Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[T S O]

Also, if I were scum, I'd shoot a mason over a BG.

Agreed. Assuming the Masons are Town, they're the only place scum will be shooting tonight.

[jasonT1981]

Day 4 Vote Count 4

Smargaret 2 - T S O, Thor665,

Not voting

PeregrineV,
CrashTextDummie,
Bulbazak,
BROseidon,

smargaret,

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-04-20 15:11:00)

till Day 4 Deadline

[T S O]

I'm struggling with this game, main reason being that I don't have anything close to resembling a solid town read on anyone in the lynch pool and I can't really rule out any pairs (this, by the way, is what Pere and I have spent the most time on in the QT, trying to form town reads we could both agree on). Not much has changed for me since yesterday. Bro is cleared in my mind, but he was low on the suspect list anyway. Apart from that, I'm mostly in the same place I was yesterday.

You're not townreading me? Hurtful and upsetting, CTD.

On another note, though, how the hell can you still be contemplating a TSO-smargaret team? I just don't get it. At all. You admit below yourself that bussing's a bad idea here, so why am I hardbussing again? More to the point, why would I do my best to eradicate my scumteam by n2? This -is- what you're suggesting, CTD, and if it sounds ridiculous that's because it is.

For Thor, Bulba, Smargaret, things have dramatically changed. All three had suspects exclusively among the now claimed power roles. This is only really reflected in Thor's play. He's not exactly fervent in his current pushes, but he has clearly shifted gear and is looking at the puzzle as it presents itself now. Bulba is hung up on Set Up spec. Smargaret has nothing to offer. Her sole remaining suspect is off the table and she has to go back to square one on the drawing board. I think that speaks volumes about the actual depth of her scum hunting. Things didn't dramatically change for TSO, but he's freaking out anyway.

And you're not voting smargaret because ...? Weren't you scumreading her earlier? What's changed since then?

I don't need to justify my paranoia to anyone - for all I know, you're still scum and I was right to do what I did. I feel quite strongly on this, and it still reads strangely to me that Bulba and I were the only ones questioning this at all (at least, I think Bulba was).

The problem with Bulba's and TSO's play is that casting doubt on the claims is not what I'd consider smart scum play. It's not needed (there are enough potential mislynches still among the claimed VTs to win the game), it's futile, it antagonizes the people that have arguably the most power over their fate. Thor's play, which to reiterate I think is the most pro-active and pro-town out of the four post-massclaim, is what I'd actually expect smart scum to go for. Smargaret is sitting on the middle ground of actual scumminess.

So, to clarify this, my play (and Bulba's, I guess) is too bad to be scum, and Thor is your top scumread? I'm struggling to extract quite what you mean out of this post. Again, smargaret is asking for your vote, and you're refusing to give it to her.

For the two actual VTs, this shouldn't be too complicated. Set-up paranoia aside, they're looking at 3 other players, one of which is town and two of which are scum. That's easy to sink your teeth into. Yet three of the four aren't really doing it. For the two scum, the situation is actually pretty precarious. Bussing is strongly discouraged and yet it's critical for them that they don't tie themselves together today. It's clearly advantageous for them to survey the landscape first before committing to reads, and it feel like that's what's happening with this set-up discussion.

"Set-up paranoia aside." u_u

You have a point though, I need to re-read Bulba quite badly. Also, Thor. Though it seems rather unfair that you're tarnishing me with the same brush as smargaret when unlike her, I have been doing things. You might not feel they're constructive, but I don't feel the same way at all.

So yeah. I need the lynch candidates to start actually discussing the people they're sharing the lynch pool with.

Hi smargaret, I want to suffocate you with a rope and search your person for pistols afterwards. Then I'll cremate your ashes.

I'm not sure there's particularly much point in me talking to Thor - I doubt he rates me enough to even read my posts. Bulba's much the same, but I'll probably try to talk to Bulba because at least I can't feel the condescension dripping off his replies.

[T S O]

it's maybe possible in some far corner of the universe that the mist has descended and I'm tunnelling smargaret but I reeaallllyyyy don't think so. Her overall shoddy play, combined with her resignation to her fate today, plus the fact that I'd have to completely rethink all of the foundations of my reads this game means she's practically confirmed scum.

[Thor665]

You just managed to accuse me of both not reading your posts...and responding to you sarcastically.
Likely only one of those is true.
I sort of think it's obvious which one...

[T S O]

Look, I didn't seriously accuse you of refusing to read my posts ever. It was exaggeration. But you don't even fucking deny you think I'm trash, so excuse me for being ticked off at you.

You have this knack of making my blood boil whenever we talk and I'm sure it's hard for you to read the filthy rubbish I post as well, Thor. It's a hard life for you.

[Thor665]

What the heck?

Do you need me to replace out or something?

[Thor665]

I play this for fun, not to piss people off or be told that i piss people off - I can leave if I'm unbearable - it's easy.

