NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[AngryPidgeon]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

[PeregrineV]

PV why is it better than ThAd?

I was suspicious of pisskop but wanted him to be town, so was looking to TheWayItEnds to kind of swing that balance. When that didn't happen, and he starts getting pressure, the whole thread reading thing seemed way more evasive than it should have been. Answer the question. If you think it can be asked both ways, answer them both.

ThAd I'm just still reading as town. But, I may be biased so go skim his last 2 town and last 2 scum games and see which ThAd he look like to you.

[PeregrineV]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

No, Nero is town this game I believe, but that doesn't mean that Nero doesn't tunnel like a mofo. He always does. He's like a talkative Internet Stranger. And I can see where tunneling can be annoying, so his response to Nero reads as town.

[PeregrineV]

Reading this thread with 91 pages would kill me. I prefer you guys quoting something you want me to share my opinion of, ty ^^

ISO pisskop/TheWayItEnds
Read day2.
Come back and give reads.
Do it soonish.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ I never said Nero wasn't town? I think Nero is town too. And yes I agree that Thad's reaction to Nero makes complete sense from town and almost no sense from scum.

[PeregrineV]

^ I never said Nero wasn't town? I think Nero is town too. And yes I agree that Thad's reaction to Nero makes complete sense from town and almost no sense from scum.

Just saying, ThAd/Nero shouldn't be lynched, and their side conversation has no bearing on current events.

Give Six some work- slogging through day1 seems cruel considering the eventual outcome.

[SnowStorm]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

Oh, wow. Such rage. Very town.

[Snork]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

Oh, wow. Such rage. Very town.

Snark instead of adding your opinion about something that wasn't directed at you nor about you?

Why? This is one of those posts I mentioned that I really don't like.

[PeregrineV]

SCUM
-ThAd. Nuff said.
-Damon. I've pondered this read again. He's rusty and I feel like he has a natural scummy tone and I wanted to take that into consideration. Well, I have now. I hate his posts, his votes and his reads. Scum.
-AngryPidgeon. I like his style, he does appear somewhat natural in his interactions, but I absolutely hate his suspicion on me. The way it developed, the reasons he used, it was just horrible and lazy, it was the complete opposite of what I'd expect from someone who's been playing like he has. I also think he's too stubborn and over-confident in his reads and I don't think he has good reasons to be. He reads as scum who knows what he's doing, who's in conrtol.

TOWN
-Snork. His day 2 play has been disappointing but he's still one of my strongest town reads. Dude, move on from your Rach read, you're doing scum a favor by distracting yourself with it.
-Nero. I like his posts and his reads.
-SiX. Vig claim; Bad pushes on Aptil, weak town read on Aptil before claim. Highly doubt he's scum.
-4nxi3ty. Weaker town read. Due to what I've said previously, I think he's more likely to be town.
-penguin_alien. Strong town read on MR. I don't like her posts as much, probably because she went after me, but I don't think she's particularly scummy, so I'm sticking to my town read on the slot.
-DeasVail. Weak town read. I just like his posts in general and his talah defence on day 1, it read genuine.
-Rach. I just doubt she's scum.

The NULL pile:
-TheWayItEnds. Ugh, I should get a read on this slot.
-Egg. Errr... Not today.
-Yates. I'm really not sure about him.
-projectmatt. Idk, I don't really remember anything from him that made me lean one way or the other.
-PeregrineV. I hum, should probably get a read on this one too.
-mastin2. This one is a little confusing. I kinda liked her posts, but I'm not sure if I like her reads and votes.

I'm seeing you as weakly town from some of your posting, but I agree with zero of your scumreads.

3 of the people being discussed for lynch today are in your null pile. Perhaps using some of the 94 pages of posts to refine that null, or give an in-depth reason for the null.

[SnowStorm]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

Oh, wow. Such rage. Very town.

Snark instead of adding your opinion about something that wasn't directed at you nor about you?

Why? This is one of those posts I mentioned that I really don't like.

