Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 2-7

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.

Angry Pidgeon (1): MastinSSK
MastinSSK (4): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Yggdra Union, orcinus_theoriginal
Breakfast With Stalin (1): CupcakePanda
Kagura (2): Titan, Red Gyarados
CupcakePanda (1): The Fox and the Hound


Not Voting (5): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin

Mod Notes:
~AP is V/LA for 5 days.
~PV is V/LA until the night of the 28th
~Kagura is V/LA until the night of the 30th
~MastinSSK will be V/LA from the 2nd to the 4th

~I had to prod and that makes me the sads

With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)

[CarbonFiber]

Cabd

(and everyone), just to let you know, I have finals and projects due during the first couple of weeks of April (the last one is on the 13th), so I

might

be more active after that. But my activity will be decreased before that although I'll still check in and keep up with the thread and I may exceed the prod limit. FT's finals end on the fifth and he said he would be massively active after that since apparently he has more free time then.

Tammy

, I saw your post about your reads and I understand where you are coming from with regards to BRO because his play here

is

different from Wicked and his posts in the dead thread match up with the philosophy you described (caring more about getting lynched as scum). There are a few things I've witnessed in the neighborhood though and how they played out in the thread that made me certain enough to bank the game on this read with a certainty that I rarely, rarely have. I'll outline it for you in another wall so we can see eye to eye on it and get on the same page. I want all four of us (you, me, Desp-BRO, PieGIF to be on the same page about the four of us). Let me present my read and tell me if you are convinced or show me where you think I'm wrong.

[MastinSSK]

MastinSSK (5): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Red Gyarados, Yggdra Union,

The Fox and the Hound

,

orcinus_theoriginal

Not Voting (5): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin,

I realize that Fox/Hound jumped off, but I can't help but feel that--at least within those names--there's not going to be more than two scum off my wagon. (Could be, with Fox/Hound having jumped off.) That's not some arbitrary half-on, half-off; that's off of who the names are. AP's scum off the wagon, but F-16 is not and I trust Clyton to not be, either. So aside from Nacho-ffery-AP (lolno), you've gotten a guarantee of 2 scum having been on my wagon.

I'm still defaulting to 2 or 3. That between PV, Fox/Hound (now off), and orcinus (outside of Red Gyarados), we've got 2-3 scum.
AP's scum regardless, though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually i'm feeling that with all the spur of the moment wagons this game could be won through VCA

which btw is not my strong suit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MastinSSK (5): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Red Gyarados, Yggdra Union,

The Fox and the Hound

,

orcinus_theoriginal

Not Voting (5): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin,

I realize that Fox/Hound jumped off, but I can't help but feel that--at least within those names--there's not going to be more than two scum off my wagon. (Could be, with Fox/Hound having jumped off.) That's not some arbitrary half-on, half-off; that's off of who the names are. AP's scum off the wagon, but F-16 is not and I trust Clyton to not be, either. So aside from Nacho-ffery-AP (lolno), you've gotten a guarantee of 2 scum having been on my wagon.

I'm still defaulting to 2 or 3. That between PV, Fox/Hound (now off), and orcinus (outside of Red Gyarados), we've got 2-3 scum.
AP's scum regardless, though.

there's gotta be a vig button somewhere

[MastinSSK]

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

Holy mother of sheeping-Titan.[/quote]?[/quote] Your post was directly sheeping every fucking thing Tammy JUST said.

You've been a nullread. Not a scumread. But assuming a scum gladiator. Not a chance in fucking hell would it be Rancid.

The first two sentences are lies. And why would you assume a scum gladiator?

Scumread at times, sure. But overall nullread. Mostly in, but some out, 'specially recently. And I'm not assuming a scum gladiator. I was addressing Tammy's assumption OF a scum gladiator. And that IF there is a scum gladiator (still not positive), it sure as fuck isn't Rancid.

But I have a PROVEN role
PROVEN role
so it doesn't fucking matter when I claimed, does it?

Yes, it does. Dayvigging me in the middle of D1 proves the role of dayvig. Doesn't make the player town, though. *coughcoughanyonetownreadingtitus'sslotshouldabeenashamedcough*

[MastinSSK]

...I'm distracted. Quote tags are hard.

[Yggdra Union]

And governor is a town role.

[MastinSSK]

And governor is a town role.

Bluntly, no.

I've seen a shitload of scum governors; I've not encountered a town one.

Yeah, I know they exist; the role is supposed to be alignment-null. But my experience has been scum governors. ESPECIALLY self-governing.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Cabd

(and everyone), just to let you know, I have finals and projects due during the first couple of weeks of April (the last one is on the 13th), so I

might

be more active after that. But my activity will be decreased before that although I'll still check in and keep up with the thread and I may exceed the prod limit. FT's finals end on the fifth and he said he would be massively active after that since apparently he has more free time then.

