MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Untrod Tripod]

I've been down this road with kats before and I got burned

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, VC 12

sangres - (2):

Katsuki, xRECKONERx

Tim Howard - (2):

Sixty, Shadoweh

Cerulean - (1):

Tim Howard

Sixty - (2):

kanyeknowsbest, Cerulean

Katsuki - (4):

sangres,

Nero Cain

, Lady Lambdadelta, Flipping Awesome

Venmar - (4):

chamber, Plum, Untrod Tripod, Zdenek

Shadoweh - (1):

ChannelDelibird

Not voting - (2):

Nobody Special, Venmar

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

[Cerulean]

This is Empire speaking. I'm still trying to figure out what the status of my slot is going to be but, worst case scenario, I'll just continue the game on my own. As far as what happened goes, it happened, there's no point in dwelling on it (this goes to you, Nacho). Not in the best mood but I'm just going to move on from here.

It gives her hives when he does it as town too, so no cigar.

Way to completely miss the point of my post. I wanted ffery to engage me directly, and while your posts are nice and cool and all, it occurred to me that she's not really been very active in the thread (as far as I can tell). From what I remember, ffery's favorite part of the game is the early portion of it so it seems a bit out of character as both alignments for her not to be around and partake in it. The point is that I

am wussing out and want to read the easier head

want her to show me she's not dead and dive in a bit more.

Empire, elaborate on the purpose of your first post please. In the meantime, this.

Ask me again in about 5 pages and then I'll answer (maybe even earlier depending on how impatient I get).

In related news...

Unvote, vote: Tim Howard

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@Venmar:

Hello! You have asked to take part in this short questionnaire! Please answer the following:
1) If you thought Nacho was playing to neither his town game nor his scum game and this is "a grey area that makes [you] twitch" (#264), why the unvote and the backing off of the hydra in general?
2) If you pride yourself on moving at your own pace and doing your own thing, why does UT's read/reasons for the read on my slot seem to factor so heavily on your decision regarding whether to vote my slot at all?

@F-16:

I'll engage your wall/reads later when I'm back from dinner.

[Katsuki]

Venmar's Day 1 in a nutshell: "I have no scumreads and I must talk about how Town Nacho is."
Maybe you should try reading someone else in the game instead. No, really, talk about how you read other people.
As tempting as moving is, I just got on this wagon and a lack of posting is never a reason to move in my books.

It's not Venmar's lack of posting that makes me leery of him, it's what's actually in those posts. The prioritizing of reading Nacho-sangres, yet once he gets a town read on them, he doesn't use it. Like, there's no reach-out, no attempt to interact. Which if he knows the slot that well I'd expect.

Katsuki feels worst to me here. Untrod Tripod and Plum also read scummy, although I don't know that I've persuaded F-16 of that yet WRT Plum. I like the Tim Howard wagon as well, and based on where they are in the VC from 304, both the Katsuki and Tim Howard wagons are town driven, with my weakest read being Sixty on either wagon.

VOTE: Katsuki

Zdenek, was your CDB mention a throwaway choice or a scum read? Because if anything I think his first post skewed town for him.

--PA

I can get F16's thought process, but what makes you think I'm scum?

[Sixty]

ChannelDelibird, this puppyhalf kind of agrees with sangres that that post doesn't seem to make much sense coming from quadz based on what I know of him.

But more importantly, could you tell me why you're sold on them being Town?

[Plum]

V/LA until Wednesday night EDT, Passover. Sorry for inconvenience.

[Venmar]

the votes on Kat as PL (untrue) and him being annoying (also untrue)

Oh yeah? Help me understand then Thor, make me sheep you for the extra votez.

1) If you thought Nacho was playing to neither his town game nor his scum game and this is "a grey area that makes [you] twitch" (#264), why the unvote and the backing off of the hydra in general?

- Because I no longer wanted to vote for someone I didn't fully think was scum? When someone hits a grey area I tend to back off. I'm quite sure I said this wasn't just Nacho too, but also the Sangres hydra as a whole.

2) If you pride yourself on moving at your own pace and doing your own thing, why does UT's read/reasons for the read on my slot seem to factor so heavily on your decision regarding whether to vote my slot at all?

- What..? I said I do my own thing, does that mean what other people say can't factor into my own stuff?

I would appreciate if people would fucking stop bothering me about Sangres and making me talk about him and then fucking hating and scumreading me for doing just that. My reads are always gut and feeling based, I never do cases anymore either.

Oh, and,

Vote: Zdenek

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: tim howard

[sangres]

Way to completely miss the point of my post. I wanted ffery to engage me directly, and while your posts are nice and cool and all, it occurred to me that she's not really been very active in the thread (as far as I can tell). From what I remember, ffery's favorite part of the game is the early portion of it so it seems a bit out of character as both alignments for her not to be around and partake in it.

The point is that I am wussing out and want to read the easier head

want her to show me she's not dead and dive in a bit more.

I completely missed the point of your post as well then.

However, I've probably made more posts than you think.

What do you think about our early-ish wagon? What do you think about xReckoner jumping onto it apparently after reading up to the point where it was at its height?

[Nobody Special]

I didn't bookmark the thread and forgot this was a thing

mmmmmmmm. but am i really gonna read 14 pages?

Yeah, this needs serious rope.

Vote: Reck

I still have about 3-4 pages to read beginning with page 9.


As a note, I do not deal well with hydrae. So hard for me to read them, especially unsigned posts. FYI.