I didn't like the post, which concerned two scum reads of mine and I thought the message was obvious.

PA is acting like scum aren't capable of faking rage or frustration and that it is obviously town because he had no reason to do it as scum either. Whenever ThAd's concerned he just takes things at face value. His interpretations fit what I think are ThAd's intentions, but I don't think they fit PA's thought process. What I liked about PA was involved, he asked questions and interacted with people, to me his posts demonstrate a level of involvement thinking and experience that does not match some of his opinions. Sometimes, like in this case, he just seems to be dumbing down to achieve the reads he wants. In this post he's basically saying. "Look at ThAd's rage and emotion. Emotion is town. ThAd's town!" It's just so simplistic and the way it's written is manipulative. "Do YOU see how town that is? YOu don't wanna vote that!".

As for ThAd's rage itself. PA said he had no scum reason to do it, but what about a town reason? I don't see one. ThAd needed someone to vote for, the Rach wagon wasn't going anywhere and it would be bad to stay on it. So he blew up at Nero, out of nowhere.

You scummy fuck, nero. I don't believe I actually sided with you day one. Even today I didn't think you were scum until recently. I think it was wishful thinking. I didn't want to think you were scum. I let my personal opinion of you as a player cloud my judgement. But with every post it became clearer and clearer.

This just reads fake and overly dramatic, the whole post does. He's blowing something out of proportion to give himself a reason to vote Nero. The follow-up posts are even worse.

I'm not moving my vote. I'm not moving it if it kills me.

Because I'd rather be dead than exist in a game where people like you can act like you do and get away with it.

Nothing you say makes any sense. You are lying about fucking EVERYTHING.

And when I flip town anyone who is

paying attention

, anyone who has

any sense

, anyone who

uses any logic whatsoever

will know that you are scum and lynch your scummy ass.

Sadly for this game that probably means no one will vote you.

This is just bad. So overly dramatic and so manipulative. He's assuming an anti-town position by being stubborn and only wanting to contribute for one lynch, which means we'll have a harder time lynching anyone else, though that's not the worse. The worse is that appeal he makes by saying anyone that won't realize Nero is scum isn't paying attention, has no sense and doesn't use logic. - He's basically calling us all dumb because we can't see how town he is and how scum Nero is. I guess what he means is that we'd feel pretty dumb if we lynched a town him, but if we don't think he is town then I think the risk is worth taking.

So, now we have ThAd being stubbornly useless and people saying he's town because no scum would do that. BS.

[SnowStorm]

I'm seeing you as weakly town from some of your posting, but I agree with zero of your scumreads.

3 of the people being discussed for lynch today are in your null pile. Perhaps using some of the 94 pages of posts to refine that null, or give an in-depth reason for the null.

Why don't we discuss the 3 people that are on my scum list instead? I'd much prefer lynching those than anyone I have a null read on.

I've only ISO'ed pisskop and Way. Still null. I wouldn't wept tears for their lynch, but as I said, I'd much rather lynch one of my scum reads.

I don't really want to lynch any of my null reads today and I'm not going to provide any in-depth reasons for those reads because I don't really see a point for it, I mean, it's not like those reads have any depth.

[Egg]

Snork/AP, good eyes. Glad I stopped being subtle about it.

[PeregrineV]

Do YOU see Thad's latest bout of frustration aimed specifically at Nero being from scum? That emotion is pretty hard to fake and I dont see why scum would do something so likely to draw attention, especially from Nero who is tentatively voting people who arent Thad. Its just town rage. Pretty sure.

Oh, wow. Such rage. Very town.

Snark instead of adding your opinion about something that wasn't directed at you nor about you?

Why? This is one of those posts I mentioned that I really don't like.

I didn't like the post, which concerned two scum reads of mine and I thought the message was obvious.

