Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

Will read 57/58 and such later, but...

Mastin wasn't a threat, she was a mislynch I thought I could get. And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

^Ceph's take on me.

Posting quickly, be back much later.

Would you like me to post your take on players when you were scum? I swear everything you've posted today sounds like the mastin from our scum qt in Anything Goes. The arrogance. The acting like you're in charge. Everything. Right now I'm having a really hard time reconciling some things about your play that is more consistent with your town game and the overwhelming amount of slime oozing from your posts. Maybe it's because you're just bloody annoying me with an attitude that is more distractive than it is one that will actually work to get things done for town in this game. Maybe it's because you sound like you have an agenda rather than you're trying to solve the game.

I don't know what it is, but I'm far more likely to join your wagon than the fox and the hound. That's for sure!

[CarbonFiber]

I've got five solid townreads and narrowed down scum to four of the remaining eleven.

Oh yeah, this was the point and the specific post that made me think, "bullshit"

Especially given one of your oh-so-solid town reads was FoxHound. The rest I could maybe understand, but even then, I did not believe you as town would really think your reads were infallible that early in the game.

You've seen me play as town before, right? You think I wouldn't have five solid townreads by post 450?

-FT

[Titan]

^ Er that was about my previous statement, Im talking to myself.

Im not arguing that Falcon is lying about thinking you were enjoyable in those games. HEs just doing the same crap Ive been busted for in the past like telling Bacde I was impressed with him and that we should hydra sometime when I was scum and he was town in that one open.

P-edit: ya that.

And his runaround about intending to provide analysis on DV and then later posting that "no he just posts random games with no special intent sometimes" is some scummy ass handwaving.

Yeah but that's not what he was doing. We enjoy playing with each other and have a sense of understanding of where we get our reads; it makes working together easier. In Zach's mafia game when he was pushing CTD for scum and I thought he was town, he turned to me wondering if he was off base and would back off if I thought he was. We were both town. In PYP we were both replacements who synced up right away and after I was night killed he still referred to my reads to back up his thoughts. His interaction with me isn't out of the ordinary.

I don't think he said he had no special intent to do anything with those games. He said he was looking at those games specifically and would do something with them later, and this is something that he does.

[Titan]

Tammy, what do you think of AP's buddying accusation? I didn't feel that it was genuine.

~ F-16

I'm not sure what I think of it. I do certainly think it's odd and didn't consider it until you pointed it out that he automatically considered mastin/muffin town blocking cut couldn't see the same thing here. AP is a bit of a question mark for me here. I'm realizing that I've never been town in a game with Angry Pigeon; the closest I came was being an SK in a game where he was mafia. Right now I'm not really sure how to parse the brouhaha between AP/JustSheepUs/Mastin/RBD with Fox and Hound on the side. Have you been able to take away anything from all that?

[Kagura]

Do ye think
That I be town?
Please let it be so, Nacho
Don't let me down

-Nati

I was gonna vote you before I was pinged by the Fox!

[Kagura]

that I'm pretty sure as town you'd be townreading me, so what's the deal?

Why?

Because I'm town and you're you and even though this sounds incredibly and awfully sappy, usually you're the one to townread me when no one else does!

the why was referring more to what have you done that is town

I don't see how I could've made 592 as scum. I would have had to fake my thoughts on Mastin to look like I'd posted them in a hydra QT two days prior and I don't go to those kinds of lengths as scum. That was the only time I thought as I was posting that I was being really town, but I think I've been quite town and unlike scum-me throughout as I've mentioned before, and Tammy's townread in particular makes me more confident that you would recognise this.

Nacho, if you're town, you need to stop this and show me that you are, because I'm trying to think of reasons why you're not scum here and I'm struggling.

Also, why does Mastin's claim need to be a fakeclaim?

Why would you have had to fake the Mastin thoughts and do the QT stuff?
I don't get it

Mastin's claim needs to be a fakeclaim unless you think the weird thing he's going to claim is going to be his real role as scum, in which case it seems pretty useless in what's bound to be a power heavy game. Do you disagree with that?

[Kagura]

@ titan: you've seen me not be present as town as well, so how are you reconciling that and why do you think our lack of thread presence in the first week of the game is enough to constitute a top scumread?

it's worrisome when both your heads are doing it! There are a couple questions posed to you from rather early and neither of you answered the question or clarified. I thought the tone of your first post was really off, but kagura's post to you made it sound like that was a list of town reads, so the tone isn't as weird as originally thought.

You being absent makes it somewhat null, but still. Bro also being completely absent when he's so egotistical about his town game is really worrisome. I realize that it could also be town from you guys, but I'd like to sort you out. I don't have any great scum reads either, so consider it an invitation to town it up, so I can stop worrying about you guys and move on.

ALSO, Bro didn't post the player list when he checked in to say he's reading and that lack of posting the player list is what moved you ahead of Peregrine as a scum read!

BRO is egotistical, but lazy. In 167 he was pretty solidly mislynch bait until RC replaced in and killed Generic.

[Kagura]

I'm also pretty confident they're town, so there's that too!

