Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Titan based on your neighborhood stuff do you have an opinion about Clyton?

Clyton, what are your thoughts?

[Kagura]

I need a V/LA until Wed evening to get my shit together

.

Apologies.

-b

[Clyton]

Sorry everyone, I am still really packed with things happening in my life. I'll try to post everything you guys wanted out of me by Monday; if not, you can suspect me for intentional V/LA abuse to avoid discussion contribution.

[Titan]

I ended up not having time today and I'm about to crash, so tomorrow.

Clyton and I haven't talked a whole bunch in the neighborhood. I have a leaning town read though.

[PeregrineV]

To clarify, Nacho last posted yesterday morning saying that he thought scum was among MastinSSK, AP, Clyton, Orc, and PV. I was waiting to hear updated thoughts mostly.

Oh, btw, did you get a good read on Clyton in the neighborhood?

Just skimming for right now, but are you not in the Titan/Clyton neighborhood?

[Yulia Jue]

Just Sheep Us has been prodded.
orcinus_theoriginal has been prodded.

[Just Sheep Us]

Will get to this later.

[MastinSSK]

So right now, am not exactly the most focused on mafia I could be. Kinda have something else on my mind; I finally finished mentally composing a tune, one which I've had stuck in my head and have been trying to figure out how to handle for months now. And am repeating it over and over again so I don't lose it.
(I just need to figure out how to actually compose it. It has a couple of bass guitars. One, low, which provides a constant beat throughout the song. Another, middle, which provides support for the main instruments going. There's also whatever the main instrument would be; haven't figured that out. And a snare, but not sure what type of snare, for support. And a keyboard, also supporting. Then a high string instrument, for a string solo. And a supporting string instrument.
And then the bridge throws in trumpets and a flute, the trumpets playing slowly and dominating, with the flutes playing fastly yet supporting.
...And I have absolutely zero musical background, meaning that I haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to pull any of this off. But the tune's there, and I love it. Kinda sorta sounds like it could be battle music for a video game, but it's a strong piece even by itself.)

But I did want to randomly note that I kinda meant it earlier when I made the comment about my role. It's the best role I could have, because if I catch all the scum, there's nothing they can do about it. A little charisma here, a little obvtown there to stop me from getting mislynched, and if I am on-base, there's literally not a damn thing they can do to stop me from obliterating them. A quite literal scumhunting god. No nightkill, no misdirection, just having to do the best they can to work damage control and pray to the mafia gods that I can be stopped.

The worst part of my role, however, is that once you're at the top...the only way to go from there is down. It's fully possible that at one point or another, I've had the entirety of the scumteam pinned down. But because I can't die, because I'm constantly paranoid and re-evaluating everything, that means that if I got things right, then I'm likely to go downhill and progressively get things more and more wrong. If I was a normal town player, I could get nightkilled with those high-accuracy reads. Since I'm not, well...scum let me live, to be potentially far more destructive to the town.

It does run both ways, though. The best part of the worst part is that it can also run the other way, with me having been sucking, but because of my immortality, being allowed to live long enough to not suck and turn things around. And the 'worst' part of the best part of my role is that it probably influenced how the scum treated my slot, a trait that I think can be tracked. Maybe not right now, but eventually, we can figure out how players have been treating it, and what reaction is more likely to be scum and why. (I do have thoughts on the matter, but I'm not sure whether I should share them.)

So without further ado...

The most obvious one that I think is most likely is what I was pushing for most of the game: Mastin, Rancid, and AP are scum with an unknown fourth member who fooled me decently well that isn't you, BRO-Desp, Yggdra, RG, Fox, PV, or Orc.

A third one involves getting behind Mastin and Rancid completely. I am not sure I can do this but if I do, I am still seeing AP as a scum that Mastin/Rancid caught. The other scum are apparently the low-hanging fruit like PV, maybe Orc. But I have a superstrong townread on PV so I am not sure I buy it. I could still buy Mastin/Rancid town being wrong about PV.

