Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 1-28

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Deadline is soon.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

bork, what are your thoughts?

[Clyton]

Yet I feel this is what some people lack. Particularly, I'm eyeing JSU and CF. Multiple times, I have seen me being put as near-scum/scum in their eyes; essentially an accusation. Yet in their accusations, no reasoning was provided at all! How am I suppose to take you guys seriously if you don't provide a reasoning? How am I suppose to understand you? Is it because "he's scum so let's not talk to him for now"? Know this, eventually you will form a proper case against me if your accusations hold. I'll be ready, and if you don't come at me genuinely as town members, then I will know something's up and I will stomp you to the ground, exposing you for who you really are. In no way am I threatening or discouraging your case on me; this is merely a reminder as you ponder over night what to do about your accusations on me. And I will be honest in my defenses; whether that convinces you two of my alignment is all up in the air.

I think you misunderstood my reads. I have 11 strong townreads and 3 scumreads. That's 14 out of the 16 players (besides myself). I am basically null on you and LordB at this point.

Confirm with me cause I think I didn't get the memo. You are able to set up neighbourhoods, but not get into that neighbourhood if your title is not the same as that hood, even if you are the creator?

[Just Sheep Us]

He creates a neighborhood for a game.

He chose "Tales of the Abyss" today, which has himself, me/Desp/GiFPie/NachoBork.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 1-28

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Deadline is soon.

Did Stella/MastinSSK get her groove/vote back?

[Kagura]

bork, what are your thoughts?

Every fiber of my being is telling me this is town rage.

The miller claim stuff is chaff compared to that.

Everyone in the neighborhood is telling me I'm wrong.

-b

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya. I ask myself "Would I be capable of that level of Ate as scum".. The answer is a resounding " probably not". I'm a borderline compulsive bullshitter so I just find it highly unlikely all the defeatist posting is scum. But yeh. IM on my way to the airport. I'll be around in a few hours.

[PeregrineV]

I just, I literally don't know what to do at this point to make this obvious. The fact that even people who have played with me are still reading me wrong(GIF!!!) is just so mind-boggling.

I've played with you both. My experience:

Scum-Nati : Street Racers 2
Town-Nati: Fire Emblem

Scum-Muffin: Marketplace Mafia 3
Town-Muffin: Fire Emblem
Town-Muffin-hydra: N's Game
Scum-Muffin: Death's Diner

Results vary, since I sometimes read you both correctly and incorrectly, but since that happens in every game, not sure why you bring that up.

But, everything said by Yggdra about your response to Carbon was true.

[AngryPidgeon]

FTR I 100% support the motion to set a fake 5 day out from real DL... DL. Cause this is just awful.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

bork, what are your thoughts?

Every fiber of my being is telling me this is town rage.

The miller claim stuff is chaff compared to that.

Everyone in the neighborhood is telling me I'm wrong.

-b

I can appreciate the fuckitiquit attitude but I would rather lynch scum today. :/

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya well you're still doing nothing proactive in that department

[MastinSSK]

Ohshit.

You might as well be a true scum even if you flipped town by acting this way. My apologies to how you wanted to be ended.

Vote: Rancid Broderick Drake

DesBRO is probably town.

Clyton's scum.

[MastinSSK]

I've decided to stop viewing her posts through whatever the opposite of rose-tinted glasses is and try to see them as potentially town;

Well, there's jade-tinted glasses for cynicism, but I think a better gem for seeing scum would be obsidian-tinted glasses.

You know, being aggressively wrong is not a heinous crime, Mr. "MafiaSSK is confirmed town."

'Course not. I'm not scumreading DesBRO for it. Just snarking at him for it. (When I stop putting on the mask of me and start acting like the actual real life me, I'm actually a bit of a deadpan snarker.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

As for the lack of suspects, I am feeling surprisingly confident on where the scumteam is: MastinSSK, Rancid, AP, and one of {Clyton, LordB, and maybe Yggrdra Union but I don't think so}.

