Tales of You (Endgame)

[The Fox and the Hound]

I'm starting to find it difficult to believe scum would bother doing the amount of wheel-spinning that Mastin seems to be doing right now. And if they did they would realize they just kept saying the same things and stop.

Don't take this as encouragement though, I'd still prefer that it stop v.v

[MastinSSK]

Skimming PV, he still looks like scum, though admittedly not quite as strongly as I remember.
I really think that PV, AP, and orc are all scum. The fourth is less certain. Guess I'd lean towards Fox/Hound?

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin, you do realize that you are flooding the thread with nothing of relevance. Your last posts are a revolving door of waffles on reads and assertions that your town core could have scum in it but doesnt.

Holy crap.

[MastinSSK]

I'm starting to find it difficult to believe scum would bother doing the amount of wheel-spinning that Mastin seems to be doing right now. And if they did they would realize they just kept saying the same things and stop.

Don't take this as encouragement though, I'd still prefer that it stop v.v

Mastin, you do realize that you are flooding the thread with nothing of relevance. Your last posts are a revolving door of waffles on reads and assertions that your town core could have scum in it but doesnt.
Holy crap.

...
(This can't be coincidence.)

[Just Sheep Us]

Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

You still think Mastin?

[Just Sheep Us]

Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

*us

pedit: no shit we still think mastin

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura


This is a dodge. I'll be here either tomorrow or Friday with a full reread or two.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm not even voting borkhead

I'm voting Nacho

[Red Gyarados]

actually

VOTE: mastin

Because I owe Bro a sheep

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

*us

pedit: no shit we still think mastin

I've looked askance at the mastin arguments because they've mostly linked mastin to RBD who I was and am townreading. I don't buy the linkages whether pushed as scum-scum or town-town.

I'll go through your ISO and see if I can find arguments that aren't dependent on RBD-scum. Most of what I remember outside that from you yesterday had to do with what a shitty role claim she had.

[CupcakePanda]

boring game

Vote: stalin

Also fine with PV

and nuking all hydra and AP/despbro/mastin trio.
Would you call me town as scum mastin I wonder...

[Just Sheep Us]

actually

VOTE: mastin

Because I owe Bro a sheep

You actually owe me two

[Just Sheep Us]

VOTE: AngryPidgeon.
Butyeah. This is AP as scum. He's not going to pull a stunt like this as town.

...

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ffery can I cash in the trust card from Song Contest to get you are to see Mastin is town.

Both muffin and I are 100% certain on this read, and we correctly read her as scum in both the Open and Attack on Titan. The downright fact is, if we are wrong on this, we are collectively awful.

Muffin and in are already at our wits end with this player list so please please please trust us.

Also f-16 is scum.

F-16
AP
DespBro

At minimum two scum in that list.

:/

I disagreed with at least half of what Nati said in this post. But I got off the mastin wagon.

Desp, I don't think we ever talked about this post, and Nati burning the Song trust card for this game.

Maybe we did?

[Just Sheep Us]

The mean half of the hydra is on right now.

Desp'll get to it when he gets to it. He and I haven't connected since like Sunday.

[Just Sheep Us]

I don't think in my history of ~150 games.
That I've ever broken the two-page barrier.
I could be wrong. I could have done it before.
But I really, really don't think I have.

BRO and I it like 4 pages in Anything Goes >.>

Although a lot of that was

WAFFLES, MASTIN, AND ELYSE ARE ALL SCUM.

AFTER THAT IS PROBABLY SVEN.

That was fucking hilarious.

We had like 700 posts that game.

[Just Sheep Us]

Also that ... post is my last serious post of the night. I have to translate some Golden Ass for class tomorrow (totes bombed my Satyricon quiz today, because sight-translating stuff where you don't know 1/2 the words is unsurprisingly difficult).

But yeah, that was a serious post.

[CarbonFiber]

I am undecided on what to make of AP's whole gambit and I feel it is pretty useless.

Ffery, what exactly was the Song Contest trust card? I glossed over some parts of the game but I don't think I ever got it.

[MastinSSK]

I'm starting to find it difficult to believe scum would bother doing the amount of wheel-spinning that Mastin seems to be doing right now. And if they did they would realize they just kept saying the same things and stop.

Don't take this as encouragement though, I'd still prefer that it stop v.v

Mastin, you do realize that you are flooding the thread with nothing of relevance. Your last posts are a revolving door of waffles on reads and assertions that your town core could have scum in it but doesnt.
Holy crap.

...
(This can't be coincidence.)

Just realized PV also made a similar point about me.

By the way, worth mentioning. As I was driving home, I had another thought. I fucked up my chances at getting nightkilled by claiming. But...well. That doesn't mean I can't make the scumteam miserable enough to wish I was nightkillable. I want to have that. That paragon of mafia hunters level of play. Or rather...more specifically, to channel the Fate/somebodyelseIdontremember hydra in RPG Mafia II that was a treestump and had the entire scumteam nailed. (Not Fate's style, of course. I mean Fate's success.)

