Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[Yggdra Union]

lmao. there are no ways you can be out of your mind in mafia

I have to admit I could potentially see tammy as scum, but this was based on a half assed initial read on SAD from way back on like D1 and not tammy. I'd written tammy off as town and never really questioned it

I still think it's way more likely mastin x AP though. the only problem I'm having is I don't know how much sense a mastin/ap/ffery team makes

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, so I've been thinking about this for a while. Mastin-Rancid town explains a lot of things but only at a surface level. Consider this: Rancid was being run up and the Nacho jumps in at deadline hardcore whiteknighting them like he usually does as scum. Tammy votes and unvotes and refuses to vote them because she doesn't want to leave her vote on a charismatic town player. Rancid accurately nail Tammy as scum and get mad at me for spending my time working and collaborating with a scumbag (Tammy). Mastin nails her as well based on her opening post to Nacho which she knows she has to do if she was town. She did it with Empire in Red Wine and rinses and repeats with Nacho. Ffery's read on Mastin and Rancid involves basically letting the town tear each other apart but with no conclusions. Ffery gives hugs and kisses to Nati as we push their mislynch and they beg and appeal to her. She fooled Nati before. She fooled Muffin before. Why can't she do it again? They die town-reading her and complimenting her while painting Tammy for the scum that she is and cussing me out for strong townreading her.

Nacho doesn't have time to post so asks Bork to cover most of the posting. Bork does fantastic and looks pro-town as hell. His buddy Ffery stages a sort with him so that she can eventually townread him and push him as town-town-town and she's never hear a word against him. AngryPidgeon enters the game and everyone is overjoyed. AP accuses me of buddying with Tammy and Tammy distances from him ever so slightly and takes my side. Whenever Mastin or Rancid attack her, she pushes back but never really powers through a lynch on them. Nacho also suggests that Beli not post a lot since it is a classic ffery scumtell for her to take a backseat in scum hydras. So with Ffery controlling all the posting and the guy that prefers playing scum not posting at all, people invariably townread Beliffery. The rest of the game involves ffery not posting scumreads at all other than saying that Beli thinks Mastin is scum hoping the town will eat themselves alive.

Nacho specifically tells Tammy to continue townreading me but not strongly and always leaving open the possibility of a mislynch. After all, it has to be town that alienates me and not him or Tammy who will have to continue buddying and townreading me throughout the game. Nacho might push on me as he did during the Mentor-Mentee game but buddying me is so much easier because I don't want to read Nacho as scum. He offers the same advice to Tammy but it moderation. Tammy eggs me on with paranoia of Mastin saying that "Mastin said in Anything Goes that everyone will read him as town and those that don't will be mislynched by the players that are townreading him." That she believes would fuel my paranoia and make me push harder against Mastin and get more likely lynched as more people call me out for the push.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If I post this in thread, all hell will break loose. But hey, it doesn't seem like a horrible idea. This game needs something to kick it into action.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

And then... reality hits:

1) Mastin's push on me D1 was a whole load of horseshit and the incredibly manipulative way he went about it makes no sense as town.

2) Mastin and AP working in tandem to snag the PV lynch also doesn't make sense.

3) Mastin's continued push on The Fox and The Hound until it was apparent they wouldn't be lynched was crap.

4) Rancid retracting the miller claim after being cc'd was a load of garbage.

5) Mastin and AP working in tandem to get PV lynched screams scum distancing.

6) Mastin's reaction to the BRO wall was basically a scumclaim - or as good as.

---

For the first time, I'm looking at alternative possibilities but I think there are a few things to take into consideration regarding Mastin's attack on Ffery:

1) I openly stated to Tammy that Mastin attacking low hanging fruit is raising alarms.

2) Mastin can see that several people are frustrated with Ffery and might be playing off of our frustration so it would resonate with us and we can "relate" to him when he too is mad at ffery.

This second point really makes me think Mastin-scum.

I'll rethink things and sleep on it. Yeah, I guess on some level it makes sense but the more obvious viewpoint still is making more sense to me.

[Desperado]

i feel like rbd's janitor is the lynchpin here

do you really think that's not a scumkill?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

They were wagoned hard D1. Probably a janitor vig.