PA is acting like scum aren't capable of faking rage or frustration and that it is obviously town because he had no reason to do it as scum either. Whenever ThAd's concerned he just takes things at face value. His interpretations fit what I think are ThAd's intentions, but I don't think they fit PA's thought process. What I liked about PA was involved, he asked questions and interacted with people, to me his posts demonstrate a level of involvement thinking and experience that does not match some of his opinions. Sometimes, like in this case, he just seems to be dumbing down to achieve the reads he wants. In this post he's basically saying. "Look at ThAd's rage and emotion. Emotion is town. ThAd's town!" It's just so simplistic and the way it's written is manipulative. "Do YOU see how town that is? YOu don't wanna vote that!".

As for ThAd's rage itself. PA said he had no scum reason to do it, but what about a town reason? I don't see one. ThAd needed someone to vote for, the Rach wagon wasn't going anywhere and it would be bad to stay on it. So he blew up at Nero, out of nowhere.

You scummy fuck, nero. I don't believe I actually sided with you day one. Even today I didn't think you were scum until recently. I think it was wishful thinking. I didn't want to think you were scum. I let my personal opinion of you as a player cloud my judgement. But with every post it became clearer and clearer.

This just reads fake and overly dramatic, the whole post does. He's blowing something out of proportion to give himself a reason to vote Nero. The follow-up posts are even worse.

I'm not moving my vote. I'm not moving it if it kills me.

Because I'd rather be dead than exist in a game where people like you can act like you do and get away with it.

Nothing you say makes any sense. You are lying about fucking EVERYTHING.

And when I flip town anyone who is

paying attention

, anyone who has

any sense

, anyone who

uses any logic whatsoever

will know that you are scum and lynch your scummy ass.

Sadly for this game that probably means no one will vote you.

This is just bad. So overly dramatic and so manipulative. He's assuming an anti-town position by being stubborn and only wanting to contribute for one lynch, which means we'll have a harder time lynching anyone else, though that's not the worse. The worse is that appeal he makes by saying anyone that won't realize Nero is scum isn't paying attention, has no sense and doesn't use logic. - He's basically calling us all dumb because we can't see how town he is and how scum Nero is. I guess what he means is that we'd feel pretty dumb if we lynched a town him, but if we don't think he is town then I think the risk is worth taking.

So, now we have ThAd being stubbornly useless and people saying he's town because no scum would do that. BS.

If you think ThAd is scum, then you'll need to show it. 2296 is ThAd spelling out reasons why he's calling bullshit on Nero's read. Since you disputed none of it, I take it you agree with his take on it?
Hint: "I don't like his tone/emotion/font color" is not the same as examining his argument.

[AngryPidgeon]

PA is acting like scum aren't capable of faking rage or frustration and that it is obviously town because he had no reason to do it as scum either. Whenever ThAd's concerned he just takes things at face value. His interpretations fit what I think are ThAd's intentions, but I don't think they fit PA's thought process. What I liked about PA was involved, he asked questions and interacted with people, to me his posts demonstrate a level of involvement thinking and experience that does not match some of his opinions. Sometimes, like in this case, he just seems to be dumbing down to achieve the reads he wants. In this post he's basically saying. "Look at ThAd's rage and emotion. Emotion is town. ThAd's town!" It's just so simplistic and the way it's written is manipulative. "Do YOU see how town that is? YOu don't wanna vote that!".

Im not PA.

First of all, its not like this is the only reason I've been calling Thad town. I've been pretty open about townreading Thad for most of this Day phase, this is just another reason to see it. Accusing me of dumbing down my reads has absolutely no base and is pretty terrible. Im not going to write a 5 paragraph essay about why Thad being recalcitrant makes him more likely to be town than scum and its not an amazing argument on its own anyhow. Combined with everything else I've seen today? Yes. ITs a reason to townread him, much like its a reason to townread Snork but you didn't give a shit when I called Snork town for very similar reasons.

Also, you flatout refusing to comment on TWIE is absurd and pretty hypocritical if you are going to accuse me of "dumbing down" my stance on Thadmiral. I find it hard to believe you have actually nothing to say about TWIE/Pmatt if you just ISOd them. I mean really? Did you or did you not just read all those posts and if so, you sure are dumbing down your read on the slot by refusing to say anything about them, I dont care if the conclusions is "Dunno, Null".