Tammy

, I saw your post about your reads and I understand where you are coming from with regards to BRO because his play here

is

different from Wicked and his posts in the dead thread match up with the philosophy you described (caring more about getting lynched as scum). There are a few things I've witnessed in the neighborhood though and how they played out in the thread that made me certain enough to bank the game on this read with a certainty that I rarely, rarely have. I'll outline it for you in another wall so we can see eye to eye on it and get on the same page. I want all four of us (you, me, Desp-BRO, PieGIF to be on the same page about the four of us). Let me present my read and tell me if you are convinced or show me where you think I'm wrong.

So you have a towntowntown group.

[Titan]

And governor is a town role.

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

[MastinSSK]

So you have a towntowntown group.

Yes, so did I.

Two of their members died.

I'd be willing to bet ten "I'll listen to your theories" on them both insisting I'm town and raging.
Ranting.
Shouting expletives.
At how people are ignoring their fucking townreads on me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes, it does. Dayvigging me in the middle of D1 proves the role of dayvig. Doesn't make the player town, though. *coughcoughanyonetownreadingtitus'sslotshouldabeenashamedcough*

No, you aren't this thick.

You said that rancid's claim was townier than mine, and that if one of us was scum, then it would be me.

Your evidence for this was that rancid's claim was townier than mine because I claimed when I was being run up

But that makes no sense. Claims while people are run up are scum because they are liable to fakeclaim something random. But my role is PROVEN. So the fact that I claimed while being run up is completely irrelevant to my actual alignment

Also you misrepped your previous post

[MastinSSK]

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

Is it sad that the person everyone else is calling obvtown is basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying and yet they obvtown her yet are voting me?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Two of their members died.

Something our groups share.

[Titan]

Okay falcon.

I should probably also note my activity might be spotty the next few weeks. End of the semester for me too. Much like the beginning of semesters, I never know how they'll go, but I typically use mafia as a way to take a break during grading so my activity might just be normal.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

Is it sad that the person everyone else is calling obvtown is basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying

basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying

one post

what the fuck?

People aren't townreading her for saying obvious stuff like "hi cabd game". People are townreading her because tammy's pretty simple to read

[Yggdra Union]

there's gotta be a vig button somewhere

[MastinSSK]

You said that rancid's claim was townier than mine, and that if one of us was scum, then it would be me.

Yes. For a myriad of different reasons. Play included.

Your evidence for this was that rancid's claim was townier than mine because I claimed when I was being run up

Yes. Mainly because I was appealing to the train of thought being used to paint a gladiator as scummy and point out why Rancid wasn't scummy from the circumstances of his claim.

But my role is PROVEN. So the fact that I claimed while being run up is completely irrelevant to my actual alignment

Read Kalimar getting run up in Gundamn Seed. Run up and claimed--and proved vig on me. Proven role != proven alignment, merely that the role is proven. There's zero doubt in my mind Rancid's claim was real, nor your claim. There's zero doubt Rancid was town for me.

There IS doubt that YOU are town.

But it's just that, doubt, not absolute disbelief.

[MastinSSK]

basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying
one post
what the fuck?

It goes back further than that.
Almost everything Tammy has said recently is something that I said before her, earlier in the thread.

The difference is that people ignored me and aren't ignoring her.

Thus, sad.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i know that proven role does not equal proven alignment

but you are saying THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF MY CLAIM IS SCUMMIER THAN THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF RANCID'S CLAIM

WHICH MAKES NO SENSE

[MastinSSK]

i know that proven role does not equal proven alignment
but you are saying THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF MY CLAIM IS SCUMMIER THAN THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF RANCID'S CLAIM
WHICH MAKES NO SENSE

Except that you're trying to have cake while eating it. The circumstances of your claim were desperation, and a need to use the role to 'prove' yourself. Rancid, not so much.

Thus, of the two, Rancid's was townier.

It's a trivial argument overall, though. Since I'm not even sure of a scum gladiator. (I suspect as much, though.)

[Titan]

Mastin - when I say lolcabd game it means I'm not about to outguess what he would or wouldn't do. I mean I'll wonder about it, but I'm not going to go aha one has to be scum! He designs more complex setups than that whole thing. I take a somewhat similar approach to faraday games. Using common sense is fine, saying the mod will do x isn't here.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The circumstances of your claim were desperation, and a need to use the role to 'prove' yourself.

So how the actual fuck does this make me scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I know it's a trivial argument but it shows me that you're spouting nonsense