[Desperado]

who is dumb enough to janitor vig rbd in this playerlist

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

It is not a dumb move. I'd have done it. Them being out of the game takes out a very likely scum who narrowly dodged a D1 lynch and makes the game a ton more fun.

[Just Sheep Us]

Dude, Mac is dead and flipped town.

like i said i'm not totally sober

titan's d1 was pretty town but she's been really scummy today.

This is how I feel.

The interaction with p5 leading up to the vote is really bad.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, so I've been thinking about this for a while. Mastin-Rancid town explains a lot of things but only at a surface level. Consider this: Rancid was being run up and the Nacho jumps in at deadline hardcore whiteknighting them like he usually does as scum. Tammy votes and unvotes and refuses to vote them because she doesn't want to leave her vote on a charismatic town player. Rancid accurately nail Tammy as scum and get mad at me for spending my time working and collaborating with a scumbag (Tammy). Mastin nails her as well based on her opening post to Nacho which she knows she has to do if she was town. She did it with Empire in Red Wine and rinses and repeats with Nacho. Ffery's read on Mastin and Rancid involves basically letting the town tear each other apart but with no conclusions. Ffery gives hugs and kisses to Nati as we push their mislynch and they beg and appeal to her. She fooled Nati before. She fooled Muffin before. Why can't she do it again? They die town-reading her and complimenting her while painting Tammy for the scum that she is and cussing me out for strong townreading her.

Nacho doesn't have time to post so asks Bork to cover most of the posting. Bork does fantastic and looks pro-town as hell. His buddy Ffery stages a sort with him so that she can eventually townread him and push him as town-town-town and she's never hear a word against him. AngryPidgeon enters the game and everyone is overjoyed. AP accuses me of buddying with Tammy and Tammy distances from him ever so slightly and takes my side. Whenever Mastin or Rancid attack her, she pushes back but never really powers through a lynch on them. Nacho also suggests that Beli not post a lot since it is a classic ffery scumtell for her to take a backseat in scum hydras. So with Ffery controlling all the posting and the guy that prefers playing scum not posting at all, people invariably townread Beliffery. The rest of the game involves ffery not posting scumreads at all other than saying that Beli thinks Mastin is scum hoping the town will eat themselves alive.

Nacho specifically tells Tammy to continue townreading me but not strongly and always leaving open the possibility of a mislynch. After all, it has to be town that alienates me and not him or Tammy who will have to continue buddying and townreading me throughout the game. Nacho might push on me as he did during the Mentor-Mentee game but buddying me is so much easier because I don't want to read Nacho as scum. He offers the same advice to Tammy but it moderation. Tammy eggs me on with paranoia of Mastin saying that "Mastin said in Anything Goes that everyone will read him as town and those that don't will be mislynched by the players that are townreading him." That she believes would fuel my paranoia and make me push harder against Mastin and get more likely lynched as more people call me out for the push.

F-16, you've gone off the deep end, my friend.

[Nachomamma8]

SCUM QT (Scene 1)

:

Tammy

: Fucking hell. I thought I exhausted all my scum roles this year.

Heh Nacho

I'm headed to work, check in later.

Nacho

: I was hoping to draw town with Tammy but scum with Tammy will have to do.

Bork

: HEY GUYS GOT MY ROLE PM NOW

Tammy

: Shit, Mastin pegged me on my first post. That has to be a record.

Nacho

: Stay calm, no fear.

Tammy

: Heh, Falcon's post looks awkward. Going to push on him for a bit.

Nacho

Nacho

HEY TAMMY

Nacho

HEY TAMMY

Nacho

DON'T BE AFRAID, I WILL GET YOU THROUGH THIS

Nacho

TAMMY PLEASE DON'T PANIC

Nacho

TAMMY JUST GET MAD

Nacho

TAMMY JUST GET ANGRY AT THOSE HORRIBLE PEOPLE. THEY WILL SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM BUT YOU WILL SEE THEM IN YOUR UNDERWEAR

Nacho

HAHAHAHAH ISN'T THAT GOOD REVENGE

Nacho

TAMMY

Nacho

TAMMY

Nacho

TAMMY NO I'M LOSING YOU I CAN'T LOSE YOU LIKE THIS. WE'VE COME SO FUCKING FAR TO GO OUT LIKE A PAIR OF KITTY CATS (NO OFFENSE TO YOUR ADORABLE CAT). TAMMY PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP ON ME NOW, WE CAN DO IT, YOU CAN DO IT, IT CAN BE DONE AND IT WILL BE DONE. I REFUSE TO TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER. I REFUSE TO HEAR THE WORDS I CAN'T. I REFUSE TO LET YOU ROLL OVER AND DIE TO ALL OF THESE BULLIES. TAMMY. TAMMY. TAAAAAMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYY

Tammy

I do have an adorable cat!