I read this post, but everything in it seems to be saying, "All these players could be scum. Mastin/Rancid included. They could also all be town. Mastin/Rancid included. But in all scenarios, AP is scum."

I'm reading the post and while you deal with me being town in some of them, AP is town in none of them. Correct?

Also I'm on mastinssk's ISO and it's 3 pages long and I'm willing to bet it's 2/3 wall so can I skip it or will you guys flip your shit if I do

I would much prefer you read it. If for no other reason, then because I'm the damn leading wagon and because I say a lot of good things in there, 'specially the third page.

re Mastin: Yeah, I'm really thinking Mastin is town now, even though I want her not to be for the sake of my ego.

Oi!
Just because you null-reading me caused me null-reading you, don't think that townreading me will suddenly make me townread you!

Why

am I now a townread?

[MastinSSK]

Oh. Also:

Mod: V/LA Friday through Sunday.

Pacific Northwest Square Dance Festival, up in Canada this year. Langley, British Columbia, more specifically. Don't think I'll be able to play at all during that time. (Never know. It could happen. 'Specially if I skip out on sleep Friday night. Butyeah.)

[The Fox and the Hound]

re Mastin: Yeah, I'm really thinking Mastin is town now, even though I want her not to be for the sake of my ego.

Oi!
Just because you null-reading me caused me null-reading you, don't think that townreading me will suddenly make me townread you!

Why

am I now a townread?

I plan on going through everyone again and trying to sort out the people I gave too much credit to for little things from the people who are actually town. There will probably be a lot of text involved, I hope. I also want to sift through everything I thought was scummy from you early on and see if I can make sense of it. When I do that, I will try to explain my drifting in this direction. Might take me a few days to get around to the whole project.

[Titan]

To clarify, Nacho last posted yesterday morning saying that he thought scum was among MastinSSK, AP, Clyton, Orc, and PV. I was waiting to hear updated thoughts mostly.

Oh, btw, did you get a good read on Clyton in the neighborhood?

Just skimming for right now, but are you not in the Titan/Clyton neighborhood?

It's been discussed and corrected more than once that he creates the neighborhoods but is not in them (except for his world).

Though Clyton did mention thinking we had a lurker, I don't know why he thought that.

[Titan]

Also, if anyone could think I'm still scum at this point, I don't know what to tell them. Like, I don't want to chalk things up to personal bias against me b/c I'm a dick, etc, but I'd be at a loss for any other explanation for anyone voting me at this point.

Why did you say this at the start of the day when there were no votes on you?

[Titan]

What were bork's reads?

not yet. Clyton and I claimed to each other. But he hasn't been around much and neither have I. I asked him what he thought of Mastin yesterday, and he said he was catching up. I haven't heard from him since.

but i'm interested in something and how it plays out.

oh but there was one thing that interested me. during yesterday's cagefight, LB claimed pretty readily. Did anyone else realize that Breakfast never claimed during that affair? That seems like it would have been the natural impetus for people to do.

Bork didn't post a reads-list but he seemed to lean town on RedGyarados. He was also scumreading PV on D1. I don't know any of his other reads.

I didn't expect Breakfast to claim because I assumed that the lynch was going to be LB (especially with LB himself advocating his lynch) and Breakfast was just there as filler.

There are a few different ways I've been looking at this game. The most obvious one that I think is most likely is what I was pushing for most of the game: Mastin, Rancid, and AP are scum with an unknown fourth member who fooled me decently well that isn't you, BRO-Desp, Yggdra, RG, Fox, PV, or Orc. I am not sure if Kagura will fit into this worldview. Nacho showing up at deadline to completely derail a wagon on a scumbuddy would be a pretty ballsy move. He's only done it with townies before, never fellow scum. Also, his usual interactions with zMuffin as scum-scum is to lightly distance but not TRULY push for the lynch of the lynch of the other the way they did in NY169. This is one of the reasons I called bussing hard on Mastin and AP (because of how they left the outs to lynch PV). My concern that two scum wagons would end up in a town lynch was largely based on Wicked where Nacho and I were wagoned along with UT and T-Bone hydra with the lynch somehow turning onto town-BRO. We all commented on it in the scum QT as well. That's exactly what I was worried would happen with Mastin and AP making a ton of noise but neither getting lynched and lurkertown was deadline lynched instead.

