Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 1-27 (Unchanged from 1-26)

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

MastinSSK

, Mac, Clyton,
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (3): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados, Rancid Broderick Drake
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (4): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Please note the deadline.

[Just Sheep Us]

You see, here's what I don't get.

You yell at me for my reads not evolving.

And yet all you've done in response to me scum-reading you is adhom my skill, appeal to my ego, and go about the same behavior that led me to scumread you in the first place.

RBD does the same thing, except throws in a fakeclaim for good measure.

You ignore my reads with respect to the rest of the playerbase. It's like you only care about my reads on you and RBD.

I wonder why...

[MastinSSK]

And yet all you've done in response to me scum-reading you is adhom my skill, appeal to my ego, and go about the same behavior that led me to scumread you in the first place.

Well your scumread on me was, is, and will continue to be crap, soyeah.

You ignore my reads with respect to the rest of the playerbase.

What

reads on the rest of the playerbase?

Oh, I vaguely remember that you've got some. Maybe an AP townread that I'm considering. Oh, and a Carbon townread...which I now agree with. But that's about it, since all you've done is shout how we're both scum.

It's like you only care about my reads on you and RBD.

Because that's all the reads you are actually presenting, perhaps.

[Just Sheep Us]

Yeah I'm not going to apologize for spending most of my time in-thread trying to get scum lynched, especially when my other reads and a lot of backend are on-record in the neighborhood QT, and when I have made other fairly clear stances this game.

Especially in the context of a game where scum (you and RBD) are trying very hard to drown everything under the mist.

[MastinSSK]

Alright, in addition to AP and Carbon Fiber.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

]MastinSSK

, Mac,

Clyton

,

Hey mastin:
Bolded are the names of people that are below the null/null-scum line.

Okay. So you null/scumread Clyton. I'll grant you that.

But I explicitly asked you for why, and you gave nothing. So there's nothing to respect because there's nothing you've presented.

This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Cupcake and Yakuri would be the ones I'd most like to lynch. But that's less from a strong scmread and more frm a lack of townread.

I expect more from you :/

You've read PV, but that's unclear. Overall, you seem to be calling him town, but the closest I've gotten to finding a reason for why is "AP wants him dead, Rancid wants him dead, Mastin wants him dead, that means I don't want him dead".

Look at the interactions that lead Tammy to spam-post as hard as she did. She was the central figure in this game for a very long time. Why was that the case?

You townread Tammy, which, yep. I agree with.

Probably because I've yelled about it a lot. Sometimes me yelling about things works.

A townread on Katsuki. Which I actually listened to.

Wow. ns's vote on me looks terribad if mastin flips scum.

You might have a scumread on Red Gyarados (it's unclear), but it's apparently dependent on me flipping scum. Which of course I'm not going to fucking respect.

So are you going to disagree that saying that an entrance "100% cannot be town" is bad logic when that entrance has been used by the same player as town? Because that line of logic really shouldn't be that hard.

So you're actually holding back from using curse words with Mac, and I'm kinda assuming that means townread. Which, again, is nothing different from me.

:/
Why does nobody scum hunt the way I do

Oh, this is a townread of Stalin. Which, again, I'm listening to.

As I continue my way up your iso (I work in reverse-chronological order for this kind of thing), I'm sure I could nail things down better.

But basically: with a couple of exceptions (that I have explicitly already BEEN listening to!) you've not truly given any read to listen to. Either it's a read that I already believe, or it's a read that relies on me/Muffin being scum which I'm obviously not going to listen to.

And this is literally well over half way up your iso, and basically the best non-Mastin and non-Muffin content you give in there, because your content is so focused on us two that there's essentially nothing but us in there.

[MastinSSK]

Yeah I'm not going to apologize for spending most of my time in-thread trying to get scum lynched, especially when my other reads and a lot of backend are on-record in the neighborhood QT, and when I have made other fairly clear stances this game.

Especially in the context of a game where scum (you and RBD) are trying very hard to drown everything under the mist.

For a player concerned about the mist, again, your iso seems to have quite a lot of noise in it.

Because again. You've spent basically all that time lynching two players.

One of which I know 100% to be town.
The other which I'm 95% certain is town.

