NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Yates]

The only immune to me would be SK or werewolf.

Are you just assuming this or did mod tell you? Because all of our NK's have been shot.

Also, who were all your investigations on?

[Yates]

Oh right - I somehow completely missed the second half of the sentence where you said you didn't believe we had either.

But we *did* have a 2nd kill. So that probably *should* be figured out.

[SiX]

Egg, I can't understand how you even bother.
The way you're right now reminds me of kindergarten. How you out of personal feelings dislikes me and can't for once remain objective.
I accepted my mistake, I bit the grass for my wrongdoings and here you weighting it like breaking news.

What more can I do? What do you want me to do? I can't travel back in time and change it.
What you should do is to get over it already and carry on but no, instead you let the slightest things get to you way too easy.

Now, lets not concentrate on the past but the future, alright? Not that you care but I'm willed to get over it and leave it like nothing but a displeasant memory since I don't want to have unnecessary arguements like those.


On-topic:

It turned out I was wrong on Nero Cain and Anxiety, but so what?
Haven't you ever been wrong on any of your reads?
You suspect me of being scum although I claimed having shot Talah, yet you don't suspect RachMarie for her claim having sent a FN to Nero Cain?
As you may or may not see, pretty many ways to see different things and you and I obviously see stuff differently but that's life.

[Yates]

yet you don't suspect RachMarie for her claim having sent a FN to Nero Cain?

SiX.

"Friendly Neighbor is necessarily Town-aligned. "

RM is MOD CONFIRMED Town now that we *know* Nero is Town. Can you imagine a scenario where Nero would lie about that? Me neither. RM is Town.

[Damon_Gant]

In my opinion it is not pertinent to worry about the second kill until AP flips.

[Snork]

The only immune to me would be SK or werewolf.

Are you just assuming this or did mod tell you? Because all of our NK's have been shot.

Also, who were all your investigations on?

I'm assuming that an SK or werewolf kill would result in something other than "shot". Do you think that's a foolish assumption? The only solid information I know for a fact is that players who cannot kill with the "shot" flavor would be shown as not having a gun, and players who can, do.

I investigated DeasVail N1 (I did crumb my target D1 - check my last post of the day). He does not have a gun.

I didn't get back to the thread in time yesterday to crumb last night's target.

Facts:
- My ability applies to players whose kills result in a "shot" kill flavor.
- all kill flavor thus far has been "X was shot" so it is unlikely there is an SK.

- aptil/six claimed N1's second shot. There was again a second shot last night, which tells me either aptil/six was lying or we are looking at multifaction.

- aptil/six's claim, if true, makes the existence of a town vig unlikely.

p-edit: Not with the way you were waffling on mastin, who turned up scum.

Bold is what I think regarding the double shot kills.

[SiX]

Yes, now I highly believe RM is town. But unless Egg didn't check, my post concerning them was back at page 90, WAY before the round ended where nothing was for certain.
This feels sort of like a misunderstanding.

[Yates]

Do you think that's a foolish assumption?

I'm guessing you are assuming an SK would have a knife? If that's your assumption? Then yeah, SK's can have all different kill flavors.

Bold is what I think regarding the double shot kills.

Sorry. I skimmed that one too. Give me a second because I had something I wanted to bring up after Mastin's flip...

[Snork]

I'm sure it's possible the SK would investigate as having a gun, but I personally think it's unlikely. I dunno. Seems a little OP if I can check 2 of the 3 types of anti-town roles.

[Yates]

I wanted to comment on this yesterday but Mastin was hammered before I could add my snarky comment:

Wondering about a Snork-PA-TWIE-4nxi3ty scumteam.

This looks like a scum slip. 4 person scum team [with mastin]. Also seems very likely he included one of his buddies in that "read." If Snork is right about AP [and I see no reason to believe he's faking] he's confirmed. 4nx flipped Town so he's confirmed. That leaves PA and TWIE for my microscope tomorrow.

[Snork]

I'm fairly convinced PA is scum.

[Snork]

I'd like to request that people do not quickhammer so I can at least get a read dump posted before I die.

[Yates]

Seems a little OP if I can check 2 of the 3 types of anti-town roles.

