Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 2-3

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.

Angry Pidgeon (2): Titan, The Fox and the Hound
MastinSSK (2): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV
PeregrineV (1): MastinSSK

Not Voting (9): Kagura, Yggdra Union, orcinus_theoriginal, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Red Gyarados, Cupcake Panda, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin,


With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)

[MastinSSK]

To be honest, if ns and Brian Skies don't start upping their game, I'm gonna get paranoid enough to bump 'em down from above-Carbon to below-Stalin. (Immediately below, admittedly, putting them above the nulls, but still weak town.)

[MastinSSK]

Still prefer lynching PV or Clyton

BTW, found this isoing Rancid. (I'm looking for his thoughts on Yygdra.)

And ns. notscience. NOTSCIENCE.

GET YER ASS IN HERE, I KNOW YOU'RE ONLINE.

[MastinSSK]

Gif, I get nacho misreading me--he has a horrid history at times, but, you, well, put pieguy on the line then. We're gonna chat, bro.

Rancid's last read on GIF was town, but I'm not seeing why, yet. And I'm not sure I will. :/

[MastinSSK]

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
^

Considered town

. Removed from the list. Bluntly, I've got zero read here, but unlike impostors pretending to be open, I

actually

trust others, and in this case, with me not really scumreading them, I'm trusting the townread. Their posting does look town, albeit not very helpful town.

Oh.

I never had a townread on them.

That's

why I can't remember my reasoning. Never had any.
But guh. Rancid townread them. I need to look at all the players who did townread 'em and see how much I trust that. Like, Stalin has, I know that, but I'm not sure if the reasoning was legitimate. I know DesBRO and F-16 do, but they're a bit silent on that front as to why if memory serves. There had to be others.

[MastinSSK]

Oh, oh.
I guess technically, I did. Reading that bit more. I thought them vaguely town for whatever reasoning I guess.
It's moments like this I wish I did better bookkeeping and knew

who

was townreading them; I'm not sure I can track them all down.

[PeregrineV]

Screw it, I'll call Titan conftown. And I'm eliminating Red Gyarados for the time being. (Still want more ns, though. And BS, for that matter.) And let's take Kats out for the heck of it.

You make me want to vote these people.

[PeregrineV]

Still prefer lynching PV or Clyton

BTW, found this isoing Rancid. (I'm looking for his thoughts on Yygdra.)

And ns. notscience. NOTSCIENCE.

GET YER ASS IN HERE, I KNOW YOU'RE ONLINE.

Gif, I get nacho misreading me--he has a horrid history at times, but, you, well, put pieguy on the line then. We're gonna chat, bro.

Rancid's last read on GIF was town, but I'm not seeing why, yet. And I'm not sure I will. :/

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
^

Considered town

. Removed from the list. Bluntly, I've got zero read here, but unlike impostors pretending to be open, I

actually

trust others, and in this case, with me not really scumreading them, I'm trusting the townread. Their posting does look town, albeit not very helpful town.

Oh.

I never had a townread on them.

That's

why I can't remember my reasoning. Never had any.
But guh. Rancid townread them. I need to look at all the players who did townread 'em and see how much I trust that. Like, Stalin has, I know that, but I'm not sure if the reasoning was legitimate. I know DesBRO and F-16 do, but they're a bit silent on that front as to why if memory serves. There had to be others.

Oh, oh.
I guess technically, I did. Reading that bit more. I thought them vaguely town for whatever reasoning I guess.
It's moments like this I wish I did better bookkeeping and knew

who

was townreading them; I'm not sure I can track them all down.

So, you are looking up the townreads of the unflipped player instead of anything the two dead town players said?

[AngryPidgeon]

I need to look at all the players who did townread 'em and see how much I trust that.

Somebody (brian?) said that GIF replacing into a hydra made them practically conftown. I cant remember much other reasoning for anyone's read on them; that one was pretty bad though.

[MastinSSK]

I don't care much for the first question right now, but I'm not arguing that CF are scum at all right now. I'm arguing that RBD are town and there is town motivation in pressing CF to see if the claim is true. Why would he back off early as town?

(Oh. Right. I also forgot, Mac townread me too. And he's flipped town for surez, soyeah.)

Vote: Peregrine

I haven't really read much of the last pages and may not get time before the deadline.

