NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Snork]

You're dumb. Really.

[penguin_alien]

Actually getting around to reading the triple-Mafia ISO of doom today.

For people who think I'm scum, please do check out my comments on mastin, especially relative to the reasoning of most people who ended up on the wagon, and tell me with a straight face that you think I'm scum. Especially if you know me and my anti-bussing tendencies. The idea that I'd crack open my own Mafia team is pretty far out for me. Which, heh, hey, PV, we've played together enough that you're welcome to weigh in on that one. Not sure anyone else left alive would know me well enough with the possible exception of DV?

More whenever I slog through the 442 scum posts...

[PeregrineV]

Actually getting around to reading the triple-Mafia ISO of doom today.

For people who think I'm scum, please do check out my comments on mastin, especially relative to the reasoning of most people who ended up on the wagon, and tell me with a straight face that you think I'm scum. Especially if you know me and my anti-bussing tendencies. The idea that I'd crack open my own Mafia team is pretty far out for me. Which, heh, hey, PV, we've played together enough that you're welcome to weigh in on that one. Not sure anyone else left alive would know me well enough with the possible exception of DV?

More whenever I slog through the 442 scum posts...

I tried to spoiler some of the relevant ones. Reads, attacks, defenses, etc.

[PeregrineV]

You're dumb. Really.

You do realize that as an alive claimed investigative role, that if you are not NKed, you need to be lynched prior to lylo to verify your results. Preferably a day or 2.

[Plessiez]

projectmatt hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

projectmatt hasn't responded to this prod, which was sent over 24 hours ago. I am looking for a replacement.

[Snork]

lol you're dumb too.

Worst case, we have 2 mislynches left. Today, and tomorrow. You really think that a) scum are going to keep me alive just on the off-chance they can convince town to lynch me and b) leave me around to continue investigating? I think not.

But go on, keep trying to sow seeds of doubt about my claim, about the existence of an SK, about the number of scum left. It's amusing, but you're still dead today. And on the slim possibility you are town, I'm probably dead tonight. So you'll get your flip one way or the other.

I've really about had it with this game. People keep prod-dodging and messing about with crap. I'm getting bored.

[PeregrineV]

lol you're dumb too.

Worst case, we have 2 mislynches left. Today, and tomorrow. You really think that a) scum are going to keep me alive just on the off-chance they can convince town to lynch me and b) leave me around to continue investigating? I think not.

But go on, keep trying to sow seeds of doubt about my claim, about the existence of an SK, about the number of scum left. It's amusing, but you're still dead today. And on the slim possibility you are town, I'm probably dead tonight. So you'll get your flip one way or the other.

I've really about had it with this game. People keep prod-dodging and messing about with crap. I'm getting bored.

Actually, it's standard mafia theory. If you are scum fakeclaiming, then you would of course not die, and you could "clear" town but also "clear" scum.


Your results are not validated until you are. You are usually not validated until dead.

[Egg]

No we aren't anywhere near questioning whether or not Snork is lying scum.

[PeregrineV]

No we aren't anywhere near questioning whether or not Snork is lying scum.

Just because you aren't, doesn't mean you shouldn't.

The fact that Snork lived last night AND got a result means if scum have a rolebleocker, they did not use it on him (a better target)?. If they do not have a rolebleocker, then why is he alive? As a player and as a role he is way more dangerous to scum than RachMarie (no offense Rach! )

Allowing him to live and get results seems suboptimal for scum to play. Especially given that Mastin/AP/Yates were all scum.

One day I might be able to understand (that would be last night). Anything else past that is unrealistic on the part of scum to allow him to live. Ditto on the part of town.

[Egg]

Rach was literally confirmed town. I'd be shocked if scum let a town Snork continue to live and either catch them or confirm half the town. We have no reason to do their dirty work for them. If he's still alive in a couple of days, we'll talk. But even if he's scum, it doesn't hurt to force him to give a couple more results first. That and I don't actually think he's scum so that would make him a strong power role and terrible lynch.