Well, the counter is you could have "caught" our vig if Aptl hadn't used his power immediately and wanted to save it for when he had a higher probability shot.

So anyway, if AP flips SK this is all moot. BUT - it looks like mastin slipped a scum team of 4. A second scum team also seems OP. That's the only thing that has me thinking SK at this point because otherwise I have no explanation for the 2nd shot. 6 scum seems like too many. Plus Aptl claimed one of the kills. IDK.

PE: UNVOTE: mastin
Good idea.

[Snork]

What are we looking at in terms of numbers? 1-4-15?

The second kill is bugging the fuck out of me right now.

[Snork]

UPDATED READS

Conf Town:

DV
RM

Strong town:

Egg
Yates
Snow

Weak town:

TWIE
ThAd

The rest:

DG

Weak scum:

SiX (prob SK)
PV

Strong scum:

pmatt
pa

Conf Scum:

AP

On my to-do list for this afternoon:
* ISO SiX, pmatt, PV
* Chart VCs with flips

I'm going to UNVOTE: for now as well and will see you all in about 4 hours with some VCA. Then we can hang the scumbird.

@Yates:

Just had a thought - if I check SiX tonight, he SHOULD show up as having a gun (at risk of treading thin ice with my role PM - specifies a player who has ever had a gun, so x-shot would not matter). If he DOESN'T have a gun, then we know something. Only thing is I don't want to check SiX tonight. I'd rather check one of the unknowns.

[PeregrineV]

SiX...

AP has a gun because he's scum. My ability only detects players with the ability to kill with "was shot" flavor.

It does not detect cops. He's lying.

While your at it, double check with mod if 1-shot vigs who have used up all thier shots detect as still having the ability to kill, since they don't, anymore.

Also, the way you word this worries me. Are you paraphrasing or assuming?

[Snork]

While your at it, double check with mod if 1-shot vigs who have used up all thier shots detect as still having the ability to kill, since they don't, anymore.

Just answered this, PV:

(at risk of treading thin ice with my role PM - specifies a player who has ever had a gun, so x-shot would not matter).

Also, the way you word this worries me. Are you paraphrasing or assuming?

Why does the wording worry you? Either you believe my claim or not.

Paraphrasing a role PM is an art form I am not talented at

[Snork]

I also specified what I knew and what I didn't know. You should read my posts before asking questions so you don't look like you are just posting words to look busy after AP lost his mind in your scum QT and told you all about the gunsmith that caught him.

I know that my role detects players with the following attributes:
- Can kill
- Kill flavor includes "shot"
- Has or had a gun

What I've assumed:
- SK and/or werewolf kill flavor does not include "shot"
- A cop/tracker JOAT does not have the ability to kill....

[Yates]

Are you paraphrasing or assuming?

In looking for the gunsmith variants to answer this I came across two things I did not realize:

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor.

Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

Using these guidelines, Gunsmiths are considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

Gunsmiths are usually, but

not necessarily, pro-Town

.

1. Looks like AP is not an SK and you were right [Snork] that you wouldn't find one.
2. I've never seen a scum gunsmith. That would be for vig hunting I'm assuming? AP never claimed Vig and we already had a Vig claim Day 2 so I'm not too worried about this being the case. Just always assumed gunsmith = Town. The more you know...

[Yates]

I don't want to check SiX tonight. I'd rather check one of the unknowns.

Yeah. Check someone else. Pretend you are a cop and treat SiX like a Miller claim. Aptil admitted he would show as having a gun and there's no reason not to believe that. I'm not sure what a second check would prove/disprove.

I'll protect you so you can at least get another read out.

[Egg]

Haven't read since my last post, but Six no more PMs until the game ends please. I won't read what you sent until the game is over.

[Egg]

Honestly the fact that you sent it might be a town tell.

=(

[DeasVail]

AP was my strongest scumread after the end of day. I haven't read up, but if hes confscum then that's cool!

[SiX]

Egg, the PM is a personal the 80's related PM and has nothing to do with this game.

[SiX]

Sorry to make this game into a quick arguement chat, this is exactly why I wanted to use PM so we can clear out this misunderstanding in private.
And no, it's because you sign out just because I sign in to the same game (Theme), I don't want to be in such a relationship with you.