Tales of You (Endgame)

[Just Sheep Us]

................. what the actual fuck?

So are you going to disagree that saying that an entrance "100% cannot be town" is bad logic when that entrance has been used by the same player as town?

Because that line of logic really shouldn't be that hard.

[Just Sheep Us]

I'm not sure what to make of diplomatic broseidon.

OH MY GOD WAIT HAS BROSEIDON STARTED BEING DIPLOMATIC

I got warned for ad-homming, so I decided to ignore muffin and try to play nicer :/

[Just Sheep Us]

VOTE: mastinssk

Since apparently RBD ain't happenin'

[CupcakePanda]

14 Cupcake Panda

Okay, at this stage, is probably town anyway, but bluntly, is acting anti-town and will likely continue to do so throughout the whole game as honorary-scum.

That's not the definition of

"honourary scum"

sorry.

[AngryPidgeon]

I want to correctly lynch an ace of mastin's caliber so bad it's like I haven't peed in a month, though. I MUST HAVE THIS.

So cheeky. Probably town cheek but I -could- see this being from scum.

And regardless, even if I thought mastin was strongly town this game, I'd in no way understand why he'd be someone's rock.

She* and ya. I really don't get what Bork is going on about with this mastin business.

But I feel like mastin feels, well, 'flat' (sorry to use such a loaded word after that whole thing) as scum

Uh, no? And tunneling is EXACTLY what mastin is doing this game.

I dunno about AP. I've been fooled before, but I can't decide on paranoia alone. You might say I have...

This means you are leaning town on me but paranoid? Im p sure the only reason anyone's paranoid is because mastin keeps accusing me of generically vague crap like "Im just trying t5o look town" which doesnt actually mean anything and that Im playing to Antihero mafia which is laughable.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I want to correctly lynch an ace of mastin's caliber so bad it's like I haven't peed in a month, though. I MUST HAVE THIS.

So cheeky. Probably town cheek but I -could- see this being from scum.

I dunno about AP. I've been fooled before, but I can't decide on paranoia alone. You might say I have...

This means you are leaning town on me but paranoid? Im p sure the only reason anyone's paranoid is because mastin keeps accusing me of generically vague crap like "Im just trying t5o look town" which doesnt actually mean anything and that Im playing to Antihero mafia which is laughable.

It's kinda cool that you picked up 2 beli posts to respond to.

For myself, I've been thinking about your replacing into a highly suspected town slot in that normal fun micro. That happened a lot closer to deadline, which could explain your being a lot less frenetic here.

[AngryPidgeon]

Anyone with AP somehow as town (they really shouldn't) has reason to strongly believe me to be town.

Sorry mastin, you can't have your scumread on me and vouch for my read on you at the same time. That is really really scummy.

In fact I really dislike the entire appeal to authority in that post, ESPECIALLY when you are calling 50% of that scum in the first place. This is like titus-scum levels of cookiejar reaching into.

I felt a massive, "HMMMMMMMMM..." with your posting for a bit (and theorized it was off of the defense of me), but ultimately, in spite of how I feel like I should be paranoia-reading you right now, I'm still reading you as town anyway.

K a lot of mastin's posting has been really stream-of-thought this game and thats why shes been a townread for me. The issue is looking back, Im really not seeing anything thats actually extremely town in the stream of thoughts / feelings posts that are going on. It almost all looks really overly static which is a symptom of mastin rolling scum (AG mafia , /in-15, mini 1408). The stickiness with reads in this game looks bad and like mastin could be just deciding on reads and confviasing on them intentionally. Which sounds silly when I say it, but I dunno. Nothing in mastin's trajectory looks extremely genuine on most of the reads, mine in particular, but FoxHounds also looks extremely bad.

Instead of seeing a town-AP, I'm seeing an AP-pretending-to-be-town. The actions he do vaguely look town. The words he says vaguely sound town. But how they're done, how they're said, simply...doesn't. I really really wish there was a better way for me to describe the mechanic between AP and I, the dynamic we've had. But this is the best I've got. His posting has been sketchy, with all of it essentially...well, not being the strong AP I know. The best word I can think of to describe it is that it feels halfhearted, rather than sincere, but even this doesn't convey the message.

Mastin not justifying reads is more of a tell that mastin

is in fact mastin

more than anything, but I reall do expect SOME level of competence from town-mastin. Saying that Im "trying to look town" is literally the vaguest argument since literally everybody in the game is trying to look town. And not a singular meaty analysis of my play or discussing anything remotely specific about this is just bad and I KNOW mastin is capable of that with her gutreads as town. Im seeing the aggressive gutread tunneling, but it looks hollow?