[T S O]

I'm not asking you to leave, I'm simply making the point to CTD that there wouldn't be a point in me in talking to you because I doubt

I actually like you and your playstyle, I just don't particularly like talking to you in-game because you have a habit of making me seem like a fool - perhaps that's my fault.

It was an unfair thing to say, Thor, and I'm sorry. It's been a long week so far.

[CrashTextDummie]

On another note, though, how the hell can you still be contemplating a TSO-smargaret team? I just don't get it. At all. You admit below yourself that bussing's a bad idea here, so why am I hardbussing again? More to the point, why would I do my best to eradicate my scumteam by n2? This -is- what you're suggesting, CTD, and if it sounds ridiculous that's because it is.

The fact that you're voting her today is largely null, you've locked yourself into scum reading her. It did seem for a moment though that you were starting down a path of "I think the masons might be fakeclaiming so maybe Smargaret is not scum after all", but you've corrected the course. The fact that you've been scum reading her since D2 is a point against a TSO/Smargaret team, though I'd have to read back to check how hard you've actually tried to lynch her.

And you're not voting smargaret because ...? Weren't you scumreading her earlier? What's changed since then?

Would you like us to rush a lynch? I'm not voting her because I don't have a good grasp of the situation yet.

So, to clarify this, my play (and Bulba's, I guess) is too bad to be scum, and Thor is your top scumread? I'm struggling to extract quite what you mean out of this post. Again, smargaret is asking for your vote, and you're refusing to give it to her.

Your play and Bulba's is not too bad to be scum and Thor is not my top scum read. What you should extract from my post is that, again, I don't have a good grasp of the situation yet, the rest is an illustration of why I'm struggling.

I'm not sure there's particularly much point in me talking to Thor - I doubt he rates me enough to even read my posts. Bulba's much the same, but I'll probably try to talk to Bulba because at least I can't feel the condescension dripping off his replies.

I said I need you to discuss the people, not to have an argument with them. i.e. I need reads on Thor and Bulba from you.

[T S O]

In regards to who is smargaret's partner?

[smargaret]

It has to be TSO and Thor. I cannot buy the idea that nobody bussed Zek, and Bulba claimed last - scum would have known to claim a pr. That said, I'm probably the lynch of the day, because I've played the world's crappiest game of mafia, but we have the mislynch and it'd be better not to have the distraction (and honestly, the masons aren't going to believe me until I flip). I want to go through and actually make a case, but I'm flying tomorrow. I'll have a case by Saturday evening at the latest, probably earlier.

And yes, I saw a cop inno in a gut town read. I was sort of looking for it, because with no town pr's flipping by day 3 as a vt you have to wonder, and I'll admit I've played a really scummy game, so I couldn't figure out why else someone would defend a town read on me.

[Thor665]

@Smarg - do you think no scum helped mislynch Antihero? I actually find it either equal or less likely that no scum would be on a town wagon than no scum being on a scum wagon.

[T S O]

What about Bulba's play, at all, would make you assume he had Copped you?

[Bulbazak]

@Smarg - do you think no scum helped mislynch Antihero? I actually find it either equal or less likely that no scum would be on a town wagon than no scum being on a scum wagon.

I'm not sure I understand why you asked this. Can you summarize your point a little better?

[Thor665]

She made a scum case on me, a reversal of her previous reads, based on 'scum musta bussed'

I'm pointing out that there is a town lynch wagon which, if she is town, also lacks town. A just as strange, if not stranger, occurrence, and am asking her how she took that in consideration of her theoretically looking at wagons for unusual lack of scum. I did it as a multi-pronged attack/defense that both weakens her case on me and also strengthens the value of lynching her.

Do you need any part of that explained more? If not - which part confused you and how did my answer help?

[Bulbazak]

Do you need any part of that explained more? If not - which part confused you and how did my answer help?

No, I think I got it. I guess the sentence just seemed really jumbled up to me. I thought I knew what you were saying, but I couldn't be sure. Also, in the context of that one post, it didn't make sense why you were focusing on Antihero specifically.

If Smargaret were to flip scum, who do you think her partner would be?

[T S O]

He's already said he's plumping for me, but I will not fucking be lynched tomorrow for being smargaret's partner. This is -my- lynch.

[Bulbazak]

@Mod: I will have limited access until Thursday, April 17. I will be out of town and may not have as much computer access as I do now. I'll try to check in at least once a day if I'm able.

[Thor665]

He's already said he's plumping for me, but I will not fucking be lynched tomorrow for being smargaret's partner. This is -my- lynch.

No, no, no, your lynch would be tomorrow on my timeline.

[PeregrineV]

Would like to hear thoughts on why Porkens/Yates were killed.

[Thor665]

I don't have anything new to add to that conversation.

[PeregrineV]

I don't have anything new to add to that conversation.

Can you link to the old stuff from you that is part of that conversation?

[Thor665]

Porkens - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5693455

Yates - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5791632

[Thor665]

I actually think I'm the only one who has specifically weighed in on both.
Not a big surprise though - Thor is a jerk who does nothing but complain about how other people play the game.