In post 778, Flipping Awesome wrote:Katsuki doesn't do that as scum but is much more involved with the game and actually has some semblance of "pro-town" play.
something
about his play struck nacho quite strongly as scum-katsuki. I don't really want to downgrade that without knowing more of the basis for it. I may move our vote tomorrow if I don't hear from him, but won't be calling katsuki town on my own.
So Nacho's spent the last 25 pages dancing around this read and you've been doing nothing but being the song to Nacho's dance.
I maen fuck I've given Nacho all the chances in the world to try and salvage his reputation but its like he's insistent on claiming scum and getting the slot nuked.
Fluffy fluffy~~~ |
"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"
- GreyICE
Katsuki is by far more absurdly beautiful than Fate. (hai parama)
Katsuki's Madness coming to you shortly: Nov, 2011!
Nacho hasn't posted in this game in over a week. Like I said a couple days ago, I'm forging on for now, but I'm not downgrading our read of you without knowing more about what Nacho saw that concerned him.
You're not going to convince people to lynch someone based on your absent partner's case that you don't know why he had, though.
I have been trying to think of what to say to F-16 besides 'okay'. You took the 'apparently' out of that sentence you quoted of mine. As in 'apparently after all of this you are still convinced so i don't know what to do anymore'. It's really hard for me to read that again actually because I was very upset when I wrote that post. I do give up more easily as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have spent so much time arguing in the first place.
I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
And this was like me realizing that you were a serial killer. - Hathor
"but I must declare my love to Edelgard here, i offer you the treasure I stole from Raphael, an idol LOL" - Shamir
In post 802, Shadoweh wrote:It's really hard for me to read that again actually because I was very upset when I wrote that post. I do give up more easily as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have spent so much time arguing in the first place.
What would you do as scum if not argue your position? The part about regretting your posts makes me lean town though.
~ F-16
In post 221, Flipping Awesome wrote:
[*] Nero's attempts to crumb his role felt natural and his wanting to give as many clues about it in Post 67 and Post 74 felt very genuine and at the very least definitely like he was crumbing a real role as opposed to a fake-claim. While it isn't impossible that it is his real role as scum, I figured scum would want to keep more options open for later on in the game and Nero Cain doesn't feel like a player who would want to aggressively crumb this early in the game.
I would not post. And go to sleep instead. And wait to see if another distraction popped up in the morning.
The only reason I'm this motivated to argue is because I know I'm right.
I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
And this was like me realizing that you were a serial killer. - Hathor
"but I must declare my love to Edelgard here, i offer you the treasure I stole from Raphael, an idol LOL" - Shamir
[quote="In post 620, Flipping Awesome"]
She is still scumreading Katsuki but I really thought Katsuki understanding why I was scumreading him but wanting Penguin's reasons felt very town. /quote]
Why?
In post 620, Flipping Awesome wrote:
She is still scumreading Katsuki but I really thought Katsuki understanding why I was scumreading him but wanting Penguin's reasons felt very town.
This is a good reason to null read him and sheep others based on their read, but this isn't input on his wagon. I don't usually tunnel Katsuki when he's town: don't think I've even mislynched him?
In post 442, xRECKONERx wrote:I just don't see a pro-town motivation behind his actions if he is, in fact, a non-compulsive framer.
I
do
see scum motivation in claiming a negative utility role on D1 for town points, though.
Pro-town motivation: The ability he has is useless to him as town. There's legitimately nothing minorly useful about it. It does tell him that there probably *isn't* another framer in game though, so by outing and leaving one less option for scum to squirm out of guilties, he turns a zero utility role into something with a tiny tiny bit of utility.
I mean, I have a lot of experience with milking early claims for all they're worth (see: Mafia behind the Maiden, Scummies Invitational), so it''s definitely POSSIBLE, but not what we want to do today.
Zdenek doesn't die because he made an early claim.
Not that this game is going to come anywhere near LyLo, but gotta keep your paranoia in check >.>
In post 497, Cerulean wrote:It would basically make you waste the shot on someone who's unequivocally town. On the off chance that I'm wrong about you being town, it takes the shot out of play by making sure it goes to someone unlikely to be investigated.
P-edit: ...this has to be the first time in a long while I mistook the posters of a hydra =/
It's artery egregious misread too, considering one posts singular posts and the other posts 20 times in a row!
In post 607, Cerulean wrote:Also, nacho, when you get back here. I'd really love your thougths on shadoweh. Please and thank you.
