Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 2-2

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.

Angry Pidgeon (2): Titan, The Fox and the Hound
MastinSSK (2): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV
orcinus_theoriginal (1): MastinSSK

Not Voting (9): Kagura, Yggdra Union, orcinus_theoriginal, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Red Gyarados, Cupcake Panda, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin,


With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)

[The Fox and the Hound]

I think I've entered some kind of twilight zone where the only difference is that Mastin actually makes sense.

Well, except for that random Orc vote, which while a passable position, what just happened?

[AngryPidgeon]

And yes I got a result on Kagura.

Oh? Did you now.

YES. IMO Kagura is probably not-replica because I was allowed to view them in the first place. And I was just generally surprised to have been told that I targeted them BUT MY ROLE FAILED when I was expecting to be told " x is replica" "x is not replica" or "your role fails". Seeing "You target X and your role fails" was not something I expected to see.

Kagura, Rancid, DesBRO, and Mac are the players that are townreads I'm willing to risk the game off of. Don't care what anyone else says on them. They're all town.

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

This doesn't sound like someone with a result on Kagura. Either you have a town result and know I'm right and thus don't bother, or you have a scum result, know I'm wrong, and either ask me calmly about my Kagura read (if you doubt me), or keep silent (if you think me town-that's-wrong).

Also, do explain the logic behind why you investigated who you did, and more importantly, why you didn't investigate who you didn't.

YES YOU ARE RIGHT I AM NOT CLAIMING TO HAVE A HARD "REPLICA / NOT REPLICA" ON THEM. What I DO have is information that I DID NOT EXPECT in the form of knowing who I was allowed to view but still not geting a resulty on them. I think them being selected means they could be town, but I still have a working theory that could point to something else..more on that in a bit hopefully when I actually respond to all these posts.

Kagura needs to come in here and talk to me.

This doesn't sound like someone with a result on the player, either.

See above and I still want to talk to them about this:

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

Hmph. Ok. This result (and only this result) is consistent with my worldview.

Why did you start out with a fake report on CF?

-b

[MastinSSK]

Basically,
I keep thinking AP's scum but wavering.
I keep thinking PV's scum, but doubting.
I keep thinking Clyton's scum, but unsure.

All three are rotatingly my strongest scumread.
Then the weakest.
Then middle.
Then strongest.
And so on.

Orc's the only one who never leaves the scum pile, though.

[Kagura]

See above and I still want to talk to them about this:

What exactly did you need to clear up?

-b

[Breakfast With Sandy]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

I think his obvious impression that he'd set up a chance to talk with both of us during the 1v1 also looked town. I don't think scum-orcinus would seek out an opportunity to spend 3 days in a game thread with me with no distractions given that I'd been unsure enough about him to vote him during the deadline lynch mad dash.

Those are the reasons he wound up in my top tier town pile during all that. Beli came to similar conclusions for his own reasons.

[AngryPidgeon]

I keep thinking AP's scum but wavering.

How am I scum but wavering? Does cabd keep alternating between sending me scum and town PMs as we play

[AngryPidgeon]

See above and I still want to talk to them about this:

What exactly did you need to clear up?

-b

Errr ok I may be outguessing the mod a little bit with verbage spec here, but what you said is making me wonder as is.

What do you think about PV/Orci if you assume Im town here, given that you were chosen for investigation?
Why were you so sure that I would be roleblocked?
Do you think that scum would find you town enough not to care that I was submitting on you?

[The Fox and the Hound]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

As opposed to throwing you in the ring with no explanation? That would be a one-way ticket to the graveyard.

I think his obvious impression that he'd set up a chance to talk with both of us during the 1v1 also looked town. I don't think scum-orcinus would seek out an opportunity to spend 3 days in a game thread with me with no distractions given that I'd been unsure enough about him to vote him during the deadline lynch mad dash.

This I can maybe accept, but I would not put it past him at all to have bullshitted that impression while actually knowing what he does. After Vesperia there is very little I think is beyond his capability to fake particularly in the world of role related bullshit.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

As opposed to throwing you in the ring with no explanation? That would be a one-way ticket to the graveyard.

As opposed to stating the intention and leaving it to me to object or not.

I think his obvious impression that he'd set up a chance to talk with both of us during the 1v1 also looked town. I don't think scum-orcinus would seek out an opportunity to spend 3 days in a game thread with me with no distractions given that I'd been unsure enough about him to vote him during the deadline lynch mad dash.

This I can maybe accept, but I would not put it past him at all to have bullshitted that impression while actually knowing what he does. After Vesperia there is very little I think is beyond his capability to fake particularly in the world of role related bullshit.

And yet even there he made missteps at the start. And he knows I'm on high alert after that game.

[AngryPidgeon]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

As opposed to throwing you in the ring with no explanation? That would be a one-way ticket to the graveyard.

Ya this. Why does that make Orci town at all? He basically set LB up to be lynched and then drops some comment today about "LB is retarded, we should have NLd" after his explicit plan was to put someone up against you because there was no way you were going down.