[Kagura]

Oh Nacho, Oh Nacho
You are my friend
And I wish I was in America
We'd drink 'til the end

But tell me your secrets
And tell me no lies
To what do I owe
Such a pleasant surprise?

Surprise?
Why would my townread on you be a surprise?

[Kagura]

I wouldn't know. But he's been pretty town from my naive standpoint.

Why?

[Titan]

nacho - what is your updated read on the rancid pirates?

[Titan]

also where's my shot?

[Just Sheep Us]

@ titan: you've seen me not be present as town as well, so how are you reconciling that and why do you think our lack of thread presence in the first week of the game is enough to constitute a top scumread?

it's worrisome when both your heads are doing it! There are a couple questions posed to you from rather early and neither of you answered the question or clarified. I thought the tone of your first post was really off, but kagura's post to you made it sound like that was a list of town reads, so the tone isn't as weird as originally thought.

You being absent makes it somewhat null, but still. Bro also being completely absent when he's so egotistical about his town game is really worrisome. I realize that it could also be town from you guys, but I'd like to sort you out. I don't have any great scum reads either, so consider it an invitation to town it up, so I can stop worrying about you guys and move on.

ALSO, Bro didn't post the player list when he checked in to say he's reading and that lack of posting the player list is what moved you ahead of Peregrine as a scum read!

BRO is egotistical, but lazy. In 167 he was pretty solidly mislynch bait until RC replaced in and killed Generic.

I'm pretty much constant mislynch bait :/

[Kagura]

But the only reason you're not seeing him as town is because he's not reading you as town - and your refusal to see it from a different perspective other than "no townread, must be scum" is worrying.

Like you're not even considering Nacho can be town AND wrong, you've just launched an assault on why he's scum.

I am worried that Nacho not townreading me is influencing me more than it should, but although his posts are townish, I don't think anything couldn't be faked by scum, and I think I'm pretty obviously considering that he's town and wrong. The problem here is that Nacho always townreads me to the point where it's become a running joke, even once when I was scum on an alt and a popular scumread. Do I think Nacho could catch me as scum now? Yeah, probably. It's been a long time since I've been scum against him. But would he not townread me when I'm town and think I'm quite transparently so? I don't think so.

Trust me that I really want Kagura to be town and prove us wrong somehow, but I think the possibility that they're scum and no one's seeing it is a very real one.

This isn't necessarily true though. In swagtown, nacho suspected you, and I think looking back at that game you were transparently town. Nacho has suspected people that it was strange for him to suspect. In chosen and Viscon he suspected Bert when in both they were pretty town.

I think the only thing that is bugging me about your response is assuming he must be scum for misreading you and I'm of two minds about it. One I could see me reacting a similar way and

probably

freaking out about it. I'd probably figure nacho was trying to mislynch me. On the other hand, I'm having some flashbacks to ice and fire when cephrir basically argued that nacho would be scum if he suspected him and tried to manipulate him that way.

I didn't suspect Bert in either Chosen or Viscon...?
Did I?
Maybe chosen, but not vision.

[Just Sheep Us]

also where's my shot?

Can I join? College turned me into an alcohol abuser!

[Titan]

I didn't like des really only popping in to do that but responding to a post I made about them not doing anything and wanted them to and how with the way bro brags about his game it's troubling he's completely absent, with a "Tammy you know it's null" type of post. I don't have a decent lead to follow elsewhere, so until something else pops up that's shinier or they DO SOMETHING that makes me think they're town, I'm here. Waiting impatiently.

While I sympathize with this, I know BRO at least has been disappointingly unmotivated in some town games of his recently. No idea about desperado. I'm hopeful to interact with them to get an actual feel, but Im not overly confident in my ability to read BRO. so ya, get the frustration but I dont know if hes scummy for that.

What do you think about BRO not doing anything but immediately upon seeing you replace in started on catching up? It made me feel twitchy as hell when I first saw it and made me rethink the scum read on had on your slot because I could see him being like okay gotta step up or AP will catch me, which now means less because of your less than confident stance on being able to read him. BUT on the other hand, I remember BRO telling me once that having you in a game with him was like dealing with an in-thread masonry. I can't remember where he said that to even make sure that it was you he referenced though, so in that respects catching up to bounce ideas off you might be the impetus.

Am I mistaken about how you guys interact or does that make sense at all?

Angry Pigeon you never answered this.

[Kagura]

I wish! Did you read the way he came after me in too many heads?

Except in that game
He backed off from ye,

Thinking ye were town,
After a fake AtE

No, I unvoted in case Tammy was actually crying.
I've always been willing to give people as much room as they'd like to talk: that doesn't mean that I still don't think they are scum.

[Titan]

But the only reason you're not seeing him as town is because he's not reading you as town - and your refusal to see it from a different perspective other than "no townread, must be scum" is worrying.

Like you're not even considering Nacho can be town AND wrong, you've just launched an assault on why he's scum.