You don't owe an apology if you're scum. You owe no apology if zMuffinman were to somehow flip scum. But otherwise? Fuck yeah you do. There's only so many times you can use the excuse of "I had a bad game" before you realize you're doing something deeply, deeply wrong.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I would actually like to be lynched (just because I literally do not want town to win this, which is why I'm stepping back and giving full control of play to Nati because I cannot play to win con)

And then I would like for mastin to be lynched after us just so town is in a really shit position

I have told Nati what he should do if he still cares about winning - it's a cheap tactic (and i don't think it's a rule violation but i told him to check with cabd before he does it), but if you still think we're scum after it happens, you literally have no idea how to scum hunt

If you have any sense you'll wait to see whether he decides to do what I told him to do. I don't care either way, though.

[Lord Business]

Catching up now. Not sure why RBD has decided to have such an attitude but I'm sure it will become apparently on the read over

[MastinSSK]

Oi!
Rancid!

Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is

my

thing. Don't go stealing it!

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

[Just Sheep Us]

[Just Sheep Us]

Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to pretend to paraphrase paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order. Because apparently this isn't something you can do as scum.

ftfy

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I actually don't think the stuff in our hydra QT could be faked by scum-us, but if he posts it, you'll get to judge it yourself, and if you're actually town and still think we're scum, I will literally lol at how bad at scum hunting you actually are

[Just Sheep Us]

I

actually

don't think the stuff in our hydra QT could be faked by scum-us, but if he posts it, you'll get to judge it yourself, and if you're

actually

town and still think we're scum,

I will

literally

lol at how bad at scum hunting you

actually

are

Since I'm doing some commentary on Latin right now, let's dunk this shit commentary style.

actually – Use of the adverbial intensifier to emphasize how much he thinks of his opinion.

actually – Same as before.

I will – Failure to contract is a formalization of speech. Liars frequently slip into more formal speech when lying to seem more believable ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman")

literally – You really want us to think that you'll do this.

actually - 3x actually in a 2 line post. Wow. You are being soooooooooo honest

[MastinSSK]

That depends on a couple of factors, Rancid.
First off is the mod themselves, and what they'll allow.
Second off is how closely you paraphrase.
Third off is how the whole ordeal is handled. Like, DesBro is correct that you can fake content in a hydra QT (or post real content through a filter), but how you deal with the whole ordeal largely contributes to the read.

And in this case, the third is the thing. The way you're handling the ordeal basically makes you being scum a near-impossibility, not because of the conversations, but how you decided to handle their reveal.

So overall, I'd say it's largely circumstantial. It's certainly a gray area, so this is neither an endorsement nor a rejection of it, just things to consider about it. (I actually think this might be an interesting conversation to have. I know that if brought up in MD, the overall opinion would be negative towards it, and that my opinion of it being circumstantial would be a bit of an oddity. Butyeah. I really, really think it depends.)

[MastinSSK]

(Speaking of QTs, I just now realized that I'm reusing my QT from last game with SSK, but that it's virtually empty, 'cause in both, we mainly communicated through site chat when both around, which we often alternated in being.)

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Third off is how the whole ordeal is handled. Like, DesBro is correct that you can fake content in a hydra QT (or post real content through a filter), but how you deal with the whole ordeal largely contributes to the read.

No. I mean, it's technically possible that we faked it, I guess, if you're trying really, really hard to see me as scum, but honestly, I've read over it myself and I don't know how you could.

It contains all my bare thoughts on the game. Even just paraphrased not very closely, it should be obvious.

I've even suggested to Nati linking Cabd to our hydra QT in case he wants to check how closely it's paraphrased to make sure it's not violating rules.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

And I told him to post it in order because if anyone actually reads our ISO in tandem with it, they should be able to see the read progressions and how I felt about the game at various points shine through, even if my QT thoughts themselves weren't obvtown enough

(Obviously it would be stripped of time stamps because that would be a violation, I think, but it should be very obvious which stage of the game it's at if he posts it in order)

It really shouldn't be any more of a violation than anyone else talking about stuff that's said in a hydra QT - I only consider it against the spirit of the game because thinking we're scum after it happens would be really, really hard I think.

[Just Sheep Us]

Go ahead, do it.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

No. If Nati wants to, he can

I actually want to be lynched, actually. Actually

[Titan]

Tammy, what's up with the vote/unvote thing?

or warm feet. cold feet. warm feet. cold feet. I'm not sure they make sense as scum.