Another worldview is that Nacho and ffery are scum (either one of them or both of them). This is a little weaker but I wouldn't completely rule out ffery not voting at all on Mastin but happily voting BRO at deadline. (As an aside, I know you suspect them but you'd know there is not a chance they are scum if you see the neighborhood thread so I am basically assuming they are town and seeing who votes them). I also wouldn't rule out Breakfast being the last scum along with Mastin/Rancid/AP either. But there are a few things that heavily made me lean town on ffery so I am holding back. And her explanation that she didn't want to lynch Nati's townread in order to save him isn't a bad one either.

A third one involves getting behind Mastin and Rancid completely. I am not sure I can do this but if I do, I am still seeing AP as a scum that Mastin/Rancid caught. The other scum are apparently the low-hanging fruit like PV, maybe Orc. But I have a superstrong townread on PV so I am not sure I buy it. I could still buy Mastin/Rancid town being wrong about PV.

Overall, I can sense some movements in the game that would happen if Rancid and Mastin are town. Specifically Nacho's whiteknighting of Rancid. But it is harder to see Kagura-scum, Rancid-town because Rancid was pretty hard-townreading Kagura and I figured if they were town, they'd have some inkling that Kagura was scum. How likely is Kagura to fit in with a Mastin/Rancid/AP team? Do you think there is still merit to the idea of those three being a team or Mastin and Rancid distancing?

All I am sure of is that this game is not easy. It is not a game that we're going to win by lynching lurkers - PV/Orc etc and everytime Mastin or Nacho bring up the idea that the low hanging fruit/lurkergroup contain scum, it brings up massive glaring red flags. One thing I am convinced is that scum aren't among the players that are easy to lynch and if they were so, this is not the gamestate that we would have ended up at this point.

Okay so this game went to a stall...

I'm still concerned about desp/bro, and I know meltdown yada yada but what I'm concerned about is if you look at BRO in Wicked when he was run up and compare it to here, it just doesn't feel the same. Yeah, I know I was the mod so I saw it through a different lens but when we were talking about things in the dead qt, he mentioned that his survivalism is tied to the gamestate and he is more likely to care about being lynched as scum than as town, so on the whole the meltdown makes me wonder. (And this is what I'm refering to about feeling like complete shit if he's telling the truth or if there was just something really going on in his life that impacted how he felt in games.) I'd probably feel like it was more genuine from someone who legitimately cares about being mislynched than as someone who generally doesn't get so worked up about it.

I...don't know what to think about Mastin or AP. Mastin sometimes gives me the feeling of hpaptl but everything is just so over the top. I'd probably be okay with that lynch just because it's been such a distraction and it might help to clear up rancid's alignment. There are a few things that still bug me about rancid, so yeah I don't know there.

I don't know. I feel kinda lost. I want notscience/brian skies to do something so I can stop being worried about them. I thought they were going to start doing stuff this weekend, but that fizzled. I was nacho/bork to do something so I can stop being worried about them. Ffery has said some things that I'd be pretty shocked if it came from scum. I'd be surprised if you were scum. Clyton and I claimed to each other, and the use of his role is compatible with his behavior. Scum will know my role if he's scum, but if that's the case it's really no big deal. I don't really get the super strong town read on PV. I'm more than a little concerned about Orci, and right now I'm a little worried that Nacho orchestrated that lynch on Orci yesterday knowing that he would self-govern. Also, now his proven gladiator type fight makes me concerned about Rancid. I mean I get it there can be multiple roles and lolcabd game so I'm not going to outguess the mod, but would there be two gladiator-type town roles?

Ugh I don't feel good. I'm going to go lie down. If this headache disappears, I'll try to finish my thoughts.