...But they're a lot like a much weaker Titan reads-wise. In that when I ask myself what my read on them is, my first instinct is instantly, "Town." And when I ask myself if I'm really sure, I get an "I guess?" response back. I can see the town. Do I believe it? I kinda want to. Sorta actually do. But I don't think I fully can. It just feels like something's not entirely right, I guess.

This looks like a mastin post and I really want to townread it for the stream of thoughts style posting, but once again, really not seeing any truly genuine explanation behind the gut and that worries me.

All that said, this recent stream of posts looks like town-mastin from HPATPL but... hollow? I don't know.

@Ffery: I think I was L - 1 when I replaced into that game, Im not usually that urgent.

[AngryPidgeon]

1) A fair number of people are scum reading him. I think I'm in the minority saying "this looks like town AP to me"

No its pretty much just mastin being extremely loud and a little bit RBD.

You forgot the part where in Street Car Racers I wasn't really trying until you replaced in.

I guess thats true? I do recall most of your posting and analysis happening after Day 1 at least. I didn't really separate you and PA out too much in my head that game so I was never really tracking which of you was doing what, but you are probably right.

AP is not the type of scum player to make an intricate plan. He's impulsive, living in the now, for the most part. His best ideas as scum are done not well in advance, but at most with one night of planning before-hand. AP will have a map on what to do immediately, but his long-term plans are incredibly vague. You'd be lucky to see a kill/lynch map laid out from him, even given daytalk, since that's simply not his style. It's one of the main areas that he differs from me as a player. The drive behind AP's posting is to survive, not to lynch scum.

I think the "trying to survive, not lynch scum" scum tell works only on me, because most players care about getting mislynched.

^ Oh that mastin post reminds of the other thing that makes me cringe about mastin. The assigning meta to people after having been tunneling them for a while. And not really bothering tio explain it either, it just looks skeevy. Its part of why I disliked CF's posts about DV (looks like just pinning meta to justify a pre-decided read to a degree).

VOTE: mastinssk

Since apparently RBD ain't happenin'

Can we lynch CF today?

[Just Sheep Us]

I'm leaning town on CF. It's not super-strong, but I'd rather lynch someone in my scum or null-scum pile.

Why are you writing off mastin's push on you as being from House Party Mini mastin instead of from scum mastin?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why are you writing off mastin's push on you as being from House Party Mini mastin instead of from scum mastin?

I dunno, maybe because mastin has never come at me this hard as scum before? I know one day she will and it'll blindside me which is why Im paranoid.

Everything she's posted -could- be from town mastin and I'm a little disappointed in the complete lack of justifications, its like mastin coasting on being mastin at that point.

[CarbonFiber]

Its part of why I disliked CF's posts about DV (looks like just pinning meta to justify a pre-decided read to a degree).

I initially had a townread on Fox. I searched through his meta to either confirm or reverse my read. I was open to reversing it if I found that DV played more to his scum-meta. I had an initial read but it wasn't "pre-decided" what my final read would be. By that logic, you'd never do a meta-dive except for flat null-reads.
~ F-16

[Titan]

Why are you writing off mastin's push on you as being from House Party Mini mastin instead of from scum mastin?

I dunno, maybe because mastin has never come at me this hard as scum before? I know one day she will and it'll blindside me which is why Im paranoid.

Everything she's posted -could- be from town mastin and I'm a little disappointed in the complete lack of justifications, its like mastin coasting on being mastin at that point.

He didn't come at you hard in anything goes?

[Titan]

So, I just realized I don't have any super strong town reads this game.

I mean I'd be super surprised if Mac flipped scum. Notscience is a decent town read but I just had to look back at the player list and was reminded he was playing. There are people I feel decently good about like cupcake, fox/hound, Orcinus, breakfast, kagura and carbon fiber.

But no glaring I'd bet the game on these town reads.

Hmm there are some things I need to reread through, but dinner, stuff, and taxes comes first!

Oh wait Clayton feels good too, he should be in that decently good pile.

[AngryPidgeon]

He didn't come at you hard in anything goes?

Oh right, lol. Guess Katsuki felt like most/alot of the push there, but ya.

[Titan]

And regardless, even if I thought mastin was strongly town this game, I'd in no way understand why he'd be someone's rock.