I am worried that Nacho not townreading me is influencing me more than it should, but although his posts are townish, I don't think anything couldn't be faked by scum, and I think I'm pretty obviously considering that he's town and wrong. The problem here is that Nacho always townreads me to the point where it's become a running joke, even once when I was scum on an alt and a popular scumread. Do I think Nacho could catch me as scum now? Yeah, probably. It's been a long time since I've been scum against him. But would he not townread me when I'm town and think I'm quite transparently so? I don't think so.

Trust me that I really want Kagura to be town and prove us wrong somehow, but I think the possibility that they're scum and no one's seeing it is a very real one.

This isn't necessarily true though. In swagtown, nacho suspected you, and I think looking back at that game you were transparently town. Nacho has suspected people that it was strange for him to suspect. In chosen and Viscon he suspected Bert when in both they were pretty town.

I think the only thing that is bugging me about your response is assuming he must be scum for misreading you and I'm of two minds about it. One I could see me reacting a similar way and

probably

freaking out about it. I'd probably figure nacho was trying to mislynch me. On the other hand, I'm having some flashbacks to ice and fire when cephrir basically argued that nacho would be scum if he suspected him and tried to manipulate him that way.

I didn't suspect Bert in either Chosen or Viscon...?
Did I?
Maybe chosen, but not vision.

I'm pretty sure you did. There at the end you suspected him and you suspected Empire. I mean I guess it's a special case because no one would listen to me that Mara and her lover were scum, so wheels were spinning trying to make everyone scum.

[Titan]

I wish! Did you read the way he came after me in too many heads?

Except in that game
He backed off from ye,

Thinking ye were town,
After a fake AtE

No, I unvoted in case Tammy was actually crying.
I've always been willing to give people as much room as they'd like to talk: that doesn't mean that I still don't think they are scum.

Sad thing is. I wasn't lying actually. But like I said, really stressed that day and hadn't slept.

[Titan]

also where's my shot?

Can I join? College turned me into an alcohol abuser!

The more the merrier!

[Kagura]

I mean there's a difference between 'DV might be town, but not sure' and 'DV I don't townread you har har'.

What's the difference? Scum-Nacho doesn't really have to call you scum and get your attention: he can wait until late game when all of the people who could possibly support me and could possibly sniff out me scum despite bork apparently not being aware that we have a scum role PM instead of sorting you out almost immediately like I'm doing now.

[Kagura]

But the only reason you're not seeing him as town is because he's not reading you as town - and your refusal to see it from a different perspective other than "no townread, must be scum" is worrying.

Like you're not even considering Nacho can be town AND wrong, you've just launched an assault on why he's scum.

I am worried that Nacho not townreading me is influencing me more than it should, but although his posts are townish, I don't think anything couldn't be faked by scum, and I think I'm pretty obviously considering that he's town and wrong. The problem here is that Nacho always townreads me to the point where it's become a running joke, even once when I was scum on an alt and a popular scumread. Do I think Nacho could catch me as scum now? Yeah, probably. It's been a long time since I've been scum against him. But would he not townread me when I'm town and think I'm quite transparently so? I don't think so.

Trust me that I really want Kagura to be town and prove us wrong somehow, but I think the possibility that they're scum and no one's seeing it is a very real one.

This isn't necessarily true though. In swagtown, nacho suspected you, and I think looking back at that game you were transparently town. Nacho has suspected people that it was strange for him to suspect. In chosen and Viscon he suspected Bert when in both they were pretty town.

I think the only thing that is bugging me about your response is assuming he must be scum for misreading you and I'm of two minds about it. One I could see me reacting a similar way and

probably

freaking out about it. I'd probably figure nacho was trying to mislynch me. On the other hand, I'm having some flashbacks to ice and fire when cephrir basically argued that nacho would be scum if he suspected him and tried to manipulate him that way.

I didn't suspect Bert in either Chosen or Viscon...?
Did I?
Maybe chosen, but not vision.

I'm pretty sure you did. There at the end you suspected him and you suspected Empire. I mean I guess it's a special case because no one would listen to me that Mara and her lover were scum, so wheels were spinning trying to make everyone scum.

You have to be trolling me.

[Just Sheep Us]

also where's my shot?

Can I join? College turned me into an alcohol abuser!

The more the merrier!

Awesome! I have like three fifths of flavored vodka, two fifths of flavored rum, Pusser's Navy Rum, some de Kuiper's Soul Apple, some Amarettto, and a fifth of 151 in my room that I need to get rid of before graduation!

Oh god that sounds terrible...

(Also, if you have anything you want to talk to me about game, wise, I'm semi-present right now while I do my hw).

[Kagura]

:(:(:(

ITT we learn that Tammy never cares about what Nacho writes ever, and Nacho learns he might as well just not post :(:(

[Kagura]

also where's my shot?

Can I join? College turned me into an alcohol abuser!

The more the merrier!

Awesome! I have like three fifths of flavored vodka, two fifths of flavored rum, Pusser's Navy Rum, some de Kuiper's Soul Apple, some Amarettto, and a fifth of 151 in my room that I need to get rid of before graduation!

Oh god that sounds terrible...

(Also, if you have anything you want to talk to me about game, wise, I'm semi-present right now while I do my hw).

I feel like we'd get along great.