NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)
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penguin_alien Mafia Scum penguin_alien
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Trade...what now?
And reading VC stuff retracted, nothing to read.-
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That was SiX. Formerly Aptl. Current claiming one shot vig/one shot BG JOAT.In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:I do think that someone confused about how Friendly Neighbor works killed Nero Cain
You think Snork is fake claiming? What's his out when AP flips Town?In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:Go wiki a role before you fake claim it.
My thoughts as well. Only, why would SK decide not to kill N1? That's what's bothering me.In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:I agree on the mastin scumslip thing with a 4p Mafia, and in a 20p game that likely implies a four-man Mafia with an SK.
Ok. This is actually a really good point. Of course, it isn't worth debating until AP flips. If he flips yellow? We can talk.In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:I was way off on my Snork read and he's Mafia, maybe Mafia Tracker, with an incriminating result on AP
I actually looked. Unless I've missed something, you've been Town in all our games.In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:have you played with scum-me?
I was also going to mention this but didn't see anywhere who the reviewers were [sometimes listed in the signup thread or game OP]. You'd think *someone* would catch something like that. Then again, how long have I been playing here and didn't know??In post 2722, penguin_alien wrote:mods might not use the wiki initially, but these games go through a three-member review board to make sure they conform...
Obviously, I'm hoping TWIE is the buddy since this looks like PA Town to me. But, as you say, I don't know what PA scum looks like.In post 2723, penguin_alien wrote:Frankly, I had taken a stance, uncertain though it might have been.Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Ok, so the biggest things I see from those vote counts:
-Damon and Snow are extremely likely to be town
-I don't like ThAd or projectmatt
-I can't remember why Deas looked bad when I looked before
-Penguin still looks bad (I'll get to this in a second) and I was ready to call whoever replaced bjc scum until I saw it was Snork, so I don't trust these 100%.
Penguin, my issue with you was still VCA related and your reaction to my calling you scum on my entry into the game. However, if you were AP's buddy, you would never call out Snork against the entire town like that in a million years. I'm suspending my scum read on you pending AP's flip. I'll elaborate on this after AP's flip if needed. But I can't see Snork sacraficing himself to get AP lynched if Snork was scum because he'd have already been in a pretty good spot.
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Yates, it's possible that Snork is a mafia rolecop with a result against AP who is on the other scum team. For now, it's not worth worrying about. It's in the back of my mind and that's where it stays until AP flips.
And if there is SK and Six is telling the truth, a kill was probably stopped. I doubt SK chose not to kill.
Oh and the scum read on TheWayItEnds needs to go. He was the Mastin counterwagon and I'm pretty sure Mastin is ridiculously anti-bussing if I remember correctly.-
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She says she is but she's not. Go look at any of her most recent scum games. She bussed her partners all day every day. Only thing is she never let the lynch go through, which doesn't mean much since she was D2 lynch, and D1's counterwagon flipped town N1. That's the only reason I'm currently a bit curious about DG but my reads from D2, with the exception of RM, that have flipped were all correct, so I'm sticking with the fact that Gant's probably town. AP busses too, especially if his partners push him first, and TWIE seems more likely the partner than Snow - I agree Snow is very much likely town.-
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I'm trying to communicate something to you without saying it.In post 2729, Snork wrote:Day 2 VCs were more valuable to me when I was looking at them last night.
Ready?
Look at counts 2.10 and 2.11. Assume Snow and Egg are Town. Think about it...
Agreed 100%.In post 2730, Egg wrote:For now, it's not worth worrying about.
Twice? Both nights resulted in two shots. One shot each night for the mafia kill. Done. One shot N1 from Aptl/SiX. Who was the second shooter last night? Or are you thinking SK also has a "shot"In post 2730, Egg wrote:a kill was probably stoppedflavor[for lack of a better word].Coming soon: 50 Shades of Null
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Except Nat retracted his nonsense claim, which was shitty and incomplete to begin with, in that game.In post 2732, penguin_alien wrote:Street Racers: Las Vegas has made me leery of bad gunsmith claims.
Yates - I'm going to look now.-
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Yeah, Yates, when I thought about it, I realized we have no games where I'm scum, oddly enough.
Bottom line, I agree that Snork doesn't sacrifice himself to get town-AP lynched, but the gunsmith claim is shady as hell. And yes, this game would have been reviewed for normalcy at the least, and the gunsmith description Snork is using is actually a cop, not a gunsmith.
And yes, a gunsmith should detect a spent vig, as the gun is there even if the bullets aren't.
P-edit: claim was retracted yeah, after he'd dodged the lynch for umpteen days. Your point?-
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My point was more about the fact that his claim was lame and shitty to begin with and you guy should have lynched his scum ass Day 2, especially after GiF flipped follower.In post 2736, penguin_alien wrote:P-edit: claim was retracted yeah, after he'd dodged the lynch for umpteen days. Your point?
