Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

If PV's going to be a mislynch, vote RBD or Mastin instead. Even on the miniscule chance that he is town, that'll help several of us recalibrate our reads.

[Just Sheep Us]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

What's the town-motivation in holding it in the context of the gladiator claim?

What's the scum-motivation in CCing 90 pages later?

These aren't hard questions to answer, Mac.

[CarbonFiber]

Not sure what the hesitance is Tammy. You've voted to lynch people with much less certainty before.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Saying things over and over again won't make people believe them.

Actually, that does work a surprising amount of the time. I noticed once that good players often get their lynches through this way, so I tried it. It actually does work when the playerlist isn't stacked.

~Ceph

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I suppose you could say:
My role is such that I'm not someone who never is getting lynched this game.
But my play is such that I shouldn't ever be lynched this game.

You claimed a shittier version of a standard tree stump, and your plays been scummy as.

I don't get how many times I have to say this to you.

Saying things over and over again won't make people believe them.

I'm trying to decide if this is irony or sarcasm.

want to go with irony.

[Clyton]

I posted something in our hydra QT and flipped back to this thread and saw your post, clyton.

What I posted was that If I were playing on my own, I'd probably vote peregrine as a consensus measure with Mac and Kagura, with a full understanding that it's a compromise likely to result in a mislynch.

This is basically an untenable day 1 for me. I could put a vote *somewhere* and feel more useful I guess, but if I'm going to do that - waste our vote - I'd rather just not vote and take the heat for that tomorrow.

RBD have indicated they'll gladiate one of my townreads tomorrow, so even if they survive today, tomorrow looks like another shit game day.

Yes, I agree. A PV is a very easy mislynch opportunity. But I also feel RBD is town, and his supposed 'scum-claim' is out of pure frustration. Likewise, I am still trying to understand JSU and CF, but I'm not going to be hasty to put them as scum for their push.

You know what, you admitted that you will be taking some heat for tomorrow. I am a player who generally avoids such a situation, but this game I will make an exception.

Vote: Rancid Broderick Drake

I'm willing to sacrifice RBD and see if my reads are correct. If he's town, I'm going to look into JSU and CF. If he's truly scum, I will look at Mastin and AP.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

What's the town-motivation in holding it in the context of the gladiator claim?

What's the scum-motivation in CCing 90 pages later?

These aren't hard questions to answer, Mac.

He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

[Just Sheep Us]

Why does scum Muffin, who is the fucking reigning DON CORLEONE on site and has fooled the majority of players in this game, feel the need to claim miller right out the gate?

Why does scum Muffin fake apathy and then go on to fucking admit it was fake and he just wanted to see if anyone would townread him?

WHY IS TOWN MUFFINATI BEING LYNCHED?

1) Claimed millers are conftown under current site meta (scum aren't miller claiming much right now). RBD already stated this. It's a moderate-risk, high-reward cheese play.

2) The repeated bringing-up of the Don Corleone thing is a load of bollocks. You were in NY169, where scum-muffin completely sucked and let himself get bussed, despite the bussing being the obviously wrong play.

3) Towncred.

4) Why are you town reading scum?

[Mac]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

What's the town-motivation in holding it in the context of the gladiator claim?

What's the scum-motivation in CCing 90 pages later?

These aren't hard questions to answer, Mac.

I don't care much for the first question right now, but I'm not arguing that CF are scum at all right now. I'm arguing that RBD are town and there is town motivation in pressing CF to see if the claim is true. Why would he back off early as town?

[Titan]

Not sure what the hesitance is Tammy. You've voted to lynch people with much less certainty before.

Stop it.

Your posting towards me and me trying to figure this out starting last night feels like manipulation, not like you're interested in where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to figure out.

[Just Sheep Us]

Saying things over and over again won't make people believe them.

Actually, that does work a surprising amount of the time. I noticed once that good players often get their lynches through this way, so I tried it. It actually does work when the playerlist isn't stacked.

~Ceph

I hate people.

[MastinSSK]

I was just overall off that game.

And your pushes this game have been on my #1 townread and on me this game.

