Tales of You (Endgame)

[PeregrineV]

So we didn't play heroes of comedy together?
marketplace 2?
hpatpl?
marketplace 3?
board games?
gundam seed?
holy shit if you remember me from anything goes and have anything approximating a scum read on me here you really really really don't know how to meta at all and should stop?

I mean because then you should at least understand my playstyle varies and not be just comparing it to some two-year old game.

marketplace 2 I already noticed a difference that threw me off: 1832 1909 2661-

" I think part of my issue with pere is kind of self absorbed as I can't see why he'd have me as null with the need to do further meta research when we've played a few games together and he's seen me as scum and town. I don't think I've been overly active this game and shining brightly like a beacon of innocence though but it still kinda reads off."

At this point you were picking up the whole "How someone reads me determines how I read them" thing.
But we worked through it.

HPATPL- You were SK. But even after you admitted it, I could see your town mindset scumhunting (you shot scum). That was one reason I was OK with leashing you. 1639

Marketplace 3 You were a hydra.

Board Games- You were a hydra

Gundam Seed (hydra) 370

[PeregrineV]

Peregrinnies - why were you surprised at me being snarky???

There's no reason for it. I'm asking questions because I want answers. You know that, why would town-you snark on me?

I already answered this. and this is why discussing things with you is a complete waste of time and is problematic because you don't fucking listen when anyone tells you anything. You annoyed me. You're first very first accusation was woefully incorrect. I pointed it out because it was not only completely incorrect but fucking stupid. You acted all high and mighty by going all gotcha by posting everything I had mentioned about the neighborhood when congratufuckinglations I had mentinoned the neighborhood more than fucking once though you said I didn't. You continued to ask me stupid fucking questions.

You are reminding me of hte board game when you asked the most moronic questions ever regarding our "role fishing" and refused to actually accept our answers.

This is a repeating fucking theme in every fucking game. If you could just for once fucking listen to a goddamn answer someone gives you.

you know what. i'm stepping away.

OHM. OHM. OHM.

Maybe I'll come back this.

[The Fox and the Hound]

I foolishly decided to do my isoing in alphabetical order, got halfway through the sheer volume that is AP, and drowned. Will try again tomorrow.
-Ceph

[Titan]

I foolishly decided to do my isoing in alphabetical order, got halfway through the sheer volume that is AP, and drowned. Will try again tomorrow.
-Ceph

Is there a reason you didn't catch up in the game from the last point you read and decided o jump to Isos instead?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Yes. I feel like I need to reassess everything on account of lack of scumreads.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Perhaps I can be a little more selective and skip reviewing the select few for whom I don't feel that's necessary. Off the top of my head that's you and JSU. I guess those are my "would throw game" townreads.

[CupcakePanda]

@Carbon-

Also going to look back at your Cupcake=town reason. Because, yeah.

OK found it.

Okay, so I read the wall (skimmed a few parts), I am not going to do a piece by piece response of everything in it although I'll post general thoughts on stuff that's useful.

Explanation of my read on Cupcake for PeregrineV

:

Here's the baseline I have for Katsuki (Cupcake) as scum: Katsuki is very good at predicting the ebb and flow of wagons. He can generally tell when a wagon takes off and when it won't. For the most part, he knows where the town herd will go before it actually happens. It is a useful skill as scum and Katsuki as scum is known to go with the flow or precede the flow if he can predict it. See Anything Goes which you were in for example. I also have played a game with Katsuki as scum (Death Note) where I noticed the same tendencies.

His play here is far away from his scum play and actually matches the against the grain nature of his town play. I'd expect scum-Cupcake to vote us, or the Fox and the Hound at various points but he doesn't. He resolutely stayed on MastinSSK for the entire time despite signs of the movement of the town herd in various directions. I didn't want to reveal this at first because if he was scum, I'd rather he not know how I was reading him until I got enough data to make a determination. It is nearly the end of D1 and I am confident at this point that he is showing no inclination to move with the herd (arguably, his vote is in Mastin who was at times the biggest wagon BUT he kept his vote on Mastin when lots of people townread him and other wagons were popping). He is playing

nothing

like he was in Anything Goes, do you agree?

