Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 1-22

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (2): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

MastinSSK

MastinSSK (3): CupcakePanda, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (2): Lord Business, Rancid Broderick Drake
CarbonFiber (1): Mac
Rancid Broderick Drake (2): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us


Not Voting (4): PeregrineV, Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin, Clyton

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Please note the deadline.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Nacho was scum with PV in a recent game we played. Nacho is voting PV iirc. I want to talk with him about that.

For myself, I am aware I have a tendency to see his play as scummy lately regardless of his alignment. I'm cautious about the read.

Which game was that?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=39517

Also, you could talk to me. What part of my play are you seeing as scummy, and why?

your lines of inquiry feel disjoint and lead nowhere and your stances are mush. You come perilously close to fitting the implied criteria of your lynch pool selection.

On a paradoxically town note, overall it feels like you're playing some game parallel to this one because you're usually so far out of phase with current game events. It's hard to describe.

[MastinSSK]

For players who were so concerned about NOISE NOISE NOISE.
You guys sure are making a lot of fucking noise.

Look.
Rancid's town, period.
F-16 may be town. (I waffle on that, lean against, but will not gambit on that.)

We let this debate be settled later. On a future day. We can do that, you know. Let it slide for one fucking day. If it's that important, we debate it during D2.
But at the deadline for D1 is NOT. I repeat,

not

, the time to settle this. Not in favor of either goddamned player.

You lynch someone, it's outside the two. PV, myself, let's limit it to those two options, because face it, those are the only realistic lynches.
You don't want to lynch either, tough shit, you're resigning us to a no-lynch, because there's no fucking way that we're lynching either Rancid or Carbon Fiber today.

(Why am *I* the voice of reason? >_<)

[Titan]

So, I had this whole beg understanding of the game then got confused and was about to ask a bunch of questions then realized ffery is NOT in the neighborhood, so never mind!

I am confused about the claim and counterclaim thing. I need to go back and read through it though.

I wish I chose abyss, I love neighborhoods

[PeregrineV]

The scum one was played by Mastin (I think), so curious why he hasn't spoken up on your role any more than he has. The scum one was night activated, and took out an AP hydra.

How much have you read? He has been calling RBD obvtown all game. Im not sure how much the Gladiator part of the claim factors into that, but really we shouldnt be reading someone off of a provable Gladiator claim.

p-edit: >.>, I just want you to know. That if you are scum. ITs going to be Mollie-in-Xenosaga levels of breaking my heart.

That I've read, I see nothing in Mastin's reason for finding Rancid town being based on his role.

And thanks to the Unmasked Kit scum gladiator role (provable), I'm only bringing it up because Rancid did first.

And he is now singing a new tune, and wants to claim more of his role.

How thoughtful.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin I reallllly dont get your CF read, but ok.

But Im already starting to devolve into streetracers D1 mode, so we DO need to start consolidating. Im about on my wits end with all this resistance to doing anything that everyone here seems to have.

[CarbonFiber]

We're NOT doing a compromise deadline wagon when there is a counterclaim.

~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

Because we are going to be in the same position tomorrow except with a bad deadline (most likely town) lynch on our hands. There is no

need

to find a deadline compromise wagon.

~ F-16

[AngryPidgeon]

PeregrineV (2): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK
MastinSSK (3): CupcakePanda, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (2): Lord Business, Rancid Broderick Drake
CarbonFiber (1): Mac
Rancid Broderick Drake (2): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us

Players I wont lynch Today: titan, Orcinus, Mac, Stalin, RBD, Foxhound, Clyton

Players I want to lynch today: PV, Kagura, F-16
Players I would lynch today and be content with: GIF, CupcakePanda, Lord Business
Players: I would rather not lynch today but like I guess if I had to I would: MastinSSK, JSU, RG

[AngryPidgeon]

That said, Im about 12 hours away from just voting whatever the leading wagon is regardless because I hate all of you wafflers and dumbs who wont actually entertain compromises.

[Just Sheep Us]

AP, your refusal to lynch RBD makes zero fucking sense.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, your refusal to lynch RBD makes zero fucking sense.

Ya, well, your townread on F-16 flying scumbutt makes no sense. He really should be B-2 flying scumfuck because hes so stealthy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nothing RBD has done looks scummy. The claim looks town. The over aggressiveness in all aspects looks town. The trolling looks town. The emotion looks town.

