Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

Also mastin, for shame. You do that exact thing as BOTH alignments so your push here is extra heaping amounts of bad.

[Kagura]

You wouldnt do that unless there was more than one QT. Its a subconscious thing. So what is this other QT you posted in for this game

Are you actually fucking serious?

Because the actual inference you should be making there is there is a hydra QT

for some other game

since that is where the clarifying inflection happened that even you italicized (there isn't) or that I just decided to type that because I don't actually have to have a reason to type that - it's just what I typed there and I have no profound explanation for it.

I've seen dumb angles before but fucking wow.

-b

[AngryPidgeon]

Are you actually fucking serious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9wmczxnT3c

[Kagura]

cool man

-b

[AngryPidgeon]

Because the actual inference you should be making there is there is a hydra QT for some other game since that is where the clarifying inflection happened that even you italicized (there isn't) or that I just decided to type that because I don't actually have to have a reason to type that - it's just what I typed there and I have no profound explanation for it.

Lol.

You and Nacho have a QT. One QT. Just a singular QT. One.

People with one thing, dont qualify it when talking about it. Its "The Hydra QT".

Suddenly saying "the QT.. FOR THIS GAME" means there is more than one QT and you felt the need to subconsciously specify which Nacho/Bork QT you were posting in. The one for this game. The scum QT. The OTHER GAME Qt is probably, you know, the zelda one.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ok, so bork is town, AP.

[Kagura]

You and Nacho have a QT. One QT. Just a singular QT. One.

Yep, it was the zelda QT and became the this game QT. Sometimes we talk on gchat/skype too!

People with one thing, dont qualify it when talking about it. Its "The Hydra QT".

Uh, English motherfucker?

If you were expecting "The QT" and got "The hydra QT", that is the point where you get to make the argument that "haha you have more than one QT" and have it not be objectively wrong (but still dumb as shit as a slip)

Saying "The hydra QT

for this game

" just

possibly

(not necessarily) indicates that there may be a hydra QT for some other game.

I can't believe this conversation had to happen.

-b

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ffery, where are you and Beli at with your scumreads?

~ F-16

Not that different from last time. I might put up a reads list later today, but I'm still trying to digest some of the last couple days' posts.

[CarbonFiber]

Ok, I'll ISO RBD with this post in mind in a bit. I mean, mastin is pretty town though and I wouldnt describe what I've seen from RBD->mastin as buddying, rather townblocking? Their attitude towards mastin is a pretty fucking hardsell to assume mastin town, RBD scum.

I don't like this post. Clearly you are aware that town work with each other and collaborate. Yet, you are pointing out CF-Titan interactions as "cozying up" as opposed to two players townblocking. I initially thought you were joking but after seeing you are serious and seeing that you understand that town work with each other, I don't like your previous post.

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I'll look into the Xenogears game when I find some time. But I am holding onto my Fox read. I'd like to hear Nacho's read on DV as well since he was scumreading them.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes the difference being that rbd is blatantly town and showing no subtlety in defending mastin.

You are buttering tammy up by reminiscing about games she won as town, irrelevantly.

[The Fox and the Hound]

The only player in this game actually deserving of being called obvtown is Tammy.

Personally I think F-16 is almost as strongly town, but it's not "obv" or everyone would agree to it.

[Titan]

I initially put the vote down on the Prohawk hydra for two reasons;

Partially because I thought they were scummy as fuck (which I'll get to in a minute) and partially because I had a scum read on FoxHound and I thought if I was right about Hawk being scum, FoxHound were going to bus them after I put my vote down on Hawk. Because Cephrir has a similar scum playstyle to mine in that he's not strictly a busser, but he's a flow-busser. When he senses weakness in a buddy and senses the flow of opinions tending towards a buddy, he jumps on the bus at an early venture for all the town cred it's worth. It's what I do as scum and I am fairly sure Cephrir is as adept as I am at reading flow since he does it as scum as well. I changed the flow of things slightly with my Hawk vote deliberately to see whether he was going to flow-bus Hawkie, and like clockwork, their vote came. I know it was DV who did it, but given he said Cephrir gave him the go-ahead, that's as good as Cephrir doing it.

When AP flips scum, FoxHound needs to be buried the next day.

And anyone who honestly thinks AP looks town from his entrance is either dumb or scum. Mastin is fucking right about AP. That wasn't a town entrance, and nothing he's done since then looks town.

Prohawk was scum. AP is scum.

The only reason NOT to lynch them today is because BRO is basically the most obvscum he's even been in a game.

This is just a reminder for myself that it's something I want to look back at when I have more time.