My "scum are among" group isn't a list of players that I am scumreading but rather a list of players that I wasn't townreading. Leftovers. Null and scum reads. All POE'd from my town pile. I at first didn't want to add Katsuki to my town pile because I had too little info. But now I am happy to do it. And yeah, he didn't post anything other than trolly stuff but it was more of the lack of opportunistic wagon hopping that has him as town. I had a feeling he was town even towards the beginning but it wasn't strong and I was holding off waiting to see if he does anything scummy. He didn't.

~ F-16

Perhaps you can offer a word to CupcakePanda that if hydras aren't his thing, another player may be better suited for the position he currently occupies.

Hydras not being my thing and 180 pages of wallspam are entirely seperate matters. Considering that I was one of the first players to hydra incessantly...

[CupcakePanda]

Actually this game needs more wagons.

Unvote, Vote: Mafiatin

[Titan]

It k katsuki.

Pere can be troll scum and we can eat town cupcakes and have sugar highs!

[Titan]

Also that's a good vote too

[CupcakePanda]

I probably should revive my reputation of being wagon happy. It seems much needed.

and yeah pere is scum who needs to die

[CarbonFiber]

What if Mastin's actually town though and Nacho is using the suspicion on Mastin to get a lynch?

AP would be scum in that case discrediting everything Mastin says but wanting to look good on a Mastin townflip.

It would fit in with Mastin's role at least and explain some of the movements that have been going around the game. AP insisting that Mastin/AP bussing is a bad conclusion for me to draw might mean that he knows it is the wrong conclusion. I doubt scum would show so blatantly in thread that they got all bent out of shape when correctly called as bussing.

It is probably less likely than Mastin-scum, Nacho-town but still.

It is 1:30 AM and I am rambling. I should go to bed.

[MastinSSK]

So I had a thought, before I begin reading the new stuff. I posted an "/AP theory" about the neighborhood being all-scum, but that got me thinking:
AP, well.
AP has...kinda pushed them all. He's pushing F-16 now, and has been. He's kinda sorta pushed Yggdra, though that's ambiguous. I seem to remember him having pushed DesBRO, too.
I know that he's technically also pushed Kagura/Nacho, but my memory of what his push is like is that it was different from how he pushed the others, and that the timing and way it was done were different.

This is not a thought that I've actually checked, but need to throw it out all the same.

/need to read 176-current.

[CarbonFiber]

Mastin, is it completely impossible that Muffin as scum had a "townread" on you and helped you make all the pushes you made so that he could look good to you? What makes you so certain that they were town?

Your unmoving read on them is one of the things that concern me since I feel pretty good about them scum for the most part. I don't think their attacks on me, JSU, Fox, or Titan were at all convincing. I didn't like their push on me after claiming miller and later retraction, the challenge to gladiate JSU, the response to Fox's Disney vote on them, and Nati's post to Tammy were wierd and the way he approached his read on her didn't make sense.

[Red Gyarados]

I'll spoiler this one too I guess.

Spoiler:

I went back and crossed CF's earlier reasoning for thinking PV is town with PV's iso and I can see why CF is townreading the slot (particularly not being useless, trying to be useful in a game filled with noise, following up with the questions he asks, and trying to sort out his reads that have clearly gone against the grain). Although it does seem weird for a player to take a hard analytical look at a slot like PV's like this, this is exactly something I'd expect from Falcon after the micro I played with him (where he was arguably hard townreading the two lynchbait that game). It does strike some interest for both of them to be townreading each other early on (especially if one of them is scum), but it's highly likely that they're just both townreading each other (and this is what I'm leaning towards right now). I also really liked PV's interactions with Beliffery on page 165. It's like he completely disagrees with Ffery's current approach and wants her to be more productive in chasing down scumreads (and it's a sentiment I share with him). I also liked him expressing his concerns about the Xillia neighborhood not progressing as he'd hoped and dropping them both out of his townreads.

@PV: What are your thoughts about the people in the first neighborhood? I remember you asking who was in it but I don't remember what your reads looked like (other than CF probably being town).

*Apparently Nacho replaced his hydra slot. I'm not letting Notty replace out. I'm dragging him to the end with me. I also need to go back and look at Bork's posting because I don't remember anything that leaped out as being super obvtown to me.

