance-wise, but it looks really, really legitimate, and while I don't agree with his reads, I understand the reasons for them basically perfectly and can track his mindset.

Vote: SnowStorm

VOTE: 4nxi3ty.
I don't think that a Damonxi3ty scumteam with Snowstorm on it would be bussing them. And I can't really remember the reasoning I had for Snowstorm being scum, but I can still see these two as scum.

I expect some indignant rebuttal whenever she posts again, possibly with a side order of, 'but I don't repeat strategies!' WIFOM.

Well, you'll be sorely disappointed, since that's my scum meta.

As far as her jumping on SnowStorm, if she wants to bus, who am I to interfere?

This is the first thing about PA that has me concerned, since she knows that while I'm not going to never-bus, I have a strong distaste for it; casually hopping onto a scumbuddy isn't exactly my thing.

Snow/TWIE team calling it now. That awkward chainsaw/bus is just too much.

TWIE, sure. Snow, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

I'll get back to you on that.

Snow is town.

I skimmed his posts, but they actually looked fine to me. Not super-mega-town, but definitely on the town side of null. Not getting the suspicion, there.

Rach strikes me like the kind of player who'd be easy for scum to push a lynch on and I think some have said something around the lines of her being an easy target. That goes for both alignments. If she's town, scum could just go from what Snork has brought up to push for her lynch, I think Snork's suspicion of her looks pretty genuine and I actually agree with most of the points he has raised against her, so it wouldn't be hard for scum to fake suspicion on her. I think the only thing that's stopping them from doing it is the ammount of town reads she has gotten from meta or no reasons at all. It's safer for them to just go along and town read her too (at least for now). If she was scum, first, I don't believe she'd have this many town reads, second, even if she had a good number of town reads coming from town, I don't think scum would join in, I'd expect some weak scum reads floating around, after all, she'd still be pretty scummy and it wouldn't be unlikely to think that people could change their minds on her/figure out she was scum and lynch her, that way they'd get some town cred and some fingers to point at post-flip. I mean, it wouldn't matter how many town reads she had on her now, if she kept playing like this she'd be bus material.

And I really liked this, too.

/84.

[mastin2]

I want to exclude the following players from a lynch today:
Penguin
Snork
Egg
Nero Cain
Aptil
Yates
PeregrineV
RachMarie
ThAdmiral

Projectmatt
Mastin2

The last two here are probably a tier below the others, but I actually thought Matt's last post was much more town than scum (contrary to popular opinion) and I think mastin's read of me is quite genuine (I feel he could easily just scumread me if he were scum) and I have no problem with the rest of his posts.

That leaves me:
TheWayItEnds
AngryPidgeon
SnowStorm
Damon_Gant
4nxi3ty

DV's town or just about the most blatant sheeper of my reads ever, since this is basically exactly what my thoughts have been.

Man you're right. I'm totally trying to hide. Thats why I keep posting sarcastic replies to your terrible posts today. I also do have some pretty solid reads to the tune of 3 town and 2 scum that i would like lynched today as well as 2 others that i would be fine with lynching that i've just mentioned in my wall literally 1 page ago.

In other news pisskop stopped posting on page 52 before he was replaced. So you know... 18 pages before you lynched someone. Where 7 people were still not on either of the leading wagons. With his vote that he hasn't moved since page 29. What a calculated way to stay off the leading wagons, by replacing out of 3 games so that he wouldn't have to place a vote on either candidate. Fucking pisskop. So next level.

Its like you've literally put in no effort today and by just saying pisskops name in the thread you can make me scum. Seriously put any effort into this game, or get lynched. I'm really starting to not care which.

And seriously if the case against me is that one of the 2 people off the scum wagon HAS to be scum because fucking RachMarie the paragon of scum hunters said so and pisskop was lurky which is waaaaay worse than mastin being V/LA all of day 1 (because we were the only 2 people not on a wagon, and theres LITERALLY ZERO chance of one of us not being scum), so it has so be him even though he wasnt around during the time period that the lynch was occuring...

Looks like you got me.

VOTE: TheWayItEnds.

SnowStorm [5 votes] (penguin_alien, 4nxi3ty, Angry Pidgeon, mastin2, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [3 votes] (SnowStorm, aptil, Nero Cain)

Why is it that for two days in a row, I've thought both lead wagons sucked?

want to see what's up here, especially with why she voted snowstorm over me.

Dunno, can't remember.

VOTE: 4nxi3ty.

/86.

[mastin2]

btw, so you know, I think your hops on luca, rach, and snowstorm are

interesting

along with mastin's scumread of you.

Define interesting.

Damon might actually be town. I like more of his reads than I don't.

If this is still valid, Nero (tell me if it's not), then I'll give it a more detailed look later. I might be in the mood to just sheep someone and you're a better bet than most.

Rach's analysis strongly looks town, too.

MAstin, are you still in this game?

Technically, yes. The mod didn't send a second prod thanks to V/LA, and I promised posting later tonight.

Truthfully...well. *points to posting*
...I'm feeling a deep disconnect with the game. Not The Fall levels of bad, not even close, but...loosely akin to that? Like...there's the feeling I can do good, but...that I'm not able to do it, if that makes sense.

Want to vote Mastin, but don't like 4nxiety on there.....

Simple solution, vote 4nxi3ty.

...Though I'm considering going back to TWIE.

mastin, damon, snow, thad, matt are all lynchable to me to some degree. I think a mastin lynch is the right play. The getting into 1v1 with talah -> coming back "remembering talah as town" -> voting talah -> then defending moments before lynch doesn't read as natural change of mind. Tone feels manipulative too.

Or not.

Would prefer Mastin, maybe TheWayitEnds(torn on this slot), maybe anxiety but I think Snow is town, and Egg/BiPolar as town (but agree that now-Egg silence is bothersome). Matt would be a less preferable but currently acceptable.

Honestly, I agree with just about everything here. (Yes, including the bit about me being an okay lynch.)

/88.

[mastin2]

I don't think I've ever recalled a Mastin lurker lynch.

The Fall.

Based on your Mastin experience, do you think this would result in a town or scum Mastin?

Not that it really matters coming from *ME*, but it is something that I do as town more than scum. 'Cause as scum, I lead scumteams. Meaning I'm typically at the front activity-wise. As town, not so much, and it's much easier to become detached from reality, to get into my own world and struggle to get back. So in my personal experience, yes, it comes more from a town Mastin.

mastin hasn't site flaked...

No, but honestly, I've come close.

[mastin2]

VOTE: TheWayItEnds.

[Snork]

Can someone who has played a lot with AngryPidgeon explain why he is scum please? Because I think he's town.

Not well. It got really busy at work and I've gotten a bit overwhelmed with this game. I've just been skimming and seeing who is voting for who and trying to quickly find why, but it's not really helping as I have had like zero time buuuuuuut that's over on Wednesday.

I asked about the AP scum reads because that was what I was most interested in, and didn't see an answer but if I missed it I'll catch it on my read through tomorrow. I can understand why people are scumreading pisskop slot but I don't agree. Other than those two, I don't really know what's going on right now, and didn't feel it was fair to post comments or get into a discussion with someone without actually having read the last few pages or being able to contribute my opinions about them.