She's one of my strongest townreads and everyone that's voting her probably has some sort of brain damage that needs to be checked out? (Minus chamber, I at least understand where he's coming from although I'm far more interested in his contributions elsewhere).
I think Nacho will have a little time for this game tomorrow. I was expecting to have more time as well, but we'll see how it goes I guess.
I have never played with scum-Venmar, and it's been a while since I did a meta scan. So, I have a town-Venmar model that's probably a little sketchy and no scum-Venmar model at all. Nacho and I recently helped get him mislynched in a PoE situation where we both really thought he'd looked pretty town earlier in the game. To me, in this game so far, Venmar is coming off pretty similar to Xenosaga in tone, level of involvement, etc.
But, to a large extent I depended on Nacho's meta read in that game, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Nacho sees an issue or two that I don't.
However, it will surprise me quite a bit if Nacho changes his mind about Katsuki given what he's posted this week.
Does Empire have an opinion on Venmar?
TOWN NACHO WOULD TOTALLY BE TOWNREADING ME
NOT TEEHEEING A KATS LYNCH
LOOK AT YOUR OWN PLAY
IN NATIS MINI 1543
I FUCKING CALLED YOUR SHIT OUT WHEN YOU COULDNT RESIST MY BAIT
The teeheeing began originally because I didn't buy your vote on me coming from town-Kats. Yeah, I was shit talking and being obnoxious, but was decently town while doing it and would expect you to recognize + appreciate that. Now, I wonder why you would troll around with me instead of immediately call me out on my shit like you've done in most games together, and I wonder why you'd hold onto this reasoning and only deposit it now. Did you not want our exchange to get serious until the town was already led off on a good number of dumb wagons?
In post 769, kanyeknowsbest wrote:hey can i just give a general reminder 2 everyone who is reading lld as SOLFID FUcking town that lld is Absolutely Excellent @ Scum ty 4 keeping this in mind.
Do you think she's scum? Or are you just kicking up paranoia to kick up paranoia?
In post 778, Flipping Awesome wrote:Katsuki doesn't do that as scum but is much more involved with the game and actually has some semblance of "pro-town" play.
something
about his play struck nacho quite strongly as scum-katsuki. I don't really want to downgrade that without knowing more of the basis for it. I may move our vote tomorrow if I don't hear from him, but won't be calling katsuki town on my own.
So Nacho's spent the last 25 pages dancing around this read and you've been doing nothing but being the song to Nacho's dance.
I maen fuck I've given Nacho all the chances in the world to try and salvage his reputation but its like he's insistent on claiming scum and getting the slot nuked.
This is actually just wrong.
I haven't posted in a very long time (haven't posted since you said my name last, in fact), which is something I'm pretty sure you're aware of. You haven't given me anything except for one (1) chance to unvote you/recognize you're town, and that warn off came in the form of a late and weak "town Nacho would see town Katsuki", which doesn't cut it for me.
In post 678, Sixty wrote:If it's sincere I would be surprised. If it's good I would be astonished. If it's neither I think Plum would make an excellent compromise lynch among our fractured factions.
I'd hate to see "fractured factions." I think we are agreed on most reads (or at least my 6 of my 7 townreads so far) so I'd prefer we all build consensus together. What are your thoughts about my read on Chamber?
You have no idea how many years, literally years, I've waited for someone to do this with me in spite of repeated attempts to affect otherwise.
I think that no matter what we decide here chamber's alignment will come out in the wash. I'm perfectly fine nodding and following on a Town read though.
Please move your vote from Plum unless you plan on campaigning for her lynch; see below for an alternative.
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Tim Howard 787 wrote:So maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you seriously saying that you're scumreading 10 people? Because this is absolutely yelling "FALLBACK WAGONS AHOY"
screw it
Unvote: Nero Cain
Vote: Tim Howard
(L-4)
Would quintuple-vote. In the absence of that, would like penguin-plane and three of their best friends to join the wagon ASAP.
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Shadoweh 790 wrote:Also I can't find aia or vista. >_> I suspect they might have been consumed by tigers.
I believe they were.
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Nero Cain 797 has lots of words and all I read is "scum scum scum scum scum scum scum the only other thing that worries me is I'm scum".