I don't have nearly as much time as I need to have in order to pull a full analysis. Gods, I wish I did. I wish that I could put that much time and effort in. But I already put far too damn much into it already. So I can't. I can only put in as much time as I can put in, and make the most of that time, and do the best that I can with that time.

...All of this basically means that while I think the points by PV, Fox/Hound, and AP are likely to have been made by primarily scum, that they're not entirely unjustified. I'm trying to do analysis. But I'm not getting very far with it. I'm trying to figure it all out, here, on what is essentially a day one since our natural D1 was never given to us.

And part of this? Part of this is that, well. I know I wasn't great in Xeno. (Venmar called. He wants neck back.) But while I was wrong there, I feel like, in this case, potentially making that same mistake again. That game? That game, I said a fair amount of this. "Yeah, I know, I suck. I screwed up. I have no confidence. But I truly believe this." With 'this' being something that was also wrong. But honestly. As I was driving home, I realized that, well. I was kinda letting myself get trapped in the past, of that game. Not on reading others.
...Of my own skills. I'm afraid.
Truly afraid.

To ever risk taking up the mantle of town leader.
I really, really am afraid each and every time.
Because every single time in recent history, I've fucked up.
I've done wrong when in charge.
And who's to say that this game would be any better?
What would make me magically suddenly be good when I haven't been?
Thus the fear. Because there's a history of me being wrong, and a history of me being confident that in spite of having been wrong, that "this time, I'm right", only to be wrong again.

Yet I don't want that.
I want to move on from the past.
And actually succeed.

And honestly, that's why I've felt the pressure to have the answer, yet frustratingly have been doubting that. Because while I always feel like I'm close, that fear of me being wrong is overwhelmingly strong. I am not good at making calculations as town. I pretend I am. I am not good at leading towns, though I pretend to all the time. I am not good at logic, contrary to what Natirasha insists. I'm, well. Just a girl who is okay at everything, but never exceeds in anything. With my best skill being bridging rifts in the town.

But know what I'm beginning to feel like?
That might be the real me. But I want more than that. I'm greedy. Ambitious. And bluntly, my feeling towards yet again not being control is to say, "fuck that".

So know what?

I feel like taking control of the town.
Oh, I'll probably change my mind at some point down the line.
But unlike in Xeno where this was merely a threat.
This is me making a promise.

I will not blame any mislynch. None. I will place absolutely zero percent of the blame on any player I cause the death of. And take 100% of the accountability for it. For their death, be it via lynch or nightkill. If I lead to a town loss, I will own up about it. I won't give a list of excuses. I won't say that this wasn't all on me. I will take all of it in, as having been purely my fault for having led the town astray. And I'll live with any consequences of the decision. People declaring they don't want to play with me again. People asking me not to play at all. People lecturing me. They'll have every right to be right, and I won't fight them in their lectures.

This I promise you.

Right or wrong.

I'm sick of feeling like a piece of fucking trash. And right or wrong, I'm going to be directing players this game. Oh, I realize there are plenty of town players here who can be leaders. A fair amount scumreading me. Don't give a damn. I've resolved to this. And if it divides the town, then I will take full blame for that, too. But I'm done with that self-doubt. I'm planting my foot firmly down in the ground and shouting out to the world.

I won't claim to have all the answers.
I won't claim to have a perfect picture of the scumteam.

But I will hunt down the scum.
One by one.

So I don't give a damn about scumreads on me.
SHEEP ME.

VOTE: PeregrineV.

[Yggdra Union]

vote: mastin

here's how this is going to go. if you are not voting mastin, your next post must contain a vote for mastin, or else a counter to this:

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

for anyone who has any doubts, note how mastin literally has no defense for it. so he tries to write it off my misrepping the situation:

Oh, you meant BRO's wall.

Bluntly, I didn't read it all. I skimmed.

I saw him having a meltdown for having been suddenly scumread.

That's the part of the meltdown that would remain even if he changed his mindset, though he's not getting lynched anymore meaning even then he's going to be less stressed.
I also saw the remaining being ranting about how Rancid and I are obvscum and manipulating everyone and that he's right and getting lynched again in spite of that, again.

If I missed something that doesn't fit into one of those two categories, let me know. Because the first is no longer relevant, and the second I addressed by simply pointing out him changing his erroneous read would fix. 'Cause he's wrong. I know that sounds bad to say to someone having an emotional breakdown, that bluntly, they're wrong. But he is, soyeah. It needed to be said.

the bolded is a

literal and direct misrep of what happened

. in no way was BRO's meltdown in response to being "suddenly scumread" - that was just one factor among many.

