NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[DeasVail]

Or wait, maybe not.

Hmmm... we'll see.

[Nero Cain]

Six, what's the difference between egg doubting your claim and you and Snork doubting Rach?

[Egg]

Lol because 16 players would definitely not notice that[/sarcasm]

Please tell me how that benefits me if I'm scum. I'm interested.

Preview edit: Nero, I wasn't doubting confirmed town.

[Nero Cain]

So you buy Six's claim?

[Nero Cain]

So you buy Six's claim?

[SiX]

Six, what's the difference between egg doubting your claim and you and Snork doubting Rach?

Six - Villager(Joat) - suspects RM
Snork - Looks villagish - Suspects RM.

Snork & SiX uses arguements while RM and Egg resorts to violence (vote)
Snork & SiX are more cautious with who we vote, who we suspect etc.


RM - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX
Egg - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX

Egg & RM, tries to start a fight whenever posible of the smallest things.
Egg & RM suspects everything, votes everything, pushes everything etc.

See any difference? Town wants to be cautious not to mislynch, mafia wants to push any posible bandwagons UNLESS staying in the back to buddy either side.




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[DeasVail]

Can we please stop arguing about the JOATs? We're not lynching either of them today. Scum will probably kill whichever of them is town and sort it out for us.

[SiX]

Also, Egg and RM befriends others I suspect, Eg you Nero Cain.
3 Scum-suspects on the same mindset, obviously 1 or 2 of them has to be scum.

[SiX]

Indeed, go ahead and lynch Egg. You will do society a favour.

[RachMarie]

SiX if you are town you need to get on one of the three top wagons

We need a lynch today

The top wagons are

ThAd
Way
Matt

Voting anyone else at this point is just going to end up with a NL


Snork
I am far from arrogant. Calling someone a VI is NOT a personal attack. Neither is calling someone a newbie. I think in SiX's case it may very well be because he lacks experience on THIS site. As I said to you earlier they may play differently on your home site, but there are ways we play HERE. VI is in OUR Wiki. So how would I know you had any idea how our term is used? Especially since you then accused me of doing a personal attack on SiX? Which is not at all what the term means.

It is especially rich coming from you since you have been making personal attacks on me from practically the first post. You even threatened to blacklist me based solely on this game. When you KNEW I was having health problems.

Have I played my best in this game, no. Can I play better, yes.

Why not replace out, I already answered that. Getting replacements in large games can be often very difficult. Plus as a PR I did not want to put someone in the place of taking on this slot.

[SnowStorm]

Pretty sure both JOATs are town.

Can we please stop arguing about the JOATs? We're not lynching either of them today.

Scum will probably kill whichever of them is town and sort it out for us.

Agree. x2

[Egg]

Six isn't confirmed. Rach is. But yeah I'm leaning towards him being town.

Preview edit: yeah I shouldn't have rushed to putting you at L-8. You could have been lynched that whole time.

Also, how is questioning a claim and trying to avoid repetition of past poor play the same as starting a fight?

And if that last part is your idea of good scum play vs good town play, I now understand why you have a past of counterclaiming town power roles as VT to get them lynched.

[TheWayItEnds]

The first post that concerns me is 1977. I think it's really easy to see from Yates' post that he may not necessarily mean that every player second on a wagon is scum, but TWIE pretends that that is what Yates is saying (without even asking for clarification) and makes a huge deal out of it while discrediting Yates in the process. Also, in this post it's really unclear what TWIE actually thinks of Yates. The mocking tone of both the first line and 'GG town. Yates just broke this game wide open.' make it sound like he thinks Yates is town, but then there's the weird vote thing? I feel like the post as a whole shows that TWIE cares too much about the accusation in a way that is completely unrelated to his read of Yates. I believe this is scummy.

I was just looking back over his ISO for TWIE opinion on AP and I saw the whole weird Yates thing. Coming into the thread he was all over Yates for scumreading him, but never came back with a scumread on Yates. Now, his scumlist is anyone who DOES have a scumread on him.
If TWIE flips scum, Yates will be my next suspect.

No, I did not end up with a scumread on Yates because I didnt think he was scum, i just thought his reasons were shit. Which i then explained to him.

This is in response to me having a scumread on you i assume?

We should play a game. You go through my ISO and find where I first call you scum, then go through your own ISO and find where you first call me scum. Then you compare the posts numbers and see which one comes first.

K.
So i got 2162 for me and 2199 for you.

If you had ACTUALLY been looking through my iso, which is like 30 posts long, you probably would have noticed that.

If you want you can try that post again without the bullshit this time.

[DeasVail]

Pretty sure both JOATs are town.

Can we please stop arguing about the JOATs? We're not lynching either of them today.

Scum will probably kill whichever of them is town and sort it out for us.

Agree. x2

I'm a bit sad about the strike-out. That was my favourite part of the post!

[RachMarie]

Egg did you mean this game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40595

Way, since I am sure you are not going to self vote which of the other two wagons will you switch to. We need a lynch and deadline is crawling closer and closer

[DeasVail]

I AM growing increasingly wary of DV.....

Um, ok.

Pretty sure both JOATs are town. Move on guys.

tbh, I felt the mafia gods were punishing me 'cause your play really stunk and I HATED defending you. BUT I felt important. I think its very very very likely that scum are in that chorus of "yeah Rach is town" DV especially.