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This just reads fake and overly dramatic, the whole post does. He's blowing something out of proportion to give himself a reason to vote Nero. The follow-up posts are even worse.

What is he blowing out of proportion? Nero has been tunneling on him for a while and, much like Snork who you seem to not give a shit about, Thad has been trying to get RM lynched to no end and reporting frustration about that. Why is Thatds frustration over done? Why is Snork's not? You argue with me about how emotion isn't town (and sort of imply its null) but then go off to paint Thad as scummy for this emotion because....? You flatout said:

PA is acting like scum aren't capable of faking rage or frustration

which is to say that rage/frustration is often genuine and town in the first place.

He's assuming an anti-town position by being stubborn

Once again, Thad is not the only person to do that in this game, so your push here is selective scumhunting.

He's basically calling us all dumb because we can't see how town he is and how scum Nero is.

Yes and? Why is that scum motivated exactly, this is something people who are upset are likely to say. I know I can do this as both alignments although would be more likely to get indignant and pissed and call people idiots so I can mock them later as town.

This is just bad. So overly dramatic and so manipulative.

Why is it manipulative? What is he doing that is manipulative? Getting Nero Cain lynched for shit reasons? fuck no, I dont think anyone could realistically expect Nero to be lynched Today..even remotely. IF you think hes specifically going for towncred here by fake raging...ok? You really have no base for thinking its that over it being legitimate (which scum rage often is anyways).

[PeregrineV]

I'm seeing you as weakly town from some of your posting, but I agree with zero of your scumreads.

3 of the people being discussed for lynch today are in your null pile. Perhaps using some of the 94 pages of posts to refine that null, or give an in-depth reason for the null.

Why don't we discuss the 3 people that are on my scum list instead? I'd much prefer lynching those than anyone I have a null read on.

SCUM
-ThAd. Nuff said.

His reaction was just bad and the only purpose it had was to discredit our votes on him based on something he "assumed" for no logical reason.

I voted you because at that moment I wasn't happy with either of the main wagons and Snork had expressed that he'd like your lynch too. So I decided to give it a shot.

(referencing 675) <---

^Here. Your approach makes no sense coming from town. You voted bjc for his scum claim, then you said it was a null tell, but you kept expressing frustration towards people town reading him. So if you were not voting him for the scum claim what were you voting him for? And if you really thought the scum claim was a null tell why did you only complain about the town reads and not the scum reads based on it?

In 1975, you disagreed with 1437.

These seem to be the bulk of what I bothered looking for. I guess to sum it up, I don't see the same things you are in ThAd's posting. Having different opinions about who is scum is not scummy if they can explain the thought processes to reach them. Both of ThAd's cases do that.

-Damon. I've pondered this read again. He's rusty and I feel like he has a natural scummy tone and I wanted to take that into consideration. Well, I have now. I hate his posts, his votes and his reads. Scum.

You'll understand if I find this reason very uncompelling.

-AngryPidgeon. I like his style, he does appear somewhat natural in his interactions, but I absolutely hate his suspicion on me. The way it developed, the reasons he used, it was just horrible and lazy, it was the complete opposite of what I'd expect from someone who's been playing like he has. I also think he's too stubborn and over-confident in his reads and I don't think he has good reasons to be. He reads as scum who knows what he's doing, who's in conrtol.

Maybe, perhaps pointing out specifcs- like posts that indicate scum motivation or come from a scum mindset. Otherwise, having played with and against AP over many games, I'm leaning town.

I've only ISO'ed pisskop and Way. Still null. I wouldn't wept tears for their lynch, but as I said, I'd much rather lynch one of my scum reads.

I don't really want to lynch any of my null reads today and I'm not going to provide any in-depth reasons for those reads because I don't really see a point for it, I mean, it's not like those reads have any depth.