Of this group, I'd vote mastin (on the basis of GiF/Pie's read mostly) or LordB. I don't think rancid is scum. I'm totally perplexed by muffin's recent posts, but I don't think either of them would behave like this as scum. Clyton's posts worry me.

p-edit hmm.

[Just Sheep Us]

We can deal with Clyton later.

pedit: ffery, are you trying to get me to scumread you?

[MastinSSK]

Votecount 1-28

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Btw, want to crossreference the names on this Rancid wagon with the equally-large wagon on me, and see what overlap there is.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

We can deal with Clyton later.

pedit: ffery, are you trying to get me to scumread you?

I don't really care how you read me. I just don't want to lynch town today.

you keep yelling about a scumclaim, but I am not reading it that way.

[MastinSSK]

Did Stella/MastinSSK get her groove/vote back?

Read my damn claim again. It's really not hard to understand. My vote doesn't count on a lead wagon. Meaning that for all intensive purposes, my vote doesn't count. (Because lynches are by definition on the lead wagon.) My vote counts on wagons that aren't the lead wagon. Thus, because you're not the lead wagon, my vote counts.

Everyone in the neighborhood is telling me I'm wrong.

Well, that's because they're the terrible trio.

[Just Sheep Us]

Votecount 1-28

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Btw, want to crossreference the names on this Rancid wagon with the equally-large wagon on me, and see what overlap there is.

It's gonna be me/CF/Foxhound. Maybe p5?

[MastinSSK]

I don't think rancid is scum.

Then you literally can't think I'm scum.

[The Fox and the Hound]

I don't know why anyone thinks this is town ATE, it looks like scum ATE to me.

What I view as a scumclaim more than the thing Sheep is hung up on is the way they reacted to CF's miller claim while not being a miller. Look at their posts directly after the claim. From here, they look really really terrible.

@2790: there will probably be a lot considering how many players' reads on each of you are largely based on stances you've both taken.

[MastinSSK]

Votecount 1-18

PeregrineV (1): Kagura
MastinSSK (6): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo, Just Sheep Us, AngryPidgeon
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, Clyton, mastinSSK
The Fox and the Hound (1): Rancid Broderick Drake

Not Voting (4): Mac , PeregrineV, Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Votecount 1-28

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,
Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin
With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Carbon, Fox/Hound, and DesBro, yep. Though it should be noted that the VCs don't tell the whole story; Yygra has us both as scum yet hasn't moved from me, and PV had me as scum but never voted me. (As just two; there's probably more important people I'm forgetting.)

Soyeah, Fox/Hound does mildly look worse from this, especially if working on DesBRO being town, but it's not by much. (Especially if Clyton's scum.)

[The Fox and the Hound]

What's bad about being on both those wagons?

[MastinSSK]

What I view as a scumclaim more than the thing Sheep is hung up on is the way they reacted to CF's miller claim while not being a miller. Look at their posts directly after the claim. From here, they look really really terrible.

Problem:

As scum, why would they take the claim back? Knowing it'd bite them in the ass. Why do that, when they weren't getting lynched? Why do that? Why "scumclaim" when they can ride out deadline and be fine? Why not keep up the charade, ESPECIALLY given the people thinking two millers was possible? Why take it back, at the absolute worst time they could possibly choose to take it back?

It's not scumplay.

It's townplay.

Best example to come to my mind instantly would be (*groan*) House Party, and my mason fakeclaim with Majiffy. If I had been scum, there would have been no reason to let people suddenly doubt that. But because I was town, I couldn't in good conscience let myself do that. So I took it back, even though in hindsight I shouldn't have.

Same basic thing here.

[MastinSSK]

What's bad about being on both those wagons?

They're both on incredibly-strong town players? Who have been posting content consistently and are obvtown by play, and scumhunting consistently and raising a lot of good points?