Tales of You (Endgame)

[Just Sheep Us]

Because I want to know why you think this is easily a more open and shut scenario considering we can confirm nothing about the millers other than they investigate guilty which won't help us?

how many miller claims would you be willing to accept and how do you envision a setup that is based around multiple town millers actually working?

i can think of a variety of situations where multiple town trackers makes sense. i cannot think of a situation where including multiple town millers is a good design choice. can you help me out here?

[AngryPidgeon]

I've ran a setup with 2 millers in it so I dont really find this argument very relevant. Is this BRO or desp?

[Kagura]

how many miller claims would you be willing to accept and how do you envision a setup that is based around multiple town millers actually working?

If we see another miller, I'll actually reopen this conversation myself as I that's probably a threshold of concern simply due to site meta - I am not trying to argue that a setup with 3 town millers does not 'work'.

i cannot think of a situation where including multiple town millers is a good design choice. can you help me out here?

Good design choice in what regard? The millers are not confirmable as anything and they make cops slightly stronger if used effectively and weaker if not. That is about all they do if you don't bring site meta into it.

I don't really see how the setup 'doesn't work' in this hypothetical, so may need to be the one helping me out.
Is this any better or worse than a miller with no cop or a mafia doc with no vig, etc.?

-b

[Just Sheep Us]

desp. how big was your game and what was your thought process behind it?

pedit: worse.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Because I want to know why you think this is easily a more open and shut scenario considering we can confirm nothing about the millers other than they investigate guilty which won't help us?

how many miller claims would you be willing to accept and how do you envision a setup that is based around multiple town millers actually working?

i can think of a variety of situations where multiple town trackers makes sense. i cannot think of a situation where including multiple town millers is a good design choice. can you help me out here?

buzzword bingo called. something about a town cop AND a town rolecop.

In a different setup where there weren't so many town players capable and willing to decide based purely on their reads, the game would probably have lasted more than 2 days. And maybe wouldn't have been a town win.

[Kagura]

pedit: worse.

go on...

-b

[Just Sheep Us]

there's a big difference between a red herring and a cop returning 40% guilty rates.

[AngryPidgeon]

All this setup spec is making me want to eat a burrito, BRB.

P.S: There were also 2 millers in NY 159 (anxiety's game)

I mean I think you are right about one of them bieng fake, so moot point from me. I just disagree on which one. And it is -possible- they exist together. Im just not convinced CF handled the situation like an actual miller.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

there's a big difference between a red herring and a cop returning 40% guilty rates.

Worse than that. scum had a godfather.

[Kagura]

Im just not convinced CF handled the situation like an actual miller.

Because they didn't claim at the beginning of the game?

-b

[Just Sheep Us]

I mean I think you are right about one of them bieng fake, so moot point from me. I just disagree on which one. And it is -possible- they exist together. Im just not convinced CF handled the situation like an actual miller.

if f-16 is scum and he blew his load on this i would be fucking shocked

[Just Sheep Us]

like, "my entire interpretation of the gamestate hinges on f-16 being town" shocked

[Breakfast With Sandy]

All this setup spec is making me want to eat a burrito, BRB.

P.S: There were also 2 millers in NY 159 (anxiety's game)

I mean I think you are right about one of them bieng fake, so moot point from me. I just disagree on which one. And it is -possible- they exist together. Im just not convinced CF handled the situation like an actual miller.

Yeah and I don't believe that F-16 would have signed off on this as a gambit, and his play/reads are entirely consistent with his roleclaim IMO.

In fact, like I said earlier the neighborhood itself, and Bro's RBD read and his play in general makes a hell of a lot more sense with the info about the miller/neighborizer claim in place.

Also, since this is a cabd game I want to point out that cabd thinks a neighborizing role is really powerful in the right town hands. On the flip side, he thinks it's really powerful in the right scum hands, too. and I can see all the mod-wifom he's spreading in this game. at some point the plans within plans within plans come to an end, though, and we as players have to decide what we think.

And CF's/Bro's reads and play showing clear consistency with the role claim clears up a lot of my confusion about this game.

[AngryPidgeon]

@bork: also because he's scum reading rbd over it but took until deadline to use it in a case against him.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

like, "my entire interpretation of the gamestate hinges on f-16 being town" shocked

You said it so much more succinctly

[PeregrineV]

What I really, really don't want to do is turn two potential scum wagons into a deadline lurker town wagon and lynch PeregrineV. I am strongly concerned that AP and Mastin are throwing out his name in the midst of their loud argument. That is a worst possible outcome I can imagine coming out of Day 1 where we let BOTH of them slip by and lynch PV.

Thank you for that. I think.

[AngryPidgeon]

That combined with the "I can't remember when I realized rbd was being serious" doesn't add up.

[PeregrineV]

^ How much interest do you guys having in lynching PV?

I have zero interest in my lynch today. (Or most any other days, in most cases).

[CarbonFiber]

Ugh, I am terrible at not letting mafia interfere with rl. I kept my laptop with me in bed last night and kept posting till 5AM in the morning. I have classes and stuff to go to today and I'll re-read the last 5 or so pages tonight in detail.

I don't get why people are seeing both us and RBD as town. I strongly recommend we lynch them. I'm "if they flip town, lynch/vig us" confident.

Because AP once put two millers in a game doesn't mean it happens regularly or that the counterclaim should be dismissed. It is very, very rare.

Muffin claims he is going to flip "Sworddancer, town battleseeker" where I am claiming we will flip as "town replica."

Look at the scum role PMs on the first page. They all contain the word replica. We're a replica because our character is supposed to be one, but is somehow town in this game.

~ F-16

[PeregrineV]

Nacho was scum with PV in a recent game we played. Nacho is voting PV iirc. I want to talk with him about that.

For myself, I am aware I have a tendency to see his play as scummy lately regardless of his alignment. I'm cautious about the read.

Which game was that?

Also, you could talk to me. What part of my play are you seeing as scummy, and why?

[PeregrineV]

Also could you tell me what posts give you the impression that Kagura is town?

Kagura is voting me. Doesn't that make it autotown?

Votecount 1-20

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (2): Kagura, AngryPidgeon
MastinSSK (5): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo, Just Sheep Us
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, mastinSSK, Rancid Broderick Drake

Not Voting (4): Mac , PeregrineV, Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin, Clyton

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Game has been moved over to the new private topics feature. Please also note the deadline.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV (1): Kagura
PeregrineV (1): AngryPidgeon

Because fuck you, that's why.

QFT

[AngryPidgeon]

No? I think both of you are scummy.

[Yulia Jue]

Bumping

[Cabd]

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