Tammy

Nacho I'm not that horrible at scum

[Nachomamma8]

who is dumb enough to janitor vig rbd in this playerlist

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nachomamma8]

2) Mastin can see that several people are frustrated with Ffery and might be playing off of our frustration so it would resonate with us and we can "relate" to him when he too is mad at ffery.

Bring this up in thread.
What is mastin frustrated about re: ffery?

[Desperado]

i'm having difficulty parsing those 14 exclamation points

what do they mean?!?

[Desperado]

tammy demanding that pere use meta from a recent game as opposed to from an older game because it will make her look town is just fucking terrible man

i can't unsee it now. especially with tammy's "there's a big bad cabal circling to lynch ffery!!!!!"

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Tammy is town.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

See her latest posts.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay Desp, so the reason I'm reading Titan as town is that the entire body of work she has put forth so far in thread is pretty difficult to fake. Tammy as scum can sometime do decently well but the truly open scumhunting that she has done this game felt incredibly town. Her defense of ffery makes sense because Ffery is waffling a lot.

I think you make good points with your attacks on Ffery and I am not sure how best to mediate between everyone although I am giving it my best shot. I can try to show Tammy that you are town but I doubt ffery will listen to my reads.

I feel now that they are both very, very, very town.

As to who is scum with Mastin or AP, I haven't got a clue.

Spoiler: updated reads

DEAD

1 LordBusiness - Roleblocker with possibility of re-entry into the game
2 Mac - Paranoid Bodyguard that also rolestops target

3 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) - Janitored, scumread for me

Town (Strongest->Weakest)

:

1 Yggdra Union
2 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
4 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
5 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
6 Cupcake Panda
7 PeregrineV
8 orcinus_theoriginal
9 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
10 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)


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11 Clyton - Could be scum by POE but not an actual scumread

Scum (Strongest->Weakest)

:
12 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
13 AngryPidgeon

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

COULD Mastin be town? That would fit in with his role.

But then I look at Pie's confidence in him flipping scum and it restores my own confidence and feels like it is the right push all along.

This game is killing me.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Pie, tell me not to waffle and that is the right push.

[pieguyn]

I'm like ~almost~ positive mastin is scum. if only it were that easy, this entire game would be a breeze

like even if we toss out all the reasoning for her scum, I have 8 townreads elsewhere. they have a 1/2 chance of being scum just by pure POE at this point. throw all the extra crap in there and boom

why is mastin's role giving you reservations about her scum? like I really don't get it. there is no reason to assume any role is anything in a Cabd game. am I missing something?

btw, I'm almost positive Nacho is town but I want more to absolutely verify it. mostly because there's always the possibility he's manipulating his meta to get a townread from me - I never underestimate good scum players, even though I've never had scum explicitly target me before

[pieguyn]

TOWN
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

MAYBE TOWN
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
15 PeregrineV

LEAVING
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
14 Cupcake Panda
16 Clyton

if mastin isn't scum then figure out a 3 person scumteam from my leftover reads

btw, if mastin actually is town, I like fox and hound for scum. mostly because cephrir WK'ing me and trying to lynch mastin is exactly the crap he pulled in xenosaga. but I'm reading DV's posts and they just feel really natural and transparent and good feeling. I don't see DV as scum here after gundam SEED

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

YOUR READS LOOK JUST LIKE MINE!

So, you are agreed that Breakfast is in the top category?

And yeah, the top list makes perfect sense.

A 3 person scumteam from the leftover reads doesn't make any sense.

AP would have to be one obviously. But who else? Nacho-Ffery-Tammy being the others feels increasingly stupid.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I guess that's a go to push the fuck out of a Mastin lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

COULD Mastin be town? That would fit in with his role.

But then I look at Pie's confidence in him flipping scum and it restores my own confidence and feels like it is the right push all along.

This game is killing me.

Never base your reads on pie's confidence.