And in any case, I'm not lying, and you can lynch me if you like. And when I flip town gunsmith, you're next for trying to cast doubt on my claim with the most ridiculous theory that doesn't even make sense. If I'm scum, why would I out myself now? Why wouldn't I wait until closer to LYLO, or LYLO even, to produce some incriminating, game winning information? I'm not on the chopping block, and never really was. If I'm scum, I'm in a pretty good spot. Why shine the light on myself now and offer myself up for a lynch for the sake of getting one person when we have at least 2 days left? WIFOM aside, there's no benefit.
AP is without a doubt a killing role. SK or mafia, I really don't give a fuck. I caught him, and we're going to lynch him. And tonight I'm going to look at someone else.-
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Not to mention the fact that... if I were to fakeclaim something.. why wouldn't I choose something less risky? Cop - knowing who is town makes this an easy one. Doc? Another good one, since scum can essentially control the results. JK? No proof even needed for that one.
Why would Ivoluntarilyclaim when I'm not at L-1? At the beginning of the day when people weren't even paying attention to me? That puts the light on me, makes me obligated to be accountable for my results, and opens me up for a possible counterclaim which could result in my lynch. Makes no sense, pa, and you're scum for even trying.-
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Yates, I'm saying if there is a non-Six SK it looks like this:
N1- Six's kill successful, mafia's kill successful, SK's kill stopped
N2- SK and Mafia both successful
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N1- Six successful, SK successful, mafia stopped
N2- SK and Mafia both successful
^I feel like this is more likely than SK not shooting N1 is what I'm getting at. Remember Six claimed one-shot. If Six is SK, of course it means he and mafia both shot successfully both nights. And yeah, I think after two nights it's safe to say all killers in this game are "shot". My guess is AP will flip mafia and we have a SK out there somewhere, but again, AP's flip first.
Snork/Penguin, you are both obvtown. Realize that now.-
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Snork, think about it. You know AP is mafia or Sk, right? What does that make Penguin?
A) AP's buddy who will look ridiculously bad now once AP flips. Stupid play.
B) mafia with AP as SK. Why cast doubt on your claim unless Penguin knows you are actually the SK or that AP isn't. This only makes sense if you are lying.
C) SK with AP being mafia. Best play is shut up and follow you.
Unless you have something that makes more sense or you are lying, you should realize Penguin is town for doubting you.-
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More dumping. I don't have MS Word at home and the find/replace feature is handy.
*Finished coloring, bolded nulls, also added unflipped town reads in blue and unflipped scum reads in orange. Updated reads list from 2689 below.
p-edit: How come you didn't include the possibility that both SK/mafia or whatever factions we have targeted the same person N1?
p-edit 2: I think she's mafia with AP making a last ditch effort to save his skin. I'd do it. Why is it out of the realm of possibility someone else would?-
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Two factions targetting the same person is possible too. I just didn't think of it.
I gave Penguin more credit than that. I don't think I've ever seen a claimed guilty not get lynched because someone didn't like the claim outside of LYLO. And I've played a lot of games. It's a dumb move, but you're right that it's possible. I just strongly think that's not what we're looking at.-
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Seems like some people suspects me for either as scum or SK here.
I just want to point out some points that might make me less scummy.
- Aptil claimed having Vig 1-shot abilities, not being vig. Thanks Anxiety for notifying me/us about that.
- I was strongly on the list of 'Not to kill', I had no obligation to claim something I wasn't as scum / sk... at that point. All it would so is to make things messy.
- My first time hearing of the JOAT role and to have 2 of them in one game seems rather interesting.
- I obviously had a wrong read on Mastin being town, no scum would have the balls to protect a teammate who's at L-2 at the end of the round (timeleft)
- The next round a sudden secondary shot came, I as SK would have held back.
- AP wants me lynched.
- AP got confirmed having a gun.
So to say, I'm Town JOAT.
Question for the others:
During the JOAT twist which went on for multiple pages AP stood silent. He could impossible have missed all that.
My JOAT claimed got counter claimed by RM her JOAT claim. Instead of having us arguing, AP who ALSO claim JOAT (Third JOAT) should have stepped in saying that 2 JOATs' definently is a posibility with him being the third JOAT - If you see what I mean.
Instead he makes me look as scummy as posible the next round to get me lynched.-
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I didn't say mafia and werewolves - I said twoIn post 2745, Egg wrote:Snork, we could. But that assumes that werewolves are "shooting" or have yet to kill meaning we have mafia, werewolves, and SK.mafiateams.-
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