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[Majiffy]

Much hedge. So fencesit. Wow.

[pidgey]

Yeah unlike the scum i dont have that benefit of knowing.

[Desperado]

I mean the reason I haven't voted is because I'm waiting for you to do the shit you promised days ago. And I don't really know which of you I'd rather vote at this point anyway. Desp's ISO analysis of you was pretty crappy, but replacing in and getting run up right after isn't exactly motivating in a game this large.

the iso analysis that...doesn't even exist because i deemed it crappy before i finished it?

i did give some thoughts on what pidgey's done so far though. you wanna talk about those?

[Majiffy]

Yeah unlike the scum i dont have that benefit of knowing.

[sekai no ki]

I mean the reason I haven't voted is because I'm waiting for you to do the shit you promised days ago. And I don't really know which of you I'd rather vote at this point anyway. Desp's ISO analysis of you was pretty crappy, but replacing in and getting run up right after isn't exactly motivating in a game this large.

the iso analysis that...doesn't even exist because i deemed it crappy before i finished it?

i did give some thoughts on what pidgey's done so far though. you wanna talk about those?

@ ffery: i quoted a bunch of posts and planned commenting on each one, but it just felt like a bunch of iioa so i'll suffice it to say that pidgey's d1 respective treatment of mastin and rubicon were scummy and i found the abrupt behavioral change after majiffy initiated his push alignment indicative. as the game has progressed his approach has deteriorated and the town facade from d1 becomes clear.

Oh hey I have some thoughts that could be discussed too!

Pidgey

215 - defends both mastin and rubicon in this post. I'm projecting a little, but this is something I'd be really unlikely to do as scum (discuss two teammates in the same post, unless it's a comprehensive post)

377 - reads list. has both mastin and rubicon as scum, voting vezok. On the one hand, the ol' fos a buddy vote town thing is a thing, but once again, calling two teammates scum here would be a little ott?

1264 - another reads list. 10 scum. mastin's moved from slightly scum to town.

1852, 1859 - mastin read changed to scum, but no indication why in the iso. something later about sheeping AP. but he doesn't actually vote mastin?

1884 - "I'd move to mastin, but there are better options"?

1985 - interaction with Thor about horde-kill. suggests taking off rubicon for mastin or svenskt. save the rolecop in favor of goon? I dunno.

from there day 1 is just chaotic. He doesn't seem to have any real conviction that mastin is scum but keeps him in the lynch horde-pile. And is townreading rubicon pretty hard.

Though iirc rubicon did a decent job of rehabilitating himself as day 1 went on.

[Desperado]

In post 3359, sekai no ki wrote:
Pidgey

215 - defends both mastin and rubicon in this post. I'm projecting a little, but this is something I'd be really unlikely to do as scum (discuss two teammates in the same post, unless it's a comprehensive post)

377 - reads list. has both mastin and rubicon as scum, voting vezok. On the one hand, the ol' fos a buddy vote town thing is a thing, but once again, calling two teammates scum here would be a little ott?

1264 - another reads list. 10 scum. mastin's moved from slightly scum to town.

1852, 1859 - mastin read changed to scum, but no indication why in the iso. something later about sheeping AP. but he doesn't actually vote mastin?

1884 - "I'd move to mastin, but there are better options"?

1985 - interaction with Thor about horde-kill. suggests taking off rubicon for mastin or svenskt. save the rolecop in favor of goon? I dunno.

from there day 1 is just chaotic. He doesn't seem to have any real conviction that mastin is scum but keeps him in the lynch horde-pile. And is townreading rubicon pretty hard.

Though iirc rubicon did a decent job of rehabilitating himself as day 1 went on.

nothing here suggests you disagree with my assessment? you just wouldn't talk about/scum read multiple teammates and admit that you're projecting it on to him.

[sekai no ki]

I came away from the ISO feeling like it's inconclusive, mostly because you could look at other players, players who flipped town, and see similar back-and-forth about whether mastin and rubicon were town.

[Desperado]

and what of the behavioral change i noted?

[sekai no ki]

Getting tunneled tends to change people's behavior regardless of their alignment.

I think I usually hold up better under tunneling as scum than as town, oddly enough because my focus is different.

[sekai no ki]

Desp, who is the other scum in your opinion?

[sekai no ki]

Do you think there are two? three?

I kinda feel like there's two left, but it's mostly because of where the lines have been drawn as the player list has shrunk.

[Desperado]

i think it's three left. there's definitely a herder, molla is getting roleblocked, and the last game was 4 scum + traitor. with the additional town power i think he just upgraded the traitor to a goon.

[sekai no ki]

Ok, so who else is scum?

[Desperado]

sven and ???

[sekai no ki]

Why sven?

And what happened to your scumread of me?

[sekai no ki]

Who did scum kill on night 1 of Walking Dead?

Who did scum kill on night 2 of Song?

Who did scum kill on night 2 of Xenogears?

Who is alive on day fucking 6 of this game?

[Desperado]

nothing? you could be the ???

sven was the scummiest from the pv/molla thing to when i replaced in.

pedit: jiffy was a strong pr in two of those and in a hydra with mollie in the other one.

[sekai no ki]

Pretty sure you'd be lynched if I were scum.

[Desperado]

might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

[sekai no ki]

nothing? you could be the ???

sven was the scummiest from the pv/molla thing to when i replaced in.

pedit: jiffy was a strong pr in two of those and in a hydra with mollie in the other one.

Maybe. I thought he was targeted because he was Majiffy, not because he was a PR. But, I could be wrong.

The closer we get to LYLO and we're almost there if you're right about 3 scum, the more nervous I get about him. He's mostly been a non-factor as far as getting people lynched.

Did you see svenskt's reaction to being run up and left in the lynch lead for a significant portion of day 1?

[sekai no ki]

might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

your original reads list had me as 2nd most scummy iirc.

Even if we were scum together I'd probably hammer you rather than engage you. If you're town, then scum-me likely would have hammered by now, or would have been on your wagon already.

It's all idle crap though. And how anyone who has played much with me could see my interactions with mastin on day 1 as scum v scum boggles my mind.

[Desperado]

might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

your original reads list had me as 2nd most scummy iirc.

Even if we were scum together I'd probably hammer you rather than engage you. If you're town, then scum-me likely would have hammered by now, or would have been on your wagon already.

It's all idle crap though. And how anyone who has played much with me could see my interactions with mastin on day 1 as scum v scum boggles my mind.

i said from the jump that those reads were based solely on the 20 pages between pv v molla and me replacing in.

in fact i just repeated it

i agree that if you were scum i would probably be dead by now. but i've also seen scum slow roll in lylo so, yeah.

[sekai no ki]

might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

your original reads list had me as 2nd most scummy iirc.

Even if we were scum together I'd probably hammer you rather than engage you. If you're town, then scum-me likely would have hammered by now, or would have been on your wagon already.

It's all idle crap though. And how anyone who has played much with me could see my interactions with mastin on day 1 as scum v scum boggles my mind.

i said from the jump that those reads were based solely on the 20 pages between pv v molla and me replacing in.

in fact i just repeated it

Except the pidgey read.

i agree that if you were scum i would probably be dead by now. but i've also seen scum slow roll in lylo so, yeah.

I have slow-rolled as scum in lylo before, but not when town is at L-1.

Is this lylo?

[Desperado]

Except the pidgey read.

yes, except the pidgey read. because we were specifically talking about my scumreads on you and sven.

4 scum left would be outrageous so no, it isn't lylo.

[sekai no ki]

so what does slow-roll at lylo have to do with anything?