There's also this.

Granted, yeah. Mac obvtown. But that doesn't mean that if he was intentionally killed by scum, that was their reasoning. (In fact, that would be reasoning for them to avoid killing him intentionally.)

If I had to pick scum out of the AP/Mastin shitstorm that's been brewing, it would more than likely be AP. He came into this game and was pounced upon by mastin, and was immediately pretty much "yeah, you're town mastin, but wrong." Now since the tides have slowly been turning against mastin, he's shifted his opinion to suit with it and something about his trajectory (/ffery) feels very off.

Like early doors, mastin was yelling about AP being scum. And I don't think all that much has changed between mastin then and mastin now.

Shows it a bit more clearly.

Supertown:
RBD
Titan
Breakfast With Stalin
Kagura

Town:
Clyton
RG
orcinus? would like your opinion on this

Fucked if I know:
Mastin
AP
Just Sheep Us

Lol, who?
LordBusiness
Cupcake

Scumreads:
CarbonFiber
Fox and the Hound

P5
Yukari

--

I mean, Yukari is the only flatout scumread I have thanks to GiF's complete, flatout disengagement with the thread. CF is pretty much gut since I can't really tell either way whether his posting is sincere or not, and the Fox and the Hound is based on RBD's read.

I guess if you go that way, I should be townreading mastin and to an extent, I am, but there's just SO MUCH FUCKING NOISE that I don't know what to think anymore. I threw P5 in with the scumpile but to be honest, I could've stuck in the "lol, who?" pile too because he comes and he goes at his convenience. LordBusiness is a strange one - after campaigning most of the day for more game reads and less meta, there's alot of gameplay cropping up and he's practically no where to be seen.

I'd like AP and Mastin to just shut up, articulate their cases against each other in nice bullet points and then go their seperate ways because I can't be the only one whose heart drops when 10 pages of new content is literally them having CAPS LOCK PARTIES and shouting "HE'S SCUM, NO, SHE'S SCUM!"

I realize this is a bit old on Mac's list, but it is a bit of a point, since Mac's a fairly competent scumhunter. If you follow the thoughts he posted later in his iso, orcinus gets bumped down, DesBRO WAY up, and Carbon slightly up, with Fox/Hound going to null I think. (More or less.)

[MastinSSK]

So, you are looking up the townreads of the unflipped player instead of anything the two dead town players said?

No, I'm prioritizing the DEAD TOWN RANCID (fuck his flip being janitored, I don't need it to tell he was town) read over the read of other dead town. Because I trust both of them a lot, even (no, ESPECIALLY) from the grave.

Priorities.

[MastinSSK]

Somebody (brian?) said that GIF replacing into a hydra made them practically conftown.

Oh, right.

I think that was it.

And, uh. I kinda want to trust that.

'Specially given that I remember my thought about GIF at the time being nulltown 'cause I kinda see his play as being from town.

[AngryPidgeon]

'Specially given that I remember my thought about GIF at the time being nulltown 'cause I kinda see his play as being from town.

I never had a townread on them.

[MastinSSK]

I'm eliminating Red Gyarados for the time being. (Still want more ns, though. And BS, for that matter.)

Yggdra removed for being probtown.

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
4 orcinus_theoriginal

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton

I keep coming back to the

seven

names. For four scum.

F-16's probably town, and I'll remove him. Stalin's a townread.

So most town to least town,
Stalin
Fox/Hound
Clyton
orcinus
AP
PV

Approximate strength. I don't think the scumteam's Clyton-orc-AP-PV. I'm thinking only 2 (maybe 3, if I'm lucky) of them are actually scum.

Which would make one of {Stalin, Fox/Hound} be scum.

Would be the update.

...Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I'm running out of ways to call Stalin town.

[MastinSSK]

'Specially given that I remember my thought about GIF at the time being nulltown 'cause I kinda see his play as being from town.

I never had a townread on them.

I have a bad memory. I thought I didn't, then remembered that I did.

[AngryPidgeon]

And, uh. I kinda want to trust that.

Really? Half the reason I refuse to acknowledge this 'tell' is because YOU got into trouble in MD for replacing into a scumslot from someone who wanted help.

p-edit:

[MastinSSK]

Sonofabitch, this is hard.