I'm pretty sure my reasoning is sound though. Your explanation of why Rach's thoughts made sense was good, and then the question arises of why she would use that reason for her read on Luca as scum. There'd be so many better reasons to use that it doesn't make any sense.

SiX I would not use your bodyguard ability anytime too soon.

Seriously, if you guys didn't understand how sarcasm works you should have said something a week and a half ago.

Post 1977 has 2 sections. Theres the sarcastic mocking section, and the actual content section. If you replaced everything in that post other than the first and last lines with "this reasoning is bad and you should feel bad for using it" that post would literally have the same meaning.

If you guys are going to read sarcastic posts literally then you might as well lynch me because we are not going to get along.

I like that your attack on post 2117 is about faking sarcasm.

*WARNING THIS IS SARCASM AND NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY*
It's a good thing you've just demonstrated how great your grasp is on the use of sarcasm that you've graduated directly into determining alignment based upon it. I'm sure that will be wonderfully accurate.

My post was pretty obviously not taking your sarcasm literally so the fact that you're trying to make it sound like I was is pretty odd!

[DeasVail]

Pretty sure both JOATs are town. Move on guys.

This part's slightly outdated except for the 'move on' part obviously!

[Nero Cain]

Six, what's the difference between egg doubting your claim and you and Snork doubting Rach?

Six - Villager(Joat) - suspects RM
Snork - Looks villagish - Suspects RM.

Snork & SiX uses arguements while RM and Egg resorts to violence (vote)
Snork & SiX are more cautious with who we vote, who we suspect etc.


RM - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX
Egg - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX

Egg & RM, tries to start a fight whenever posible of the smallest things.
Egg & RM suspects everything, votes everything, pushes everything etc.

See any difference? Town wants to be cautious not to mislynch, mafia wants to push any posible bandwagons UNLESS staying in the back to buddy either side.




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*head explodes*

Rach is confirmed town, dude. Period. End of discussion.

Pretty sure both JOATs are town.

Can we please stop arguing about the JOATs? We're not lynching either of them today.

Scum will probably kill whichever of them is town and sort it out for us.

Agree. x2

I'm a bit sad about the strike-out. That was my favourite part of the post!

Speaking of the struck out. How can you say that you believe both claims yet say "scum will kill whichever is town" that makes it sound like you think Six might not be town.

[RachMarie]

DV which of the three top wagons will you be willing to be on? We really need to consolidate here

[DeasVail]

Speaking of the struck out. How can you say that you believe both claims yet say "scum will kill whichever is town" that makes it sound like you think Six might not be town.

I don't really want to discuss this now. I'd probably be willing to later though! Looking at my posts will perhaps give you the answers you need, perhaps not.

[DeasVail]

DV which of the three top wagons will you be willing to be on? We really need to consolidate here

The one that I'm currently on (TWIE).

[penguin_alien]

Two 2-shot JOATs is reasonable, as is aptil's having claimed only one of the shots. If several more games phases don't resolve things it can be revisited then. For now, personality clashes and annoyances aside, I'm more interested in hearing if anyone objects to a projectmatt lynch. Anyone have a town read on him who'd like to argue the point?

[TheWayItEnds]

See, nulls at this point are because
1. They have posts that seem town and that seem scum, and those posts move your reads in that direction. In which case, specifics help us understand YOU.
2. You're scum, and it's a hell of a lot easier to have nulls than to make up fake reads.
3. Some other good reason, which you can explain in detail, which helps us understand YOU.

There, we talked about your scumreads.
Since none of them are today's lynch, talk about Mastin, TheWayItEnds, and projectmatt.

4. I have not yet formed a strong opinion on them.

I don't care if you can't understand me because I have null reads. I have plenty of other reads and posts that you can use to understand me and judge me.
We didn't talk about my scum-reads, you commented on the brief explanations I wrote as a guide to my reads as if they were THE reasons for them and disregarded them completely. You're not dictating the lynch and I have already said I have no strong opinions on those three players or intention to lynch them today, so if you do want to talk with me, lets go back to talking about ThAd, AP and Damon.

Speaking of Damon. I found it pretty amusing that pisskop called him Demon_Gant. I only noticed that when I ISO'ed him a while ago.

I actually can't believe snow had the patience to actually respond to this shit over and over. Seriously my only response would have been:

"You know whats easier than scum having null reads? Scum having fucking NO reads."

PV has commented on like 6 people all fucking day. Asking other people for content is not fucking content PV.

But then again thats probably why I'm being lynched and snow is not.

[DeasVail]

I have a weaker townread on PMatt. I'll ISO him and see if I can find anything concrete.

[SiX]

How the hell is Rach confirmed town?

Nero Cain: RachMarie is confirmed town.
SiX: How?
Nero Cain: she's FN (Friendly Neighbor...) and she recruited me to her Quick topic.
SiX: What if
#1 Both of you're a Mafia?
# She's just a plain Scum Neighbor, fooling you into being JOAT? Practically her Roleblock could be an ability of her teammate since a player rarely have 2 different powers as a mafia.
Nero Cain: That can't be, she's obviously mafia.
SiX: How?

All you do is bringing that stupid arguement up, an arguement proving NOTHING AT ALL to people outside the quicktopic.
Do you see my point, do you?
Not going to risk it, not with the addition that I suspect You, RM and EGG.

Preferably lynching Egg today, but oh well.