Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I'm stunned.

Seriously stunned.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

But that actually maybe helps with the wtf is going on and why are we on such different pages about RBD.

[Titan]

My thought is vig. I've given some minor thought to 2 scum teams, and it might make sense of where the daytime lines get drawn, but I'm nowhere near convinced that's what's going on.

Please tell me this isn't real

I forget who suggested it. I've rolled it around in my head a few times. I dunno. I don't think so. The puzzle pieces aren't coming together very easily, though.

I think the huge divergence in RBD reads indicates two very different fragments of town in this game, with two strongly divergent ideas about what is going on.

I think that came from me as it was part of my whatsgoingoncabd?!? Though, I'm pretty sure he said no, I never did check our conversation, and falcon said the OP has it as just one scum team.

But I did wonder if scum had a second kill ability or something else. He wouldn't answer that though. That I do remember.

[CarbonFiber]

I'm stunned.

Seriously stunned.

What post was this in response to?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Bro's reads list.

[MastinSSK]

Btw, AP, BROseidon, and DV should all be posting soon, so have raised eyebrows if they don't within the next hour or two.

Baroo?

Well, raised eyebrows for everyone listed, but while for them it'd be brows, for you it'd be brows. (Best way to describe it.)

I think the huge divergence in RBD reads indicates two very different fragments of town in this game, with two strongly divergent ideas about what is going on.

This is kinda self-evident? I mean, it's basically what I've been saying explicitly for the last 24 or so hours, and even when I was in snark-mode was being implicitly said.

me:
Town
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
15 PeregrineV

Null-town
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
4 orcinus_theoriginal

Null-scum
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
11 Lord Business
16 Clyton

Lean scum
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

Scum
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)

Desp had AP and Kagura swapped relative to this. I've also moved Kagura up a few tiers today because reasons.

Actually, my first move is to beg you to show me why Fox/Hound is town. I'd love to bump them out of that damn nullzone, so if you can present some damn good reasons for them being town, I'd be heavily inclined to listen and, well, sheep you.
The second move is to ask for you to address the bits in my post about AP, things that quite frankly me-in-your-shoes would have pinged about him. And to ask that if you're townreading him in spite (or because of) the pings, as to why.
...The third move is to ask why PV's so high up. But not why-not-in-scum, so much as why-so-strongly-town.
And then the fourth is to ask for reasons on Red Gyarados and orcinus, since both are figures of extreme interest for me right now.
And the fifth is to ask about the emptiness in your scum list with Kagura moving up and Lord Business having flipped town.
And the sixth is to ask about what you think Rancid's alignment is because of the janitored flip.

So PV's about middle-of-the-list.

[Titan]

Ffery was that you who said you thought you guys were obvious town by late day one?

[AngryPidgeon]

Btw, AP, BROseidon, and DV should all be posting soon, so have raised eyebrows if they don't within the next hour or two.

You do realize Ive been on a weird schedule all week due to being out of town? And BRO has been busy with school things.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Yes.

That's usually how it goes because most of the time it takes a body of work to figure out what wincon is driving my mindset and behaviors.

This game has given me plenty of opportunity to lay down a body of work.

[MastinSSK]

Remember that time I said I was going to get to it later?

Well, no, but I do now, so 'kk. Will look forward to it.

And thank god, at least we have a partial overlap. Admittedly, with the order inverted. Orc at the top, Stalin at the bottom, Clyton in the middle, with a side of Gyarados. (Admittedly, where they fall is...really, really fluctuating.)

[Titan]

Ah I mean I obviously don't mind things like that being said, but I thought you said you'd be less likely to say that over the town as fuck convo we had.

[MastinSSK]

That's usually how it goes because most of the time it takes a body of work to figure out what wincon is driving my mindset and behaviors.
This game has given me plenty of opportunity to lay down a body of work.

For the record, ffery.
You, uh.

Kinda haven't.

Most of your posting has been behind-the-shadows. Not in public, but analyzed behind a supposed closed door of yours.

I'm basically feeling the need to have a revisit to my scum list atm, and bluntly you're among those that could fall in.

I'm sure there are aspects within your posting that could be construed as obvtown, but overall, your posting...isn't.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Remember that time I said I was going to get to it later?

Well, no, but I do now, so 'kk. Will look forward to it.

And thank god, at least we have a partial overlap. Admittedly, with the order inverted. Orc at the top, Stalin at the bottom, Clyton in the middle, with a side of Gyarados. (Admittedly, where they fall is...really, really fluctuating.)

Very interesting this.

You were reaching out and trying to work with me earlier. And with Bro's reads list suddenly I'm at the bottom.

Now, tell me how you've been rethinking all day and only just got around to posting this read change.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ah I mean I obviously don't mind things like that being said, but I thought you said you'd be less likely to say that over the town as fuck convo we had.

I don't say it lightly. I feel like my play has been transparent and my stances have been impossible to miss.

[MastinSSK]

(One of the massive pains in the ass is that nobody here is going to have the full picture. Rancid won't have. Mac won't have. Lord Business won't have. I certainly don't have it. Nor do I think any of the players I consider town have it. But I'm putting a lot of serious effort into trying and figuring out who's right where and wrong, where. Obviously, it's easier in some areas than others. I know Rancid was town, Janitor be damned. I know myself to be town, suspicion on me be damned. I know Titan's town, I know DesBRO's town, I'm gambling on F-16 being town and Kagura being town. So those, not so hard. The hardness comes in figuring out the rest, and I'm trying to piece it all together, without much success right now.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

(One of the massive pains in the ass is that nobody here is going to have the full picture. Rancid won't have. Mac won't have. Lord Business won't have. I certainly don't have it. Nor do I think any of the players I consider town have it. But I'm putting a lot of serious effort into trying and figuring out who's right where and wrong, where. Obviously, it's easier in some areas than others. I know Rancid was town, Janitor be damned. I know myself to be town, suspicion on me be damned. I know Titan's town, I know DesBRO's town, I'm gambling on F-16 being town and Kagura being town. So those, not so hard. The hardness comes in figuring out the rest, and I'm trying to piece it all together, without much success right now.)