I am possibly being hyperbolic.

But I feel like mastin feels, well, 'flat' (sorry to use such a loaded word after that whole thing) as scum or gets defensive or tunnels or something else opaque and distracting and doesn't really absorb the gamestate.

Her play here strongly feels like absorbing the gamestate and radiating thoughts on it.

goddamn now I'm using tales of the abyss lingo.

I really don't know how better to put it. I'm endeavoring to listen to dissenting opinions but you aren't giving any reasons.

-b

.

Heh I'll just laugh at the flat thing.

I don't have great reasoning. I'll admit there are some things that feel more consistent with his town game, particularly there are a few things that give me the feeling of mastin from last years Harry potter game. The refuting reasons for a town read of himself, some of the tone of his arrogance, and his protectiveness of another player all feel like that. As for the rest, you're not going to get great reasons from me because it all goes to how I read people, especially before a scum flip and extra especially on day one. He feels orchestrated and his reads feel fabricated; it doesn't feel like he's processing this game in an organic way without knowing people's alignments. I'm not as convinced of this as I was earlier, but it's still the feeling I get from his posts.

[Titan]

Like am I actually fucking off the mark?

-b

This felt town.

[Titan]

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)

For the record, I still don't think that Tammy was ever truly obvtown. I could see them being scum posting a lot of what they have. Their reads being massively out of whack with mine is also something that concerned me, because all-in-all, something about them did kinda feel off.

...But I ask myself, "Do you truly think they could be scum?" And the answer, while a reluctant yes, spawns the question, "Okay, dumb question; do you truly think they actually

are

scum?", to which, the answer--after a small bit of pondering--never changes. Closing eyes. Breathing in. Clearing mind. And as exhaling, shaking my head.
No.
No, I don't.

Which begged the question, if they're not scum, where do I place them? I haven't felt them obvtown. I still don't. But my answer was quite undeniable. In spite of not having any reason. No logic. No backing. Off of just my gut, my instinct, my feeling. I look at them and think, how town are they?

Near the top of my townreads. Something about them just feels like town. Not obvtown. That's a different feeling. But...still town.

Kinda wish I had a way to make that make sense, but this is the best I've got.

...I actually like this read of me. I actually do think I'm obviously town here based on a bunch of early game stuff I can't fake. Maybe one day I will, but that day is not today. HOWEVER I think there are some things about my play that are fakeable. For instance, the playstyle I am using for this game is one of the playstyles I try to emulate as scum, sometimes to varying success, but I can appreciate someone pointing out that some of it could be fakeable.

I think of your more familiar with my town and scum game you'd see what's obviously town about it though, and I guess what surprises me is that you've been my scum partner twice recently but in neither was this the playstyle I tried to emulate.

[Titan]

I'm not sure what to make of diplomatic broseidon.

OH MY GOD WAIT HAS BROSEIDON STARTED BEING DIPLOMATIC

I got warned for ad-homming, so I decided to ignore muffin and try to play nicer :/

The reason why it pinged me in the first place was because in Attack on Titan, you were like Tammy needs to get in here and town it up, towns without structure suck, which made me feel weird when you said it. So the seeming to work with others, is making me go what, BUT at the same time I know it's something you're working on, so.

[Titan]

Ugh I feel like I had something to say but I can't remember now. I'm not sure if I still want my vote where it is but I'm not exactly comfortable moving it either and don't know where I want it to go.

Hopefully after dinner, taxes and stuff I'll be able to look back at some things I wanted to and try to make sense of this.

[Titan]

Oh also, can I just do a preemptive *she for mastin. I suffer from not really thinking about the technicalities of my posts and just getting my thoughts down. I try to remember the gender, I really do. I just forget, and don't edit, so anytime I forget it, it's just because I forgot.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh I feel like I had something to say but I can't remember now. I'm not sure if I still want my vote where it is but I'm not exactly comfortable moving it either and don't know where I want it to go.

Is this actually secretly just your Sir waffles hydra?

[Titan]

Dude.

[Red Gyarados]

I'll have a lot more time to devote to this during the weekend and I can start finishing my catch-up later today.

Just. so. many. words. to. read. through.

~Brian

This was a lie and I will be shamelessly sheeping until I catch up.

[Red Gyarados]

Vote: Just Sheep Us

[Red Gyarados]

MastinSSK (4): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, Clyton, mastinSSK

Somebody want to summarize these two wagons?