And geezuz fuck, I realize I'm the queen of over posting, but if you people keep producing pages this fast I will never catch up.

[CarbonFiber]

Yes the difference being that rbd is blatantly town and showing no subtlety in defending mastin.

You are buttering tammy up by reminiscing about games she won as town, irrelevantly.

It is not that she necessarily won the game, it was that I read the game and enjoyed the way it was solved by the town so I mentioned it. The game was relevant because I intend to discuss DeasVail's meta when I get a chance a re-read it and have some thoughts. I don't really care if she won or lost the game. I would have mentioned my thoughts about it if I felt like it. It is still a good meta-reference.

I think you were probably talking about a different thing in reference to RBD/MastinSSK but when I talk about townblocking, I am talking about mutual townreads bouncing reads off of each other and refining them, sometimes based on past games that both have played in or spectated. I find it incredibly pro-town, no one is perfect and having second opinions always helps.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

It is not that she necessarily won the game, it was that I read the game and enjoyed the way it was solved by the town so I mentioned it. The game was relevant because I intend to discuss DeasVail's meta when I get a chance a re-read it and have some thoughts. I don't really care if she won or lost the game. I would have mentioned my thoughts about it if I felt like it. It is still a good meta-reference.

If you want to talk about DV, then talk about DV, you have yet to actually do that other than to link 2 games and jump to the conclusion that hes town.

You have spent more time being Tammy's fanboy than you have actually explaining why those games make DV look town here. Who is a leading wagon right now.

[Titan]

Someone tell me why ElementalHawk is scum.
3dice's posts were pretty town to me?

I thought they felt wooden. I didn't really like the "I feel lost so much meta I don't get" dealio. Prohawk has played in the last two tales games, and that's been the majority of the meta stuff save some more nominal things. They also more than once asked for people to ask them things or engage them. I realize town can do that too, bb molla notably and occasionally empire, but it's something I associate more with scum.

[CarbonFiber]

It is not that she necessarily won the game, it was that I read the game and enjoyed the way it was solved by the town so I mentioned it. The game was relevant because I intend to discuss DeasVail's meta when I get a chance a re-read it and have some thoughts. I don't really care if she won or lost the game. I would have mentioned my thoughts about it if I felt like it. It is still a good meta-reference.

If you want to talk about DV, then talk about DV, you have yet to actually do that other than to link 2 games and jump to the conclusion that hes town.

You have spent more time being Tammy's fanboy than you have actually explaining why those games make DV look town here. Who is a leading wagon right now.

LOL, the games I linked were mostly for my reference but also just in case anyone wanted quick access to what I was referring to. I was going to get back to it later to explain my DV read, I said as much. It is not the I posted links to games I follow up later on.

Tammy mentioned that she played both games sparking casual conversation and I replied that I liked reading them because I did and I wrote it in a single sentence while also answering another question about my read on Desp. You can feel free to ask Tammy whether she thinks I am cozying up to her or whether we are collaboratively working together. I don't like you characterizing the latter as the former. It feels like you are undermining collaboration by painting it as a one-sided thing.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

I was going to get back to it later to explain my DV read, I said as much. It is not the I posted links to games I follow up later on.

What? I really do not know what you are arguing here.

You linked 2 games. You then subtly buddy up to Tammy by talking about how really enjoyed watching her win those games.

You have yet to actually talk about those games, other than that, at all.

If you have a point to make a bout DV being town, it really shouldn't take you that long. You wouldn't have linked DV games with the intent of explaining a jumped-to conclusion about DV's alignment wrt those games if you didn't have some basis for believing those games show his alignment is more likely one thing than the other.

DV is a leading wagon. If you really want to look like you are doing something other than just linking random ass games, buddying Tammy, and WKing DV, then actually do what you keep saying you are going to. It really shouldnt be that difficult.

[AngryPidgeon]

This game does not look like town PV btw.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

1: Just you, or the entire hydra?
2: Why not?
3: How 'bout AP? Any interest there?

1. Well, I posted "not interested" and Ffery said that 1305 was town as fuck...
2. Because they're town as fuck
3. Still trying to suss AP's alignment. Talk to Ffery about that, she wasn't scumreading you last time you came up. I am.

[Lord Business]

@ ap: i just don't understand your thought process. you expected people to see you were obvious town, but you townread two players who scumread you for it and calling bro bad for saying you're town (even though this is what you expected?).

you still didn't answer the question btw. what were you expecting a town response to be to your entrance? because your actions since indicate that a town response would be to scumread you for posts you claimed made you obvtown and i mean maybe i'm just crazy but that doesn't make any fucking sense.