-Nobody Special

[xRECKONERx]

mmmmm yes tell me more about why my laziness means I am scum

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm sorry are you really asking NS why he's being derpy?

[Cerulean]

- Because I no longer wanted to vote for someone I didn't fully think was scum? When someone hits a grey area I tend to back off. I'm quite sure I said this wasn't just Nacho too, but also the Sangres hydra as a whole.

The problem is that I don't see any proactive measure from your part in trying to figure out sangres's alignment. When confronted with some sort of greyness from another player, there's some sort of impetus or drive to want to go in and sort that out and I'm not seeing that at all from you. In that context, your entire approach to the slot comes off as opportunistic (particularly the backing off once the sangres wagon died down).

- What..? I said I do my own thing, does that mean what other people say can't factor into my own stuff?

That's not even remotely what I was saying. UT's opinion evidently matters so much to you that it apparently makes you want to not vote my slot, despite not having a read on UT yourself (if you do, what is that read?). It seems like an excuse to not vote for fear of getting the same flak from it that you did from the sangres one.

What do you think about our early-ish wagon? What do you think about xReckoner jumping onto it apparently after reading up to the point where it was at its height?

I already mentioned it back in #168, but I thought the early wagon was fine to get the game going and get Real Conversation started. Do you want me to start talking about specific voters or...? As far as Reck is concerned, I didn't see his vote as opportunistic, just lazy, which is unfortunately null for him.
While you're around, what are your updated thoughts on F-16 since Nacho told me his stuff gave you hives and what are your thoughts on Venmar?

F-16, going to have to take a rain check on talking about your reads. I wasn't really in the mood for mafia today at all.

[Zdenek]

mmmmm yes tell me more about why my laziness means I am scum

Poor Reck, caught for the wrong reasons.

[sangres]

I already mentioned it back in #168, but I thought the early wagon was fine to get the game going and get Real Conversation started. Do you want me to start talking about specific voters or...? As far as Reck is concerned, I didn't see his vote as opportunistic, just lazy, which is unfortunately null for him.
While you're around, what are your updated thoughts on F-16 since Nacho told me his stuff gave you hives and what are your thoughts on Venmar?

nacho is well aware that self-declarations of obvtownness give me hives whether I think a player is town or not.

The reads list nacho posted earlier was a consensus list. F-16 seems fairly town so far, though I don't think any of his early posts prior to nacho pushing him a little were unfakeable.

I have never played with scum-Venmar, but right now, I'm not seeing anything that is outside the range of how I've seen him play as town in the 2-3 games we've played.

What are your thoughts on F-16 and Venmar?

And what do you think of katsuki?

[Cerulean]

What are your thoughts on F-16 and Venmar?

And what do you think of katsuki?

I'd really would rather table the Venmar discussion from my end 'til about 1-2 more pages but at the risk of tipping my hand, I'd recommend you read this (the games are rather old but the meta might very well still be accurate).
Katsuki has exactly one towntell that I have for him and it's more a body-of-work kind of thing than anything specific. Gun to my head, I'd say he's town but not super confident on this read.

[Cerulean]

Oh, and I still think F-16 is town via his entrance into the game/his general tone/the way he approaches interactions with players I know he'd be afraid of as scum.

[Flipping Awesome]

Do you have any thoughts on Shadoweh so far? I am borderline null/town on her but I am not sure yet.

~ F-16

[Cerulean]

Honestly, I'm just about the last person you should ever ask for a read on Shadoweh (I was really hoping to sheep Tammy here), but she got some minor townpoints from me for #268 (feeling some sort of indignation for being treated invisible and basically demanding people pay attention to her scumhunting is something I'd think is more likely to come from town generally and I think especially so from her).

[sangres]

first game with Shadoweh, I think. I'll have to review some games at some point if/when I need to form my own read rather than depend on nacho's opinion. From what I've seen so far, I don't have any strong reasons to think she's scum.

[Sixty]

Shadoweh is

chainsawing the right people

looks fairly Town so far.

What pings this puppyhalf re: Venmar is the whole "hey let me state how this slot who is completely not under pressure is Town for no good reason" after jumping off him. It was unnecessary, and had a lot more to it than his other reads. It felt like me unnecessarily proclaiming someone as Town in a Skype game a while back. And as we're seeing, it's not like there is a

purpose

in declaring Nacho-Town when he then doesn't bother to interact with him.


But Tim Howard? Tim Howard. See quadz voting a slot that is obviously Town as he slams us for making Tammy feel bad... without bothering to read Tammy through that scene, nor try and consider that Tammy wasn't exactly the kindest person in that interaction either. Nope reaming people was more important and far more ferocious than anything else they have done in terms of the actual game.

[Sixty]

feeling some sort of i

Meh, she knows that you and I would go looking for it and that at least I am not her scumbuddy, so it's not a particularly hard thing to fake. I'm going for actions more than for words.

Plus, she's pretty~

[Sixty]

What happened to that poor quote.

EBWOOF:

[Shadoweh]

feeling some sort of indignation for being treated invisible and basically demanding people pay attention to her scumhunting is something I'd think is more likely to come from town generally and I think especially so from her

Meh, she knows that you and I would go looking for it and that at least I am not her scumbuddy, so it's not a particularly hard thing to fake. I'm going for actions more than for words.

Plus, she's pretty~

[bears repeating!]

[Flipping Awesome]

I thought it felt town too at first but I'm going to check a few of her past games to get a better read.

~ F-16

[ChannelDelibird]

But more importantly, could you tell me why you're sold on them being Town?

Let's go with this, this and this.