"fixing an erroneous read" doesn't change the fact that mastin and zmuffin have pulled every fucking emotionally manipulative trick in the book and flooded the thread with their bullshit mist

the italicized directly proves my point - he literally does not give a flying fuck about how much he's pissed off another player. QED.


also, mastin, if you respond to this post I'll take it as a scum claim. if you're town you will gain literally nothing from responding to this, and if you're scum I don't wanna give you easy material to keep BS'ing about (bc it's obviously what your strategy has been so far). your responses to me have all been deflective, manipulative, or otherwise not remotely town and I've had enough of your shit. plz and thx

-Y

[MastinSSK]

Ffery can I cash in the trust card from Song Contest to get you are to see Mastin is town. Both muffin and I are 100% certain on this read, and we correctly read her as scum in both the Open and Attack on Titan. The downright fact is, if we are wrong on this, we are collectively awful. Muffin and in are already at our wits end with this player list so please please please trust us.

I disagreed with at least half of what Nati said in this post.

Then if you're town, trust him.

One of the things that I realize is ticking me off is that both Rancid and Mac were supporters of me. (And by the way. My modus operandi as scum is to NOT kill the players supporting me. It's to fucking kill the players trying to lynch me, NKA be damned. And you can go straight to hell if you bring up "but you're not the only player on a scumteam", since when I am scum, I am the fucking president of nightkills. I'll let my scumbuddies elect a candidate, but I have to give it my seal of approval and have veto power.) But part of the reason that I'm going to try and take the plunge into the role of town leader? Is because bluntly, Rancid shoulda been there D1. He died, and I strongly believe there was a DAMN-good reason for it.

I realize they don't have perfect accuracy as scumhunters. But they don't suck. No, they are EXCELLENT players, and their death was important. So if for nobody else if not them, then I'm pushing for a PV lynch. Oh, sure. We can and should make productive use of our time for today to discuss other things. But no other lynch (other than potentially AP) should be happening today. And while I might not be a paragon of mafia hunters, I don't suck either. I'm mediocre, not godfuckingawful. So this should be happening.

Again, I'm not saying we should be speedlynching. But this wagon can, should, and will be happening today.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I am undecided on what to make of AP's whole gambit and I feel it is pretty useless.

Ffery, what exactly was the Song Contest trust card? I glossed over some parts of the game but I don't think I ever got it.

Large theme game we both played. I replaced in late day 1 and townread him 3 pages into my first readthrough. He was town roleblocker and stopped the night 1 kill. And I didn't believe he'd targeted the killer night 1 in a 19 player game. Figured it was my bulletproof or a doc protect.

Anyway, partway through the game I said this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5714002

And reiterated it after the game ended.

[MastinSSK]

also, mastin, if you respond to this post I'll take it as a scum claim.

Every

action I do is a scumclaim to you.

But I am not letting that happen.

Rancid's already rolling in his fucking grave that I'm the lead fucking wagon when that is the ONE FUCKING THING he said for the town NOT to do after he flipped town. (Well, he didn't flip town, but he DID flip and anyone with half a fucking brain knows he was town.)

No.

I realize that part of being a leader is not declaring "my way or the highway". I'm not going to be an absolute dictator, insisting an absolute lynch above all others on PeregrineV.

But I am in command this game, not you. I will never.

Never

. Let myself be mislynched.

I'll do what I can to not be antagonistic to those who disagree with me. But I'm not going to shy away. I'm going to be forceful. Risk of mislynching be damned. I'm going to be aggressive. I'm going to do what I can to keep my emotions under control. I'll do my best to be reasonable about the whole affair and open to others. I will attempt not to get overly invested in things. But I will NOT be a pushover. I will NOT back down easily. (Certainly not rolling over to die.) I will NOT let myself feel unreasonable doubt. I will NOT let myself get trapped in a neverending cycle of lack-of-commitment.

Because I am not letting myself lose another fucking game thanks to a lack of strong presence. I am here. Not posting-here. Here, here.

And these words are more than just words. They are one final reach-out.
I am not scum manipulating. I am not scum panicking. I am not scum inflicting despair and apathy. (Quite the opposite.) I am not concerned about your read. I don't give a flying fuck that you're scumreading me. You are wrong. I addressed every single point about the "personal attacks" already which if you bothered to fucking read my posts you'd have seen already. So if you have so much as an iota of respect for my talent as town. Then now's the time to show it.

[MastinSSK]

Okay, I lied.

Every

action I do is a scumclaim to you.

This is also a reach-out to pie, and F-16, because both have claimed to be my students, and I'm challenging them with this:

Name the town things I've done.

This isn't scum-asking-you-to-do-their-work-for-them. You two have BOTH seen me lecture extensively on this theory before. There is no perfect scumbag. A scum player will always have town and scum things about them, and a town player always have scum and town things about them. The more competent the scumbag, the more town things there will be. In fact, the don corelone level scum players typically only have one or two potential (not even definitive) indicators of why they are scum. (And while I'm not at don corelone levels, you both know I'm close.)

So this should be easy to you. You should have no trouble listing all the myriad of town things my scumbag ass has done this game, because a scuMastin is good at looking town without being town.