[PeregrineV]

Player Roster:
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
4 orcinus_theoriginal
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
11 Lord Business
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
14 Cupcake Panda
15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton
17 Mac


The Not so Living:

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Lord Business

@Yulia-

can this be updated? TIA

[Breakfast With Sandy]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

As opposed to throwing you in the ring with no explanation? That would be a one-way ticket to the graveyard.

Ya this. Why does that make Orci town at all? He basically set LB up to be lynched and then drops some comment today about "LB is retarded, we should have NLd" after his explicit plan was to put someone up against you because there was no way you were going down.

No, he explicitly set up lurker lynch vs nolynch. And actually putting me in that position assured that nolynch was at least a viable option because it's not my style to 1v1 in the first place. I was pretty much guaranteed not to start a crossvote in that situation.

[Kagura]

Errr ok I may be outguessing the mod a little bit with verbage spec here, but what you said is making me wonder as is.

What do you think about PV/Orci if you assume Im town here, given that you were chosen for investigation?
Why were you so sure that I would be roleblocked?
Do you think that scum would find you town enough not to care that I was submitting on you?

1) Doesn't really change my reads (orc's govern might but I want to know for sure what he was doing with ffery there [was it he wanted everyone to pile on LB or was it something else]. PV has CF making a pretty decent case for town in the hood but dollars to donuts I'd lynch PV over orc) - We're the towniest out of the bunch and pointing it at me gives town the least information.
2) I think I gave out as much info as I'm willing to give there (also I never mentioned that I thought you were roleblocked - read it again)
3) See 1), but add to that the fact that I'm pretty notorious for not getting mislynched.

-b

[Kagura]

No, he explicitly set up lurker lynch vs nolynch

I just went back through orc's ISO and yeah, it does support this.

So nevermind anything I said about orc.

-b

[AngryPidgeon]

1) Doesn't really change my reads (orc's govern might but I want to know for sure what he was doing with ffery there [was it he wanted everyone to pile on LB or was it something else]. PV has CF making a pretty decent case for town in the hood but dollars to donuts I'd lynch PV over orc) - We're the towniest out of the bunch and pointing it at me gives town the least information.
2) I think I gave out as much info as I'm willing to give there (also I never mentioned that I thought you were roleblocked - read it again)
3) See 1), but add to that the fact that I'm pretty notorious for not getting mislynched.

1) Remind me of your Orci read then? I know you agreed on PV scum at least a while of yesterday.
2) Lol ok then.
3) I guess. I was actually wonder if Mac protected you last night and scum tried to kill you + have me look at you, but I think that is improbable/implausible if Im understanding things correctly here.

Uggghhhh. I have a pet theory where you could easily be scum here cause really coincidences would be huge? But Im sitting on my hands there for now.

[Kagura]

Remind me of your Orci read then? I know you agreed on PV scum at least a while of yesterday.

I'm leaning town, and I'm attempting to sort that out with Nacho.

someday

Uggghhhh. I have a pet theory where you could easily be scum here cause really coincidences would be huge? But Im sitting on my hands there for now.

I mean if you

really

need me to clear something up then let's clear it up. Otherwise, let's not.

-b

[MastinSSK]

Basically,
I keep thinking AP's scum but wavering.
I keep thinking PV's scum, but doubting.
I keep thinking Clyton's scum, but unsure.

All three are rotatingly my strongest scumread.
Then the weakest.
Then middle.
Then strongest.
And so on.

Orc's the only one who never leaves the scum pile, though.

I'm back here, but as I was driving, I thought of something.
I'm 90% sure AP's scum. There's a bundle-load of reasons. Among them is the inconsistencies, like this one:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

Concluding town on Kagura in spite of a lack of result,

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

But doubting my own logic for thinking it, his "has a result" while not having a result, his change from miller-innocent into this, and everything around it. But his claim isn't really why I'm seeing him as scum. I thought of things as I was driving, and I simply am not seeing a plausible scumteam that doesn't include him as a member.

While I can see the town train of thought, I don't actually believe it, you could say. However, that said, I'm not voting AP right now, mainly for one reason: the Free-Thor-Mislynch card I kinda feel obligated to give him. Basically, while I'm fairly certain he's scum, the chance that he isn't is enough for me to not support his lynch today. I'll re-evaluate that tomorrow.

So what of the others?
Orc is still not leaving my scum pile.
Nor is PV, not really. Like AP, I simply don't see a scumteam, a truly plausible scumteam, that doesn't have PV on it. Like, I'm trying to see the town picture, but I'm not.
Clyton, on the other hand, I

can

see the town picture. It's...kinda weak overall. But it is possible that it exists.

And for that reason,
VOTE: PeregrineV.

[MastinSSK]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd.

And you think this is indicative of him being town, why exactly? Because I see that need to ask permission as not being town-oriented. Not necessarily scum-oriented (although I lean that way), but I'm not seeing the towntell.

I think his obvious impression that he'd set up a chance to talk with both of us during the 1v1 also looked town. I don't think scum-orcinus would seek out an opportunity to spend 3 days in a game thread with me with no distractions given that I'd been unsure enough about him to vote him during the deadline lynch mad dash.