So I have reason to believe history has repeated itself. Rather, I would, if you recognized that you were having an off game here and now. If you don't, well, then, you're just being a bad player. (Seriously, one of the very first lessons I teach my students is that the first step to becoming a great player is realizing you're not as good as you think you are.)

when pressured she just asks a bunch of pointless questions that don't lead anywhere in order to create a bunch of confusion to derail the lynch off herself.

And I already addressed this, soyeah.

nothing in there is in any way, shape or form hard to fake or comes across like she's actually trying to make a real argument.

'Course the actions aren't hard to fake. It's the way they're done and the tone that is. (As for the argument, that again implies there was an attempt to fight when there was none.)

everyone else is bad for thinking about the possibility.

Well, yes. I'm humble enough that I fully admit to my screwups as a player. But this game, there hasn't been any, aside from one or two snarky comments when I was angry-snarking rather than deadpan-snarking. There's been anti-town fighting (the AP spat), but nothing about me even remotely similar to my scumgame. This is my townplay, through-and-through, to its very core. And every player who knows me has pointed that out.

she's getting into pointless debates that don't have anything to do with anything to distract ppl from their reads on her.

Name a scumgame I've done this in and I'll be impressed. It certainly wasn't Attack on Titan, because there I was manipulating, not pointlessly rambling.

the way she's strongarming lynches is the exact same as in AOT too.

Right, because I'm the one who's strongarming the lynch through right now in arrogance rather than attempting to work with others.

she's just blatantly ignoring all the town things CF did all game, despite the fact that SHE KNOWS F-16 CAN'T FAKE THIS LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AS SCUM AFTER PLAYING SCUM WITH HER.

Again, I addressed this. You ignored it. There is no transparency in-thread. There's a train of thought that is town that can be followed...but it is convoluted off of just the in-thread posting. It takes squinting really hard and using your creative juices to see. You're biased because you have the neighborhood to see it whereas I do not. I'm sure I'd agree with you if I could actually see what you do. That CF couldn't fake the transparency that he'd surely have. But since I don't, I haven't. Really not that hard to understand.

Really. Both ffery and even Tammy haven't been instantly townreading F-16. Know why? Because he hasn't been as transparent as you and he have claimed...in-thread. I'm sure that if ffery or Tammy had access, like me, they'd instantly have agreed. But since they don't, they haven't. And like me, they ultimately have figured out he's town. But it's really not as clear as you're saying it is.

I caught her in AOT bc he was pushing Kagami and doing THE EXACT SAME THING (for context, she almost outright broke the game and even if it didn't affect anything in the end it was the most blindingly bright town thing I've seen ever) and I finally had enough and called bullshit on it and I WAS RIGHT

For someone claiming that they're not reading me off of shitty tells.
This sure sounds like your read on me is based off of a shitty tell.

Yes, I pushed Kagami as scum. Yes, you called me scum for it and I was scum. (Btw, this proves your backing-down point is BS since I never backed down from Kagami. Kagami never got onto the positive side of null, and the only reason I shifted focus from Kagami was because I was clearing a path for my scumbuddies to live via lynching Bert.) Correlation does not imply causation. I pushed Kagami because I felt like pushing Kagami. It's that simple.

then ignored fox's reach out

My read on fox is currently null. Nullscum overall via POE, but they're far from having been ignored.

in xenosaga I was just off overall and I never really got into the game. most of my reads sucked ass until I took a step back and thought about things some more and even I was still out of it

And the reason you think your reads aren't sucking ass now is...
(You haven't taken that step back to think things through. You're playing emotionally. Not rationally.)

[Just Sheep Us]

He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

[CarbonFiber]

Not sure what the hesitance is Tammy. You've voted to lynch people with much less certainty before.

Stop it.

Your posting towards me and me trying to figure this out starting last night feels like manipulation, not like you're interested in where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to figure out.

It is not uncommon for me to ask specific people to vote for my scumreads.

I think my problem this game is that I figured things out at a faster pace than others possibly because I spent too much time reading it. In general, if we figure things out together at the same pace, the discussion would be more productive. But here I feel like I already figured it out and am waiting for you to do it which means I am pushing my solidified reads while you are trying to solidify them and that created more of a clash and impatience from my end. I'll to reign it down and I want to get on the same page as you. What are your thoughts so far about the latest developments of the game.

