NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Plessiez]

Snork hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[Plessiez]

DeasVail hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[ThAdmiral]

Still here no replacement needed! Just had a bit of a pile-up of work and social stuff recently.

I know I promised some iso's and more analysis. They are coming.

[DeasVail]

Here, but not

here

until tomorrow. Sorry.

[Snork]

Whoa.. I got prodded. My bad. I'm off to work at this moment but I'll be around tonight.

Don't understand why PV is pushing the idea of 5 scum and no sk.

[SiX]

Because PV is smarter than everyone pushing for the existence of a SK (Pointing at me).

Or he's a SK himself trying to deny the existence of one. Not saying that is, just one of the possibilities ^^

[PeregrineV]

Because PV is smarter than everyone pushing for the existence of a SK (Pointing at me).

Or he's a SK himself trying to deny the existence of one. Not saying that is, just one of the possibilities ^^

Have no clue if an SK exists or not. Could be a town vig. Talah was a good shot, considering how divisive day1 went down.
Nero I wouldn't have shot as vig, but I can ignore him. 4nxiety I might have shot, as his lurkiness was suspect.

[Plessiez]

projectmatt hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[PeregrineV]

All you SK theorists, theorize why there was no SK kill last night.

[Snork]

Are you serious....

1) RachMarie, the JOAT with an unused JK, used the JK on the SK.

2) The SK and mafia targeted the same person.

3) The mafia has a roleblocker who blocked the SK.

4) SK decided not to shoot last night.

The fact that there was an unexplained second kill on N2 provides further evidence that there is an SK.

Is it possible that we just have a really shitty town vig? Yes. It is. Do I think so? No cuz they would have claimed by now, plus the fact that SiX claimed N1's second kill.

[TheWayItEnds]

5) The SK is bulletproof and took the maf shot.

6) The last remaining maf doesnt have a factional kill ability and is a doctor or some shit instead.

Seriously, instead of that, how about some reasoning for the n2 second kill that doesnt point towards an SK.

[PeregrineV]

Are you serious....

1) RachMarie, the JOAT with an unused JK, used the JK on the SK.

Then you would look at Rach's scumreads and try to decude who that might be. What have you deduced?

2) The SK and mafia targeted the same person.

Why would the SK want to kill Rach? Why would the SK choose Nero/4nxiety over Rach the previous night?

3) The mafia has a roleblocker who blocked the SK.

If you think this, then you believe AngryPidgeon when he said they know who it is, and he said it's SiX. Does you think this likely?

4) SK decided not to shoot last night.

Why would the SK not shoot last night? Town or scum, it would be in their best interest to reduce the number of non-SK players.

The fact that there was an unexplained second kill on N2 provides further evidence that there is an SK.

Is it possible that we just have a really shitty town vig? Yes. It is. Do I think so? No cuz they would have claimed by now, plus the fact that SiX claimed N1's second kill.

Yes, the night2 thing is the strongest evidence. But, claiming reduces the scum POE by one. Shooting tonight and claiming tomorrow reduces it by two, etc.
Also, claiming a 1-shot vig as a 2-shot vig is also very town, IMO.

[PeregrineV]

5) The SK is bulletproof and took the maf shot.

Could be. Relates back to 3) above.

6) The last remaining maf doesnt have a factional kill ability and is a doctor or some shit instead.

Mafia docs are kind of very rare, and I don;'t recall the last one I saw in a Normal game, and Mafia always has a kill ability (Normal game).

Seriously, instead of that, how about some reasoning for the n2 second kill that doesnt point towards an SK.

I did say vig.

But this is kind of not really the issue. SK hunting when there are 2 scum left- seems like time can be better spent.

[Snork]

Whoa. Is it crazy that there could be two factions of 3 each and we just haven't gotten any of the other faction? That would kind of explain PV's irrational attempts at diverting attention from SiX and trying to discount the theory of an SK since it would likely result in his partner's lynch. PV-SiX-??

p-edit: There's only 1 left if there's an SK, and we're not SK hunting. No one is going "X could be the SK because Y". You're like off the charts dude.

[PeregrineV]

Whoa. Is it crazy that there could be two factions of 3 each and we just haven't gotten any of the other faction? That would kind of explain PV's irrational attempts at diverting attention from SiX and trying to discount the theory of an SK since it would likely result in his partner's lynch. PV-SiX-??

p-edit: There's only 1 left if there's an SK, and we're not SK hunting. No one is going "X could be the SK because Y". You're like off the charts dude.

No, off the charts. Different mafia are clearly labelled (normal game).

[Snork]

Yeah and?

[Snork]

How does that discount anything I said in that post?

[TheWayItEnds]

PV:
Nobody is voting you just because they are SK hunting.

I'm voting you because you're likely scum.

PA is also likely scum.

Between the 2 of you I mentioned that you were more likely the SK if we have one.

This doesnt change the fact that you are my highest scum read in the game.

This doesnt make me SK hunting.

This also isnt POE.

I'm not sorry that your defense of "but Mastin meta" doesnt impress me because meta is stupid and likely worthless.

I'm also not sorry that your defense of "but what if no SK" doesnt change that i have a scum read on you that is not dependant on an SK being in this game.

What I am sorry about is that this day phase is still happenning and you havent stopped being alive yet.


Seriously, can we lynch this and then check PA or PM and then win?

[Snork]

Yes let's.

[SiX]

If you're voting PV based on the same idiotic logic like you read me with, then I'm actually getting second thoughts about lynching him.

[DeasVail]

Then you would look at Rach's scumreads and try to decude who that might be. What have you deduced?

Do you actually expect Snork to do this considering it's only one of his possibilities?

[DeasVail]

Oh also, I've decided that I don't want a PMatt lynch. I'll go through PA, ThAd and Damon now.

[DeasVail]

Ok, so not going to finish everything I wanted to look at tonight, but I've done most of it. I'm not up for lynching Snow or PA today either, but I still see PA as possible scum. ThAd is probably out too for today with Damon being the only other one I'm considering at this stage but I want to look at him more closely first. I think it's probable that a PV lynch will happen whatever I decide and I wouldn't be unhappy with it at all, but maybe something else will pop out at me!

[SiX]

Oh, PV actually made me consider a thing here.

- R1 there was

2 shots

.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot
#2 JOAT 1-shot

- R2 there was yet again 2 shots.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot

*

AP(scum) started rampaging on me as soon as the round began due to the '2 shots'. The one who are first to bring something like that up, has a huge potential of being scum sharing their reasoning for the nightkill, to influence others the way they set it up > And see, he was a scum.
#2 Eventual 'strongman' shot

- R3 there was only 1 shot.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot

Werewolf faction

(Maulers)

Serial killer

(2 backdrawn shots so far)

2 Mafia Teams

(2 backdrawn shots so far)

This makes me believe that the villagers are against a gigantic mafia faction alone.

20 Players, ~5 Mafias which 3 dead.
2 Joats, which 1 is dead. That would make us having at max 2 Power-roles on the Town side (Gunsmith excluded).

Note:

While I'd like to believe Snork's claim, claiming 'Gunsmith' while I already had my fangs on AP (although, there certainly would have been a possibility my fangs wouldn't have reached through without the gunsmith claim) there is no saying that he isn't in fact a Mafia 'gunsmith' or just another sort of Mafia (role cop / goon...).

safeclaiming

Gunsmith, following my side would give him town-credit, not saying this is the case but definently a possibility worth looking into. - Weren't there also one saying this isn't the 'regular' way the gunsmith works?

[SiX]

max 2 Power-roles more* hidden somewhere.