This one, I can

see

, but it also runs both ways: three days with nothing but you is a great way to get you to read him as town.

[PeregrineV]

Basically,
I keep thinking AP's scum but wavering.
I keep thinking PV's scum, but doubting.
I keep thinking Clyton's scum, but unsure.

All three are rotatingly my strongest scumread.
Then the weakest.
Then middle.
Then strongest.
And so on.

Orc's the only one who never leaves the scum pile, though.

I'm back here, but as I was driving, I thought of something.
I'm 90% sure AP's scum. There's a bundle-load of reasons.

Among them is the inconsistencies, like this one:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

Concluding town on Kagura in spite of a lack of result,

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

But doubting my own logic for thinking it, his "has a result" while not having a result, his change from miller-innocent into this, and everything around it. But his claim isn't really why I'm seeing him as scum. I thought of things as I was driving, and I simply am not seeing a plausible scumteam that doesn't include him as a member.

While I can see the town train of thought, I don't actually believe it, you could say. However, that said, I'm not voting AP right now, mainly for one reason: the Free-Thor-Mislynch card I kinda feel obligated to give him. Basically, while I'm fairly certain he's scum, the chance that he isn't is enough for me to not support his lynch today. I'll re-evaluate that tomorrow.

So what of the others?
Orc is still not leaving my scum pile.
Nor is PV, not really. Like AP, I simply don't see a scumteam, a truly plausible scumteam, that doesn't have PV on it. Like, I'm trying to see the town picture, but I'm not.
Clyton, on the other hand, I

can

see the town picture. It's...kinda weak overall. But it is possible that it exists.

And for that reason,
VOTE: PeregrineV.

If you take the fact you posted the bolded, I find the inconsistency that you did not quote 3595 to use against me a sign that you are not town.

Also, the manner in which you can continue to post while not actually scumhunting is somewhat impressive, really. I don't think you've included an original thought in any of your last 10 posts.

[MastinSSK]

If you take the fact you posted the bolded, I find the inconsistency that you did not quote 3595 to use against me a sign that you are not town.

I mean, I didn't really see that post of yours, but reading it I'm still not understanding what you're saying here.

Also, the manner in which you can continue to post while not actually scumhunting is somewhat impressive, really.

Right now, getting shit together (dumping thoughts) is more important for me than scumhunting. (Again. Quirk of my role, you could say.)

I don't think you've included an original thought in any of your last 10 posts.

Well said ten posts have been made without reading the content later in the thread so I thought of them first, they just got posted later.

I mean, my scumspects haven't really changed, and my basic reasoning for them hasn't changed, so there's that. But the specifics have, and thus they need to be said.

[AngryPidgeon]

Orc's the only one who never leaves the scum pile, though. I'm back here, but as I was driving, I thought of something.
I'm 90% sure AP's scum. There's a bundle-load of reasons. Among them is the inconsistencies, like this one:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

Concluding town on Kagura in spite of a lack of result,

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

But doubting my own logic for thinking it, his "has a result" while not having a result, his change from miller-innocent into this, and everything around it. But his claim isn't really why I'm seeing him as scum. I thought of things as I was driving, and I simply am not seeing a plausible scumteam that doesn't include him as a member.

You are kidding right now. For emphasis:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them.

and

Uggghhhh. I have a pet theory where you could easily be scum

--

You really need to drop the personalities and appeals to authority in this game. Your blind insistence about RBD being town making you town is really just bad regardless of anything. You trying to call me out on not liking your SPECIFIC reasons for you calling Bork CONFTOWN and saying that Im a hypocrite because Im leaning town on them is really really bad, especially since I've been rather explicitly waffling about them so far Today and you are comparing that to me questioning your CONFTOWN WOULD THROW THE GAME read on them like its at all relevant.

P-edit: Your read on Orcinus is fairly fresh isn't it?

[MastinSSK]

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
4 orcinus_theoriginal
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

14 Cupcake Panda
15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton

Screw it, I'll call Titan conftown. And I'm eliminating Red Gyarados for the time being. (Still want more ns, though. And BS, for that matter.) And let's take Kats out for the heck of it.

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
4 orcinus_theoriginal

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton

I keep coming back to the eight names. For four scum.

F-16's probably town, and I'll remove him. Stalin's a townread.

So most town to least town,
Stalin
Yggdra Union / Fox/Hound
Fox/Hound / Yggdra Union
Clyton
orcinus
AP
PV

Approximate strength. I don't think the scumteam's Clyton-orc-AP-PV. I'm thinking only 2 (maybe 3, if I'm lucky) of them are actually scum.

Which would make one of {Stalin, Yggdra, Fox/Hound} be scum.
Am kinda wondering if it's Yggdra again, though. I can't remember why they're a townread.

[MastinSSK]

P-edit: Your read on Orcinus is fairly fresh isn't it?

Not really. I was one of the first to support the flashwagon on him, and I was aiming at nullscum. I suppose the read evolved from nullscum to proper scum recently, sure, yeah, but otherwise, no.

[Cabd]

mine, gimmie