You have just cratered any goodwill your efforts today banked with me.

That turnaround reeks and if you're town you've killed any chance whatsoever of us working together short of mod-confirmation you're town.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

CarbonFiber, how sure do you feel that your neighborhood is all town?

[MastinSSK]

You were reaching out and trying to work with me earlier.

I'm reaching out to everyone.

And with Bro's reads list suddenly I'm at the bottom.

No, you have been at the top of mine. But while you've briefly left it, you've been consistently returning to "the six". You're still not a strong scumread--if I was, I might be voting you. It's just that my townread on you has atrophied, for a multitude of reasons. Lack of obvtownness. Slight concern about overall approach to the game. Rancid's dieing vote. Me not being crazy, with others (and not AP-others, others-who're-probably/definitely-town-others) seeing it too. Feeling different from your normal town self. Some of my scumspects lower on the list having reasonable doubt about them being scum. As just those off the top of my head.

Now, tell me how you've been rethinking all day and only just got around to posting this read change.

Because I'm scatterbrained and the read change only got posted when attention was drawn to you and that reminded me, "Oh, yeah! About them."

[CarbonFiber]

Ah I mean I obviously don't mind things like that being said, but I thought you said you'd be less likely to say that over the town as fuck convo we had.

I don't say it lightly. I feel like my play has been transparent and my stances have been impossible to miss.

I can see you as town but I strongly disagree about your stances being clear. I don't ever think I've been this puzzled about your stances before in any game that we've played. You have "town," "maybe town" and "prob-town" lists and I have no idea who you would be willing to lynch and who you wouldn't. And D1, who you chose to deadline wagon seemed pretty arbitrary as well.

Also, I wanted to ask you this before but forgot. D1, I asked if you wanted to compromise lynch Mastin, you said that Rancid was most likely going to be lynched and that you thought I was wrong but hoped I was right. If you had no scumreads at that point and you thought a wagon on Rancid was going to go through, why wouldn't you defer to Beli's Mastin read (who you weren't reading as strongly town as Rancid) and work with me to compromise there as opposed to watching the Rancid wagon build up (before Nacho entered the thread)?

[CarbonFiber]

CarbonFiber, how sure do you feel that your neighborhood is all town?

I would bank the game on Pie/GIF, and BRO/Desp. I gave my views on Kagura and I don't have them as strongly town as I did before.

[Titan]

What I liked about Orci's use of the cage fight yesterday was that when he came in he originally said he was considering putting me and nacho/Bork against each other. I said that would be ironic, that I thought I'd get lynched in that case and that I'd claim in case of silliness. He told me not to. Idk I liked the tone of that exchange.

[CarbonFiber]

Also ffery, why haven't you been working with Pie as much considering you both hydra together etc.

[Titan]

Also I've almost now been up for 24 hours. There's a good chance I fall asleep before finishing catching up and there's also a good chance any comments I make from here on out are little more than gibberish. Please don't expect coherent answers to anything anyone asks or says if I somehow stay awake.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ah I mean I obviously don't mind things like that being said, but I thought you said you'd be less likely to say that over the town as fuck convo we had.

I don't say it lightly. I feel like my play has been transparent and my stances have been impossible to miss.

I can see you as town but I strongly disagree about your stances being clear. I don't ever think I've been this puzzled about your stances before in any game that we've played. You have "town," "maybe town" and "prob-town" lists and I have no idea who you would be willing to lynch and who you wouldn't. And D1, who you chose to deadline wagon seemed pretty arbitrary as well.

Also, I wanted to ask you this before but forgot. D1, I asked if you wanted to compromise lynch Mastin, you said that Rancid was most likely going to be lynched and that you thought I was wrong but hoped I was right. If you had no scumreads at that point and you thought a wagon on Rancid was going to go through, why wouldn't you defer to Beli's Mastin read (who you weren't reading as strongly town as Rancid) and work with me to compromise there as opposed to watching the Rancid wagon build up (before Nacho entered the thread)?

I'd have to look at that part of the thread to recall everything that was driving my thought process, but at that point I thought the RBD wagon was almost assured of going through not only because of who was pushing it and how hard, but also because Muffin (I think it was Muffin) was saying that they wanted out of the game.

I put my vote on Mastin and then Nati directly appealed to me. It made no sense to me to push against their wagon by pushing onto a wagon they opposed that strongly.

[MastinSSK]

That turnaround reeks and if you're town you've killed any chance whatsoever of us working together short of mod-confirmation you're town.

There is no turnaround. Run an iso of me on Stalin (you). You leave the pool at points. You return at later points. My read on you has been fluctuating. It still is. You're not a strong scumread. You're just not currently a townread. There's been a concern about you. There has been all day. Because this read on you isn't exactly new to today, either.

You've been nulltown. The reach-outs to you are for two purposes. (1) To work with your reads if you are town, (2) and if so, to figure that fact about you out for sure. Because while I've vaguely leaned that direction for the majority of the game...I've never been sure about it. I'm not discarding your feedback. But I am pointing out how I feel, and one of those feelings is that, well, quite frankly, you've not been giving clear feedback.

I can't recall so much as a single readslist. In 150 pages of the game. I don't remember seeing a single ffery game where you didn't have one, yet I can't remember seeing a proper one from you. Just vague hints. Promises of it to come, and general leans.