I

actually

don't think the stuff in our hydra QT could be faked by scum-us, but if he posts it, you'll get to judge it yourself, and if you're

actually

town and still think we're scum,

I will

literally

lol at how bad at scum hunting you

actually

are

Since I'm doing some commentary on Latin right now, let's dunk this shit commentary style.

actually – Use of the adverbial intensifier to emphasize how much he thinks of his opinion.

actually – Same as before.

I will – Failure to contract is a formalization of speech. Liars frequently slip into more formal speech when lying to seem more believable ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman")

literally – You really want us to think that you'll do this.

actually - 3x actually in a 2 line post. Wow. You are being soooooooooo honest

~~~~~

In other news, I will be in meetings all day so I will not be around. I realize deadline is 16 hours away. I'll be back in like 8 or so, and will be here until deadline.

[Titan]

Oh hey, look I didn't use contractions two times. I must really want you all to believe I will be in meetings all day >_>

[Clyton]

I would actually like to be lynched (just because I literally do not want town to win this, which is why I'm stepping back and giving full control of play to Nati because I cannot play to win con)

And then I would like for mastin to be lynched after us just so town is in a really shit position

I have told Nati what he should do if he still cares about winning - it's a cheap tactic (and i don't think it's a rule violation but i told him to check with cabd before he does it), but if you still think we're scum after it happens, you literally have no idea how to scum hunt

If you have any sense you'll wait to see whether he decides to do what I told him to do. I don't care either way, though.

What is this attitude man? You might as well be a true scum even if you flipped town by acting this way. My apologies to how you wanted to be ended.

Vote: Rancid Broderick Drake

First thing first, I will admit it was rather foolish of me to vote for PV with inadequate information and reads. I won't apologize for this vote, but I will make it up for you, assuming you are truly town as the game progresses.

Secondly, I forgot who it was while I was skimming this thread (Mastin or Stalin or maybe both of you), but I won't deny your suspicions on me should be justified. In fact, it should be justified and encouraged. A pivotal role in playing mafia is also making use of the role abilities you have, not just pure information gathering, analysis, hypotheses and deductions. It's true I "appear to be doing good", but of course that is what you say! In my opinion, If I want to actually do some good, I need power to make something happen. Come what may everyone's opinion on this statement, but this is what I feel about the reads on me: honest and reasonable, and should be encouraged from the lot of you.

Yet I feel this is what some people lack. Particularly, I'm eyeing JSU and CF. Multiple times, I have seen me being put as near-scum/scum in their eyes; essentially an accusation. Yet in their accusations, no reasoning was provided at all! How am I suppose to take you guys seriously if you don't provide a reasoning? How am I suppose to understand you? Is it because "he's scum so let's not talk to him for now"? Know this, eventually you will form a proper case against me if your accusations hold. I'll be ready, and if you don't come at me genuinely as town members, then I will know something's up and I will stomp you to the ground, exposing you for who you really are. In no way am I threatening or discouraging your case on me; this is merely a reminder as you ponder over night what to do about your accusations on me. And I will be honest in my defenses; whether that convinces you two of my alignment is all up in the air.

[Clyton]

Also, I will like to notify everyone that I will not be back before the deadline. I'm sure I did not forget anything else I wanted to say, but see ya all next day!

[The Fox and the Hound]

The mastin read is weird

Yes, it is. For now though, I've decided to stop viewing her posts through whatever the opposite of rose-tinted glasses is and try to see them as potentially town; we'll see how that makes me feel slash if I'm capable of seeing them coming from a town mindset if I squint hard enough.

and the flop onto RBD feels uninspired?

??????

Yeah I'm not going to apologize for spending most of my time in-thread trying to get scum lynched, especially when my other reads and a lot of backend are on-record in the neighborhood QT, and when I have made other fairly clear stances this game.

Especially in the context of a game where scum (you and RBD) are trying very hard to drown everything under the mist.

For a player concerned about the mist, again, your iso seems to have quite a lot of noise in it.

Because again. You've spent basically all that time lynching two players.

One of which I know 100% to be town.
The other which I'm 95% certain is town.

You don't owe an apology if you're scum. You owe no apology if zMuffinman were to somehow flip scum. But otherwise? Fuck yeah you do. There's only so many times you can use the excuse of "I had a bad game" before you realize you're doing something deeply, deeply wrong.

You know, being aggressively wrong is not a heinous crime, Mr. "MafiaSSK is confirmed town."