@ mastin: hahahahahahahahahahahaha

There might be some merit to that. Because he came at me over what he considered scummy posts, yet the moment I turned my attention to him and voted he completely dropped the subject of me and agreed with a subsequent post of mine.

[Titan]

I had RBD as town lean.

There appears to be no direct tactical reasoning to their trolling, they occasionally seen to return to the game point and if I can be a hypocrite for a moment the meta of both of the heads suggest they are quite relaxed in the game and I believe one of them was the mafia player of the year for being strongly townread in several games as scum, whereas here the effort to gain such a read isn't there.

They also happened to agree with me over the demoralising nature of "obvtown-gate" so I currently have a bias in their favour.

That one head your talking about also didn't try to get town read in NY169.

But he also didn't do an awful lot of anything. And he had a day chat in the mafia team where he seems to have done the vast majority of his trolling so as not to draw attention to himself in the game itself through it.

At least that's my interpretation of it, do you disagree?

He didn't really do anything at all sure. I died night one, so I didn't read closely after that for the most part, and the only thing of the scum chat I read was to try to figure out why I was killed night one. But the point is he didn't tryout get town read.

[Lord Business]

I had RBD as town lean.

There appears to be no direct tactical reasoning to their trolling, they occasionally seen to return to the game point and if I can be a hypocrite for a moment the meta of both of the heads suggest they are quite relaxed in the game and I believe one of them was the mafia player of the year for being strongly townread in several games as scum, whereas here the effort to gain such a read isn't there.

They also happened to agree with me over the demoralising nature of "obvtown-gate" so I currently have a bias in their favour.

That one head your talking about also didn't try to get town read in NY169.

But he also didn't do an awful lot of anything. And he had a day chat in the mafia team where he seems to have done the vast majority of his trolling so as not to draw attention to himself in the game itself through it.

At least that's my interpretation of it, do you disagree?

He didn't really do anything at all sure. I died night one, so I didn't read closely after that for the most part, and the only thing of the scum chat I read was to try to figure out why I was killed night one. But the point is he didn't tryout get town read.

He didn't go out if his way to be town read, but in the same respect he also didn't try to make waves or draw heavy attention to himself. If anything he just sort of dropped off the radar.
So my point stands, their early 'look at me!' Class clown posting gives me a sense they are town, but disengaged town.

[CarbonFiber]

I was going to get back to it later to explain my DV read, I said as much. It is not the I posted links to games I follow up later on.

What? I really do not know what you are arguing here.

You linked 2 games. You then subtly buddy up to Tammy by talking about how really enjoyed watching her win those games.

You have yet to actually talk about those games, other than that, at all.

If you have a point to make a bout DV being town, it really shouldn't take you that long. You wouldn't have linked DV games with the intent of explaining a jumped-to conclusion about DV's alignment wrt those games if you didn't have some basis for believing those games show his alignment is more likely one thing than the other.

DV is a leading wagon. If you really want to look like you are doing something other than just linking random ass games, buddying Tammy, and WKing DV, then actually do what you keep saying you are going to. It really shouldnt be that difficult.

Dude, posting game links with no explanation is part of my playstyle. If you want links to past games where I did this, ask. I usually tend to follow up on them later on. I have yet to talk about them, so what? I will do it when I will.

There is no subtle buddying here. She was the one who engaged me about it she was in one of the games and I said I liked reading it because I had fun watching it unfold.

~ F-16

[Titan]

(Side-note, but I just now realized that Titan's new avatar is Prometheus. That took me way longer than it should've to get.)

[Titan]

@ ap: i just don't understand your thought process. you expected people to see you were obvious town, but you townread two players who scumread you for it and calling bro bad for saying you're town (even though this is what you expected?).

I always think that Im obviously town, even when scum (although Im more likely to declare myself obvtown as town).

Im not focusing on people's reads on me as a basis for my reads because Im not shit at this game. Mastin is town because mastins push on me is borderline insane and way too overdone to be likely from scum. She knows she cant elude me forver when scum, so she rarely pushes me as scum, CERTAINLY not in 1v1 tunnel mode where Im way more likely to get her lynched. RBD is probably town for the hated miller gladiator claim and their tone/attitude/presence is just ridiculously town. I could point to some specific instances and wall about it, but they are just town. Everything about them is troll-y but determined, annoyed but spirited. If they are scum . I mean I guess they -could- be, I'd have to bow down to muffin for being the most unreadable scumbutt to ever scum the 7 seas.

Lucky you! I think my alignment is obvious no matter my alignment.

But can you really say this about mastin with a straight face after anything goes?