Spoiler: HAPPY TOWNREADS THAT NEED NO MORE EXPLAINING:
LLD:
LLD is a surprisingly strong townread for me at this point (which fuels slight paranoia in and of itself, but not significant paranoia). Tonally, I think LLD looks town: she isn't a particularly aggressive sorter early game, but she occasionally gives off those vibes as scum. She also has more playerlist awareness as scum, so her not knowing who was in sangres is a good sign, and I don't think that on a whole was faked. Even more importantly, I think that her outing of her ability is incredibly town after realizing what Zdenek brought up recently. If LLD kept that ability under wraps, she would be able to win as scum for setting up a LyLo where she leads to a No Lynch. She would be able to get a double kill every time she was able to drown the town in apathy, and she would be able to get a double town if she suggested moving from evens to odds. I don't think any limits the mods could place on that particular ability could make it weak enough to justify the early out for LLD-scum, and I think the limits that seem to be placed on it so far (doesn't know who each player is, picks post and not player) make sense for limits on a town role but don't nerf the power enough to be given to scum.
Cerulean:
Tammy seems pretty obviously town. Early game excitement and strong openings are something Tammy still feels uncomfortable pulling off as scum (or even attempting, really, and occasionally dumbs down her town game so that she can't be read in one post), so I'd probably light a puppy on fire if I thought she was scum. I probably won't ever mention this read again because it's sort of useless and only feeds her already uncontrollable ego, so please don't ask me about it and please don't call the slot scum.
Zdenek:
Zdenek opening seems good to me! I think early role out is slightly townish, but the main reason I have a townread on him is because of how he engages LLD's ability (to be fair, I don't know how he would approach it as scum except by not caring that much, but how it evolved seemed pretty genuine to me).
Flipping Awesome:
I don't have a read on F-16 yet. I like that he seems excited for rolling town, but I think it's obvious he would be excited for rolling town in this player list and his excitement isn't particularly fakeable. Him taking strong ownership of reading me and specifically me is nice, but I didn't think that was fakeable (although closer to fakeable). I am currently taking a pretty strong and pretty early approach to saving the game as soon as possible (and am being pretty transparent about it!), so I'm hoping that he engages this wall with a pretty great response so I can slate him in as obvious town as opposed to kinda town but not quite there yet.
FOLLOWUP:
Sixty:
I'm a bit reassured by latest posting, although pushes by Vi could probably be better pushes. I think that Tierce undercutting Vi posting for pretty much no reason is a hydra interaction unlikely to be coming from scumVi filtering scumTierce and more likely to come from an invested Vi and uninvested Tierce (although Tierce's lack of investment still hurts), I feel Tierce's interactions with Cerulean (particularly Tierce maintaining that this is something shed never do as scum after Tammy began to break) were unlikely to come from them if they were a scum slot, and townreads minus CDB are good enough to cover for bad JUSTICE scumreads.
Nero Cain:
Light townread has become a heavy townread as of late based mostly on Venmar push which reached a level of passion past scumNero pushing. I also agree with ffery that pushing us has gone beyond the easy drop of "sangres is obnoxious" because Nero knows we're not an easy target even while being pushed for really horrible reasons: recent attack on Sixty for defending on scum also seems like a sleeping bear scum-Nero wouldn't be overly eager on waking up.
Tim Howard:
CDB red here helps a bit (scum-CDB would feel weird calling lazy scum partners strong town but would have to call them town in a scum-town interaction while townCDB presumably has an accurate read), but mostly what solidifies this read is how willing Nexus is willing to do whatever the fuck he feels like and does it loudly, as opposed to quiet scumNexus in that hydra with Faraday. I haven't read quadz's posting (and don't remember it, thus don't really care about it), but Nexus is town enough for the two of them based on tone and brazenness alone: nitpicking the effectiveness of his approaches is a bad way to read the slot and the people who know they're doing it should stop doing that shit.
Untrodden Tripod:
Of his original pushes, his Cerulean push didn't necessarily excite me all that much, but was pushed in an aggressive enough way that I didn't think UT would be comfortable pushing so early in the game as scum. The big thing that sells me on UT is actually how fluid and natural his pushes feel: scumUT, from my experience, has votes that don't tend to move as often and the quick vote on Tim seemed more fitting of townUT. I also think the defense of Kats in particular is pretty genuine: it's essentially founded on him being burned before because he lynched Katsuki the antitown, which seems like a pretty "real" reason to defend him that doesn't seem like its posturing for cred on a flip and sure as hell doesn't feel like a buddy defense.
You could work together with me if you didn't bully me so much and let me have my fun when I wanted to have my fun.
But you're a mean stick in the mud, so F-16/penguin will be our sounding board and we will be theirs and no one will invite you to the club.
(penguin, please post your thoughts more! Stop filtering yourself, it's boring.)