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
15 PeregrineV

*grumble, grumble*
The name of the six change, that I have six does not. Realized that I eliminated Red Gyarados a bit hastily. I have reasons for thinking they're town and reasons for thinking they might be scum, thus their presence. Still trying to figure it out, but that might be a bit more spam than needed, 'specially since working on the Ballad of Tales will help with this and people responding to things I've said can probably already help on that front.

I might be getting distracted by the shiney in eliminating Fox/Hound here and having my vote on Nacho (and if so, zMuff/Nati, I do apologize), but this is something that I need to pursue right here and now to figure out. It can't wait.

If you're town then two of those reads are absolutely bad. Two others are iffy.

I'm assuming the absolutely bad one is yours (Orci is either bad/iffy). Which two are the ones you agree with? I'm assuming one is Kagura but what's the other one? AP?

...Which you might think is casting suspicion onto you. And vaguely it is, but I'm also not discarding the possibility of Red Gyarados being scum, for a very specific ~reason~ that I'm really not sure if I should elaborate on or not.

Elaborate. I want to know. Especially since it's a very specific reason.

A scum-you? Is full of misreps and snark. Starts out strongly and slowly lets the cracks show.

Where has he misrepped anyone?

I'm actually pretty weirded out over the concern about my neighborhood though the other neighborhood is of no concern, especially since "we were town reads" supposedly. If pere is scum there is more than op likely scum in that neighborhood.

He actually expressed concern over the first neighborhood first, trying to verify who was in it, etc. He really hasn't pushed them further than that though, but JSU and CF have been fairly active outside of the neighborhood for a while now.

I think he did town slip though. We don't have a quick topic for our neighborhood, but the answer he have me about Clyton thinking that we had a lurker was for a quick topic. On the assumption that cabd is using ms private topics for everything, pere giving me that answer thinking I was in a quick topic means it's likely he's not in one because then he would have known that you can't just look at unique views and why I didn't understand why he thought there was a lurker. So, if a member of the scum team could verify if you have a quick topic that would be very helpful thanks!

I don't know what any of this means, especially with regards to PV's alignment.

CF kind of clears it up later and I've already used the private topics. It's just meh. I'll think on it but it doesn't really affect my read on PV in any way.

Uhg.

This is a really stupid, impulsive thing to do. Massively anti-town. But I keep on thinking things through, and I see AP/PV/Nacho as viable, but not so sure about it being Stalin or orc. And the best idea I'd have for a fourth given that would be Red Gyarados. Yet the only way I can properly explain that is by explaining exactly what I feel about them, why I think that they're quite possibly scum, in a lolCabd game. Guh. I've gone this far with it, so fuck it, I'm going to explain it, anti-townness be damned, because it shows where I've been coming from on them.

Red Gyarados 'crumbed vig D1. I actually didn't catch it--Rancid did. They warned Rancid not to gladiate DesBRO, and that an attempt to would never go through. Vig being a guess for their role is basically one of the only reasons I'm considering that Rancid could have been vigged. But I also think about their role, and that, well...they might have had a dayshot, perhaps multiple, because SOMEHOW, they knew my claim before I had made it. Brian Skies (I think) said I was a "mafia treestump" WELL before I had claimed. My vote being disabled was known; that I was bulletproof was not. So I put two and two together, of them being a vig who shot me during the day, and could shoot Rancid during the night.

Should be a townclaim, of course. But I keep on looking at the kills N1, and I keep on thinking again and again that they both look like scum. And a scum vig? (Especially limited shots.) Is exactly the kind of thing I can see Cabd putting into the game, because people aren't going to think scum can control two kills during the night. That's why they've been going in and out of my scum list a lot. Because I've been thinking about what they likely have done and did last night, and also thinking about the targets last night and what they flipped and why they were like that. Because if Red Gyarados was a town vig, vigging Rancid...why would Rancid be the one janned?

Basically, my head's been going over it all day. And I know that revealing this is massively stupid, but I really need to say it all the same. I've ultimately been trying to read Red Gyarados not off of what I've speculated their role to be, but off of their play, yet even then...it's iffy. I simply...don't know for sure, yet this massive possibility has been such that I simply can't let it go unsaid.

Okay, first of all, where the hell did we crumb vig? I don't remember ever doing it because I'm not a vig. Also, why would I shoot someone I was townreading yesterday?