Stalin.
Fox/Hound.
Clyton.
Orcinus.
AP.
PV.

I think the four scum are in there.
But I really can't tell who it is, other than thinking orc-Stalin is an unlikely pairing.

One of the two is likely scum. (Leaning orc.)
But that'd eliminate the other, leaving only one town between Fox/Hound, Clytyon, AP, and PV. And I really can't tell.

Maybe it's orc-Fox/Hound-AP-PV. Maybe orc-AP-PV-Clyton. I feel like those two are the best bets. But dammit. This sucks.

(Fortunately, I can't be nightkilled, so there's that; I can continue to figure it out as the game progresses.)

[MastinSSK]

(Fortunately, I can't be nightkilled, so there's that; I can continue to figure it out as the game progresses.)

(Oh, hey. Just realized. That means my iso will likely end up being THE longest in the game. All the other big posters, be it via lynch or nightkill, are prone to being deadz by the end of the game. With a dash of trust combined with my role, bam, bingo, I'm going to outlive all ya bastards and be postin' 'til the end.)

[MastinSSK]

(...Which I shouldn't be bragging about. BAD Mastin, BAD. Long isos are not an achievement! )

[MastinSSK]

...I'm an idiot.

Orc-Stalin is a possible scumteam.

Risking a scumbuddy is his style.

[AngryPidgeon]

...I'm an idiot.

Orc-Stalin is a possible scumteam.

Risking a scumbuddy is his style.

There was no risk though? I mean seriously, what were the odds of Stalin going down over LB. Like 1% maybe?

[MastinSSK]

...I'm an idiot.

Orc-Stalin is a possible scumteam.

Risking a scumbuddy is his style.

...I'm a moron.

True, it is his style to do that.

His treatment of Stalin and Stalin's treatment of him is why the team is unlikely. It's not how he used his role. It's how he interacted with them prior to using his role that way, and how they interacted with him.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I'm eliminating Red Gyarados for the time being. (Still want more ns, though. And BS, for that matter.)

Yggdra removed for being probtown.

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
4 orcinus_theoriginal

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton

I keep coming back to the

seven

names. For four scum.

F-16's probably town, and I'll remove him. Stalin's a townread.

So most town to least town,
Stalin
Fox/Hound
Clyton
orcinus
AP
PV

Approximate strength. I don't think the scumteam's Clyton-orc-AP-PV. I'm thinking only 2 (maybe 3, if I'm lucky) of them are actually scum.

Which would make one of {Stalin, Fox/Hound} be scum.

Would be the update.

...Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I'm running out of ways to call Stalin town.

If you're town, then that's a solid clue that you've got at least one serious misread.

Re the GiF hydra, GiF was the original player, and it's the fact that pie, who probably hates being scum even more than I do, replaced in that had some people flipping their reads on the slot.

I was calling GiF town from the time he posted his first reads list.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wait so all I have to do to be hilariously town is get someone who dislikes scum to replace in with me?

BRB shooting Mina a PM.

[MastinSSK]

I called AP from early on, people just weren't that interested in listening.

I might have an idea of who LB is (don't really care on the specifics; I picked up the vibe that LB's a player who holds some respect for me of which I have narrowed down to a couple of most-likelies that I have a hunch or two on that I'm choosing not to follow through on), and if I'm even remotely on-base, this holds at least some level of validity, since LB would be someone having interacted with AP a fair amount.

So much for a no lynch huh orcinus?

Also valid point.

I have little else to add except maybe weak town on fox and hound. Pieguyn and giffy I still haven't gotten around to yet, sorry about that.

Slightly important.

It seems a lock then between our reads that RBD, tItan and carbonfiber are worth considering a town block. Fox you may be a Leto sell me but I wot be putting kagura near that from my viewpoint.

In terms of strong scum options, cupcake panda, AP, and PV seem to be a concensus, with you having a strong view of mastin. As a pool of 4 it's at least something for the rest to work with.

Also nice reads, though I don't get the Kagura/Katsuki reads. AP and PV, though, totally get.

4 orcinus_theoriginal - town
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) - town
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) - town
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - weak town
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) - weak town
16 Clyton - weak scum

Other reads not discussed a lot. Orc mighta moved down; it's ambiguous. Butyeah. Definitely good things, here.