[Titan]

Wait a minute. Nacho has mastin in his potential scum pool? I thought he had a town read there.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I could go on vla here but I really don't want to

BRO meltdowns throw me back to the bauss game where he and AP were scum

mastin's eccentrics makes me lean scum on that slot

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus needs to show up and do something.

every time you say my name i get a warm feeling inside

[MastinSSK]

Okay so this game went to a stall...

That's what happens when players have me as the lead wagon but I run out of things to say. Because the scum lurk waiting for me to get mislynched, and the town aren't willing to engage others.

I...don't know what to think about Mastin or AP. Mastin sometimes gives me the feeling of hpaptl but everything is just so over the top.

If you think this is HPAPTL, you should be lynching AP.

I'd probably be okay with that lynch just because it's been such a distraction and it might help to clear up rancid's alignment.

Rancid's death if not janned would have been clearing up my alignment. Not vice-versa. That he WAS janned is all the proof you need it was by scum, too. And for people who keep saying I'm a distraction, they keep on seeming to...lose focus when I'm not talking. (As above.) Seriously, dips in activity this game are directly related to how relevant I am. Extremely, active. Irrelevant, inactive.

A lynch on me removes the one fucking player the scum 100% cannot get rid of, and gives you two isoes that nobody except players-VERY-nightkillable is willing to sift through (Rancid's and my own) for cases we've been pushing since day fucking one...which they wouldn't bother blindly sheeping anyway, trusting their own fucking instincts over the instincts of both dead town players 'cause that's how town players think. Making the true accomplishment in lynching me...

...Furthering scum's wincon.

I want notscience/brian skies to do something so I can stop being worried about them. I thought they were going to start doing stuff this weekend, but that fizzled. I was nacho/bork to do something so I can stop being worried about them. Ffery has said some things that I'd be pretty shocked if it came from scum. I'd be surprised if you were scum. Clyton and I claimed to each other, and the use of his role is compatible with his behavior. Scum will know my role if he's scum, but if that's the case it's really no big deal. I don't really get the super strong town read on PV. I'm more than a little concerned about Orci, and right now I'm a little worried that Nacho orchestrated that lynch on Orci yesterday knowing that he would self-govern. [/quote] Aside from the fferyread, you're saying a lot of the same things as me, you know.

Also, now his proven gladiator type fight makes me concerned about Rancid. I mean I get it there can be multiple roles and lolcabd game so I'm not going to outguess the mod, but would there be two gladiator-type town roles?

You've got two gladiator-type roles in the game.
One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

ahhhhhhhh i see

VOTE: mastinssk

1v1 me

[MastinSSK]

BRO meltdowns throw me back to the bauss game where he and AP were scum

mastin's eccentrics makes me lean scum on that slot

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

Holy mother of sheeping-Titan.

[MastinSSK]

One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

ahhhhhhhh i see

VOTE: mastinssk

1v1 me

You've been a nullread. Not a scumread. But assuming a scum gladiator. Not a chance in fucking hell would it be Rancid.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO meltdowns throw me back to the bauss game where he and AP were scum

mastin's eccentrics makes me lean scum on that slot

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

Holy mother of sheeping-Titan.

?

One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

ahhhhhhhh i see

VOTE: mastinssk

1v1 me

You've been a nullread. Not a scumread. But assuming a scum gladiator. Not a chance in fucking hell would it be Rancid.

The first two sentences are lies. And why would you assume a scum gladiator?

[Yggdra Union]

Orc's role is more of a governor than a gladiator and governor is like town.

-Luciana

[Yulia Jue]

I need a V/LA until Wed evening to get my shit together

.

Mod: V/LA Friday through Sunday.

Noted

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also your argument that my claim is scummier than rancid's is dumb as all hell

Here is where your line of reasoning works:
Person A claims doc middle of day 3
Person B claims it after being run up

In this case, yes one claim is more likely to be town than the other

But I have a PROVEN role

PROVEN role

so it doesn't fucking matter when I claimed, does it?

[Cabd]

MINE?