[Natirasha]

F-16 when you lynch us and we flip town will you remember that mastin is town? Or will you sit there with your mouth firmly attached to the scum's dick still, because the amount of willful suspension you are showing is exactly why I had you down as scum for as long as I did.

Like drawing a three-way connection between us AP and Mastin on day one with no flips is just laughingly bad.

[Natirasha]

Pedit: holy shit at least when I have an ego, I do it in a way that's fun. You're so conceited its not even funny.

[CarbonFiber]

Not sure what the hesitance is Tammy. You've voted to lynch people with much less certainty before.

Stop it.

Your posting towards me and me trying to figure this out starting last night feels like manipulation, not like you're interested in where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to figure out.

It is not uncommon for me to ask specific people to vote for my scumreads.

I think my problem this game is that I figured things out at a faster pace than others possibly because I spent too much time reading it. In general, if we figure things out together at the same pace, the discussion would be more productive. But here I feel like I already figured it out and am waiting for you to do it which means I am pushing my solidified reads while you are trying to solidify them and that created more of a clash and impatience from my end. I'll to reign it down and I want to get on the same page as you. What are your thoughts so far about the latest developments of the game.

Also, I obviously was personally involved with the whole cc'ing miller thing so was more certain than someone watching from the outside. I don't know how it looks like from your viewpoint so I want to see where you are coming from.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

oh god maybe BroDesp are scum.

[MastinSSK]

On the other hand, if you get lynched, and Pie, BRO, Desp, and I all have our reads validated, it is going to be SO much harder for Mastin to avoid us all tunneling him then because for one, your scumflip would basically confirm people as town, and you would be down a member.

Oh, I am going to have fun tomorrow if Rancid gets lynched.

I'll try to keep it at snark rather than rant. But whatever snark you're seeing from me now, you can bet your ass it's going to be ten times worse after you made posts like this today.

I already addressed the whole "why are good players reading me as town" thing. For one, none of me, Pie, BRO, Desp, or Ceph/DV, or Tammy? all of who are good players are reading you as town.

And of them, a grand total of one (Tammy) has any credibility on reading me...and she's not scumreading me; she's "?"-reading me.

You're flagrantly ignoring game narrative and defining wagon as "having votes," which is a pretty meaningless definition.

As mentioned, that was the snarking. More seriously, Rancid

is

the counterwagon to PeregrineV, because the wagon on PV was there first, and for much longer.

p5 was also a counter wagon to YOU, and there has been a decent consensus among the group that wagoned you that you and RBD are scum together so...

Actually, PV was a counterwagon to Carbon.
Carbon Fiber was my counterwagon, sure, yeah. But then the PV wagon replaced the Carbon wagon.

You claimed a shittier version of a standard tree stump, and your plays been scummy as.

Modified. Stronger in some ways, weaker than others. And, yes. My role is stronger in some ways than a normal tree stump. Among them being that I count as being alive rather than dead, and that I can place a vote even if the vote doesn't lynch, and that if the town trusts me, I gain the ability to vote at 9 players alive. Weaker in that I can get lynched.

As for my play, keep telling yourself that.

Saying things over and over again won't make people believe them.

(Let's ignore the irony in you saying my play is scummy for a bit.) As I recall, you started telling me this in House Party.

[MastinSSK]

A PV is a very easy mislynch opportunity.

I like how everyone calls PV an easy mislynch yet isn't bothering to try and read his alignment. (Oh, I'm sure they are. I mean showing it.)

I'm willing to sacrifice RBD and see if my reads are correct. If he's town, I'm going to look into JSU and CF. If he's truly scum, I will look at Mastin and AP.

Still thinking this could be scum, by the way.

[Just Sheep Us]

He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

If anything, it should be easier if you're faking miller because you know that you're not a miller...

[Cabd]

so deal with it

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

FYI

If Nati had paraphrased the QT, you'd see why we claimed hated miller (it was a pregame thing we discussed well before receiving our role in this game), what our thoughts on a possible counter-claim was (we were basically of the mind. "treat it like an Innocent Child claim") and then why I said fuck it, I want F16 dead regardless (2864 is a pretty good example of why I loathe F16 as a player, but my thoughts are pretty apparent in our hydra QT - I had already given up on the game a few hours before the counter-claim happened, and told Nati such)

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

stealing page tops like a fucking boss

suck
me
cabd