See, nulls at this point are because
1. They have posts that seem town and that seem scum, and those posts move your reads in that direction. In which case, specifics help us understand YOU.
2. You're scum, and it's a hell of a lot easier to have nulls than to make up fake reads.
3. Some other good reason, which you can explain in detail, which helps us understand YOU.

There, we talked about your scumreads.
Since none of them are today's lynch, talk about Mastin, TheWayItEnds, and projectmatt.

[Egg]

Wait Mastin and Projectmatt are still options?

[Nero Cain]

Is tunnelling scummy nero?

Because you tunnelled the fuck out of rogers yesterday, and today you're tunnelling the fuck out of me.

Yea but I didn't IGNORE the rest of the game while I tunneled on Rogers or you.

Why wouldn't you leave your vote on me. I'd have more votes than twie if you did.

Oh because you're hedging your bets. Got it.

ummmm....in a bout of doubt/passion I wanted TWIE death 'cause I really don't think ISOing yourself is a townie thing to do and that slight hesitation.

Nero, give me a short thing on why I should vote for PA.

Nero has been talking about Rogers all of Yesterday, did you not care then?

Why DV and not Rach?

To put this in to context both rach and dv had asked nero for content. Basically nero is asking AP here: why do you consider only dv to look bad because of this, and not rachel as well. He is suggesting that rach should look bad as well.

I;m sure if you are willfully misreping me or misinterpreting my statement. That question was asking AP why he was being selective here. It had nothing to do with Rach.

I'm just going to repeat one piece of that post:

Snorks reasoning isn't that horrible

(he's wrong and I could see it making sense from his POV.) Could scum make that up and push it? Yeah but I don't think I'll entertain a Snork lynch today.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
The reasoning isn't that horrible. Yet its a clearly shit case. And anyone who might agree with it is scum. Apparently.

The case is wrong but town push crap cases all the time. I've never said that "anyone that agrees with this case is scum"

AP and PV's "look at Thad be angry. That's soooooooooo town." Which is IGNORING the fact that he's been ignoring all of the day phase and specifically parking/placing votes on wagons that won't happen. How the hell is

THAT

town?! His rage thing reads fake and is like a big OMGUS. If Thad flips scumthen I'll prob want a PV/AP lynch. Might even go for Yates who was all like "vote parking is scummy" but ignores the fuck out of Thad sitting on Rach all day...

vote:Thad

[Nero Cain]

Just to clarify, the reason I think Thad's rage is fake is 'cause well, I really don't think I've done anything worthy of such anger. All I've done is say the case on Rach is crap and then I've called Thad scum 'cause I think he's sheeping a very bad case and he's doing jack shit today. So in response he does jack shit and says something about me that he could have said a dozen pages ago. Time to lynch it guys.

[PeregrineV]

Wait Mastin and Projectmatt are still options?

Mastin has only recently posted anyhting townie, and with the size of his posts, a null read on him needs explanation. And I'd be willing to lynch Mastin if <conditions> happen.

Projectmatt should be ISOed. He is also a secondary lynch at this point.

If you can make a case why either is better than TheWayItEnds, I'm listening.

[PeregrineV]

Just to clarify, the reason I think Thad's rage is fake is 'cause well, I really don't think I've done anything worthy of such anger. All I've done is say the case on Rach is crap and then I've called Thad scum 'cause I think he's sheeping a very bad case and he's doing jack shit today. So in response he does jack shit and says something about me that he could have said a dozen pages ago. Time to lynch it guys.

The case is wrong but town push crap cases all the time.

What do you think of TheWayItEnds? And Matt and Mastin while your at it.

[Nero Cain]

already commented, go read skimming scum

[Nero Cain]

infact I commented about TWIE in 2341, no way you missed that. I'm coming after you once I get your buddyThad lynched.

[PeregrineV]

already commented, go read skimming scum

I've found, when reading your posts, that having you point out specifics and/or translating has a much better chance of getting your point across than if I do it.

[Nero Cain]

So....what do you think of Thad ignoring the whole day phase?

[Snork]

Nero, what happened to your read on the MR/pa slot? You may have posted it but I don't remember.