Let me put it this way. Let's assume game doesn't end today and Six dies tonight, then we lynch someone and the game STILL isn't over and someone other than Snork. Let's also assume Snork has yet to get a guilty and the N5 kill is on one of Snork's clears. So we have three confirmed (pending Snork's flip) town. We have seven living players. A lynch on Snork if he is town gives us two confirmed town of five players. I think we are in agreement that we have at most two scum. It would take pretty poor lynching to get to that point, but I think if we do, Day 6 is the earliest we can talk about lynching Snork. If we hit a scum before that, I'd say Day 7 at the earliest. Even at that point, we shouldn't do it unless we have reason to believe he is scum.

[Snork]

It's moot when I'm dead tonight. There's no more protection standing in the way of killing the one role that can confirm scum.

[Snork]

The question you SHOULD be asking is why is PV discussing all this nonsense - SK, maf numbers, lynching me - instead of

fucking scum hunting

.

[Egg]

To 2985, true. I was assuming you stay alive for the purpose of Pere's conspiracy theory.

To 2986, because he's scum probably.

[Damon_Gant]

Yeah, so don't have the energy to finish my analysis now in detail. Will do this tomorrow as a priority.

As a spoiler for what the essential contents will be:
I don't see PA scum
SnowStorm is more believable as mastin's "one bus" that PV said - but not sure that it works with other mafia interactions
ThAd is saved mostly by Yates' strong attack on him - else I would almost certainly be thinking ThAd scum
PV is no. 1 candidate for scum and his play today is horrendous as Snork indicated in 2986

I think PV is going to be the lynch, but I won't vote him until I've said my full piece (and if it's going to make him L-1, I'd probably wait for a claim also)

[Damon_Gant]

AP(scum) started rampaging on me as soon as the round began due to the '2 shots'. The one who are first to bring something like that up, has a huge potential of being scum sharing their reasoning for the nightkill, to influence others the way they set it up > And see, he was a scum.

Completely disagree with your reasoning here. Sure, AP-scum wanted to put immediate pressure on someone who was not of the scumteam. Why does that mean the scumteam made the kill? It could just as easily have been an actual SK.

[Plessiez]

SnowStorm hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[projectmatt]

Sigh. Sorry guys, I tried. I thought that I would have a free reign to dedicate a lot of time to this game but a lot of new personal stuff happened and it just didn't work out. I still stand by the fact that my reads this game (so far) have been fairly accurate, but unfortunately I can't help out this game in an essential way without being able to post at a somewhat regular basis. So replace me, sorry again! I'm gonna try not to join another mafia game until I'm sure I can do it.

[Egg]

Projectmatt, try avoiding larges until you complete some smaller games without any trouble keeping up.

[DeasVail]

Projectmatt, try avoiding larges until you complete some smaller games without any trouble keeping up.

He's done this. It's probably just new stuff going on that's making him need to replace out.

Good luck with all that projectmatt.

[TheWayItEnds]

It's moot when I'm dead tonight. There's no more protection standing in the way of killing the one role that can confirm scum.

Pretty sure we still have a bodyguard.

[TheWayItEnds]

Yeah, so don't have the energy to finish my analysis now in detail. Will do this tomorrow as a priority.

As a spoiler for what the essential contents will be:
I don't see PA scum
SnowStorm is more believable as mastin's "one bus" that PV said - but not sure that it works with other mafia interactions
ThAd is saved mostly by Yates' strong attack on him - else I would almost certainly be thinking ThAd scum
PV is no. 1 candidate for scum and his play today is horrendous as Snork indicated in 2986

I think PV is going to be the lynch, but I won't vote him until I've said my full piece (and if it's going to make him L-1, I'd probably wait for a claim also)

As a spoiler heres all my repsonses:

Thats fine but my personal lynch pool after PV is dead looks like in order: [PA/PM, DG, SS] so I hope you can find someone in there thats more lynchable than PA and some reasons.
Fuck what PV said about mastin meta.
ThAd is saved because day 2 happened and he was town in it. I mean sure hes town with shit reads... but hes still prob town.
PV is no. 1 candidate for scum and his play is horrendous. Fixed.

[SnowStorm]

Sorry. I haven't had much time this week and I'm not too worried about the game in its current state.

My reads haven't changed. I'd still like to go over some ISO's but that'll have to wait a little more. I'd also like to do those before lynching anyone.

[Plessiez]

ThAdmiral hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[Plessiez]

fferyllt replaces projectmatt, effective as of this post.

[Plessiez]

Vote count coming up.,,