NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

Egg · Post Post #3025 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:55 am

Wow. Fuck projectmatt for not claiming that.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3026 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:57 am

Continuing the ISO read adjusting for two Mafia left and projectmatt as town, ThAd as possible scum.

Also, given the small pool of legit possibilities, SiX, this is the night to ensure Snork survives. If fferyllt takes care of me and Snork gets a result on one of the people not lynched today, we should be sitting pretty.

Snork · Post Post #3027 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:59 am

Ok well. I think you're town now. I also think you're right about a scum doctor, especially with essentially two town vigs.

If I were to question one of my results, it would be DV for praising my investigation on TWIE. No matter who I investigated, if they turned up no gun, pretty much anyone town would be disappointed it wasn't on scum. He wasn't. What do you think, PA?

If Fferyllt is going to shoot someone tonight, I'd vote to shoot between {ThAd, SiX, DV, DG}. I need you. I need your level of activity, your ability to think critically and discuss possibilities openly, and your willingness to work with us. I don't want Fferyllt to shoot you.

Snork · Post Post #3028 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:00 am

In post 3025, Egg wrote:Wow. Fuck projectmatt for not claiming that.

Yeah my thoughts exactly. Way to drop the fucking ball.

fferyllt · Post Post #3029 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:07 am

welp.

I'm still way short on sleep so I'm nowhere near ready to get into gamesolving mode.

The reason I asked for claim info earlier was because I wanted to see if the n2 kill info was critical today. A scan of my predecessors' iso indicated there had been no claim. I was curious about that when I saw there'd been a vig kill claim on talah.

Snork · Post Post #3030 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:09 am

UNVOTE:

With 2 mafia left, and no quickhammer here, it's likely this is the correct wagon. However, I'd like to talk with fferyllt more.

fferyllt · Post Post #3031 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:11 am

Actually I didn't ask for claim info. I thought I put that at the bottom of my spoilered wall. sleep-posting. :/

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #3032 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:14 am

What.
The.
Fuck.

How does a town vig not claim that shot.... especially with gunsmith running around.

ff is 4nx the only person youve shot at?

Snork... we're not shooting SiX. His posts are mostly shit, but hes still probtown at this point.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3033 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:15 am

I think I trust fferyllt to read me reasonably well, and if she doesn't believe I'm town by the end of the day, I'd rather not cloud the matter.

In terms of your results, yes, we could have a Mafia doctor. But I think that means at worst we have one scum in your eventual potential innocent pile. I do think it's incredibly unlikely to be TWIE, as a Mafia doc would be thrilled to be investigated and cleared, and I don't think he could have faked that. Plus my personal take is that mastin's list was indeed all non-Mafia, which would be in line with her gut tendency not to bus and hope that town would exhaust themselves running through it.

If we lynch another Mafia non-doctor, it's worth reexamining DV. Part of that depends on what the next Mafia flips. I agree that scum should have protection in this set-up. What does throw me is that a Mafia doc puts their investigation immunity and protection all in one role.

Another option is a Mafia roleblocker and a non-killing traitor, given that town is low-powered. Worth considering at least.

fferyllt · Post Post #3034 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:20 am

In post 3032, TheWayItEnds wrote:What.
The.
Fuck.

How does a town vig not claim that shot.... especially with gunsmith running around.

ff is 4nx the only person youve shot at?

Snork... we're not shooting SiX. His posts are mostly shit, but hes still probtown at this point.

According to the mod, yes. 4nxi3ty was matt's only target.

Snork · Post Post #3035 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:22 am

TWIE I just don't think his posts are valuable at all and feel they mostly just add noise and confusion. Not having him in LYLO would be a good thing imo. But yeah fine, ffery should should between DG and ThAd at the very least.

SiX · Post Post #3036 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:25 am

Whatever. Anyhow, any rejection to a gunsmith peek on Egg? Yet not convinced about him.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #3037 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:28 am

Alright, just making sure because you seemed interested in the fact that the Taleh kill was vig claimed by not-you.

Snork:
SiX and you are BOTH not making it to lylo.
I still think ThAd is town but i have no problems with her shooting DG, PA or SS.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #3038 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:29 am

Especially since I'm reasonably sure that PV flips red.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3039 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:31 am

Damon_Gant is likely town for how mastin pushed him. Egg is likely town for BipolarChemist's reaction to the dayvig.

If fferyllt doesn't want to shoot me, a pool of {PV, ThAd, SnowStorm} is my preference.

I also tend to think that since SiX can guarantee Snork lives, there's no reason for Snork not to claim his investigation target outright to keep from having that person shot by fferyllt if nothing else.

Snork · Post Post #3040 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:32 am

Oh yeah I guess SnowStorm is a good one too.

TWIE - why do you think ThAd is town again?

p-edit: I was planning to look at ThAd.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #3041 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:34 am

Also SiX should be bodygaurding you tonight Snork so we should get 1 more result.

We have something like 6 non-cleared non-claimed people right?
If ff shoots 1 and you cop 1 theres a fairly good chance we get someone.

PA:
PV is todays lynch still unless im missing something.

Snork:
Of course you were.

SiX · Post Post #3042 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:36 am

Just a small question, is there a possibility with 2 mafia factions, 1 mafia faction shoots every even round and the other every odd round?
The reason for this is Yates (first vote) on Mastin2, and Yates + AP's interactions. May be a Yates - AP team and a Mastin - X team?

Snork · Post Post #3043 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:37 am

-.- Who do you want me to investigate then, TWIE? And don't say PA because it's not happening.

p-edit: No SiX. I get the feeling that you have no idea how to play this game or that you come from EpicMafia, with all the villager talk.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #3044 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:37 am

Six:
No.

Snork: Actually whatever. Seems like I'm the "ThAd is town" minority so if you clear him and we dont have to waste a day mislynching him i guess thats fine too.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3045 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:39 am

The set-up says we have maximum one each of mafia and werewolf. I suspect Yates was bussing because mastin had checked out.

PeregrineV · Post Post #3046 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:41 am

In post 3037, TheWayItEnds wrote:Alright, just making sure because you seemed interested in the fact that the Taleh kill was vig claimed by not-you.

Snork:
SiX and you are BOTH not making it to lylo.
I still think ThAd is town but i have no problems with her shooting DG, PA or SS.

There is no reason to kill SiX unless you think he is a scum-vig or a one-shot SK.
Snork should be able to get one more result with a protection by Snork.
While Ffery picking off players is preferable, she can make an informed decision, and use her remaining shots strategically.

In post 3038, TheWayItEnds wrote:Especially since I'm reasonably sure that PV flips red.

You are so wrong that I'm surprised you haven't imploded.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3047 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:41 am

ThAd investigation works. That gives ffery a vig pool of {me, SnowStorm, PV, her read} pending the lynch.

penguin_alien · Post Post #3048 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:42 am

Also I'll post my longer wall continuation when my computer stops hating me, but Yates pushed PV and ThAd both pretty hard at various times. I'd be surprised if both were scum.

Snork · Post Post #3049 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:43 am

Well, I just want to understand the foundation of the town read. I have personally been extremely conflicted about his slot. Day 2 I really felt he might be town, but his flip on Nero was odd, combined with his D1 play, and his disappearance today, as well as the idea that we now are looking at 2 mafia left, making Yates et al bussing him more plausible, he's probably not a bad option.

PV - if we're wrong, what are your reads, investigation choices, vig choices?