I havent read a point against them that looks valid. Certainly not the "counterclaim" Certainly not anything you guys have posted.

Literally the only reason I would want to lynch them is for the Hated part.

[MastinSSK]

For players who were so concerned about NOISE NOISE NOISE.
You guys sure are making a lot of fucking noise.

If you don't believe me, take a look.
You just made five fucking pages.
Of what can be boiled down as such:
"We're counterclaiming miller, with this extra ability."
"Well, you're scum, then, because that doesn't add up. Also, have some details of our ability."
"I think that this one's scum."
"No, it's clearly that one who's scum."
"Umm, Cabd game? They both can be town, you know."
"True, but I still think this one's scum."
"No, that one is scum!"

Five fucking pages.
Of nothing but that.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

We're NOT doing a compromise deadline wagon when there is a counterclaim.

~ F-16

Because we are going to be in the same position tomorrow except with a bad deadline (most likely town) lynch on our hands. There is no

need

to find a deadline compromise wagon.

~ F-16

Maybe you're not. I'm townreading you both and I'm not going to discount my read over role shit in a cabd game.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Also, someday I want to know why you think trying to understand your reads or trying to get you to further explain your reads equates to scumreading you. but that can wait.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ffery, assume Nacho died. What are you going to do for the next 24 hours?

[MastinSSK]

(Though, for the record:
Cabon's 55/45 scum/town. A reduction of 5% comes from me seeing how Carbon's claim kinda sorta fits as town.
Rancid's 90/10 town/scum. A reduction of 5% comes from some aspects of how they're handling the claim not seeming entirely town and as a result, me not quite seeing how it'd fit as town.

But overall, I'll judge by play over claim. Thus why said reductions are only slight, and Rancid's play is immensely town and F-16's is vaguely-but-not-strongly scum.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

or maybe you didn't think I was scumreading you? Maybe you thought I was still trying to sort you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh and I strongly -strongly- get the heebie-jeebies from Bork referencing a game where PA got miuslynched for being in a game whee Nacho was her hydrabuddy and went AWOL.

Bork isn't even remotely in a position to get lynched today or even tomorrow so him lofting that out there feels a little fake.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ffery, assume Nacho died. What are you going to do for the next 24 hours?

For the next 2 hours I'm going to be a hypochondriac. For the hour after that I'm going to see my doctor and pick up whatever meds she prescribes.

Then, in all likelihood I'm going to be taking prednisone for 7-10 days and I'll be batshit crazy in all aspects of life including mafia, but I won't be going-out-of-my-mind itchy if this is poison oak. I'll just be going-out-of-my-mind-on-prednisone.

Should be interesting. I usually have delusions of benign omniscience on prednisone.

[MastinSSK]

We're NOT doing a compromise deadline wagon when there is a counterclaim.

Yes.
Yes, we are.

Because that's the pro-town play.

If there was reasonable doubt about the plausibility of there being two millers, sure, yeah. Lynch a miller.
There isn't.

Both could be town.

Furthermore, while neither ability can be proven via cop investigation, both abilities can be proven by other methods.

We'll never get a clear understanding of the alignments of either, especially not in a Cabd game.
But we'll have a much better understanding after a day or two.
There are certain roles in which you lynch one after there's been a CC, in certain circumstances. Especially out of theme games, it's practically the default except in some rare cases.
This is not one of those times.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Oh and I strongly -strongly- get the heebie-jeebies from Bork referencing a game where PA got miuslynched for being in a game whee Nacho was her hydrabuddy and went AWOL.

Bork isn't even remotely in a position to get lynched today or even tomorrow so him lofting that out there feels a little fake.

I'm the one who mentioned the mislynch. Bork was focused on the expected-to-channel-Nacho situation PA was in on day 1 and most of day 2.

[AngryPidgeon]

For the next 2 hours I'm going to be a hypochondriac. For the hour after that I'm going to see my doctor and pick up whatever meds she prescribes.

Hey, thats like me! Literally every time I get a cold, my anxiety kicks in and Im like "Fuck I have syphillus or swine flu or something equally terrible"

Is it ironic that my boyfriend is a medical student?

[MastinSSK]

But if you really want to lynch a miller claim, F-16, by all means, self-vote.
Rancid's never getting lynched today.
EVER.

Even if you had all the scum and all the members of the neighborhood backing you (let's assume there's no overlap), you'd still end up falling short.

Push me. Push PV. Sure. But Rancid's living today.