Secondly, me calling you a 'mafia treestump' was a joke. Your vote was crossed off and in red. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you're essentially a treestump at that point in time.

Finally, why are you insinuating that I shot you when I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that you activated it yourself (maybe, I'd have to check up on that)?

how do you know rancid caught their VIG crumb?

Because after they made the threat, Rancid essentially went, "Duly noted". I'd have to track down the exact spot in their iso, but it basically went,
"We're gladiating DespBRO."
"You try that, you're never going to get it through."
"...Duly noted."
(And me, after that, going, "...Oh." Silently. Since I of course wasn't going to highlight that I caught it.)

I actually have no idea what you're talking about here and would need it to be pointed out for me. Also, I remember Kagura opposing the gladiate pretty heavily and am wondering if you have me confused with him.

oh hi there mastin I bet there are two scum in the Abysm, wanna guess who?

It's probably not GiF, and if you even think about trying to lynch that slot you're not making it to Night 1.

Unlike muffin, I like PV because he's easy to figure out the alignment of, you just have to wait til day four.

By then if he's town, a vig might just shoot him.

Found it! I think, anyway.

Apparently, I misremembered and Rancid didn't point it out, but *I* certainly noticed it. I dunno if it was here or earlier, butyeah. I saw a vig-'crumb, and townned them for it.

The first part doesn't imply anything about me being a vig because I said he wouldn't make it to Night 1 (unless you think I was crumbing Dayvig). I was actually implying that I wouldn't just join his wagon, I'd push it.

The second part is me making a slight at my other hydra head's play in Street Racers (where he shot PV and PV was the town cop).

fery: we could 1v1 mastin/ap today

Mastin/Kagura. Make it happen.

This post is terrifying inside my head.

Holy shit.

Like, I can't even.

I haven't read it, but I'm aware of what Falcon is capable of as a player (he meta-dove me pretty successfully in the micro I played with him even though we were butting heads the entire time). But I thought meta-diving is something he's able to replicate as scum?

Look less at the content and more at what he's actually trying to do.

Open the mailbox. Pray there's not an explosive device in it.

For myself, I'm willing to lynch Mastin come deadline.

Not surprised by this considering he's been your only scumread since who knows how long.

And you're not even voting him.

I feel really similar to ffery to be fair. I mean theoretically I should be reading mastin's posts closely/interacting with her so I can either decide that I agree with Ceph's recent town thoughts about her or confirm my scumread so I can better discuss the read with Ceph, but am I actually going to do that? I don't think so.

I think with mastin it's gotten to the point (at least in my mind) where there's just SO MUCH posting and a lot of it to me feels like what I would expect from scum, but a lot of it also feels like it could be from town and makes me doubt my read. Being my almost-zero-confidence self I don't know whether or not I should be trusting that, and with all the conflicting content, trying to figure out whether it's scum faking town-ness but slipping up at times, or just me calling things scummy that aren't, has become such a chore that I'm pretty done with it myself. Obviously the confidence thing doesn't apply to everyone, but not really being up to interacting with Mastin is completely understandable imo and I think some of the above may be reasons for others as well.

Ceph has other obligations at the moment and I won't push a vote without him unless I feel that it becomes necessary, but where I am at is that I have a legitimate scumread on Cupcake which I'd probably be more ok with lynching now than I was when I voted, but I'd also be quite willing to lynch Mastin. Obviously Ceph thinks Mastin's town though and I haven't heard back from him about the former so I don't know where we'll end up.

Notty thinks you're extremely town in your interactions with RBD/Mastin, but I really don't like your waffling and refusal to move the game forward in a meaningful way.

And I'm pretty sure most of your contributions today thus far has been 'I think Mastin could be town' or 'I think Mastin could be scum.' What do your other reads look like?

UNVOTE:

I like this unvote but I'm sticking to the Kagura wagon.

AtE won't save him from Red Gyarados' bloodlust this time.

Why did you flop onto Nacho despite them being confirmed-would-game-throw levels of town?

? I don't understand this statement.

Are you referring to his earlier reads? If so, I'll need to go back and take a look at how his read flopped.

Lets not cut corners. Scum drop fake towntells all the time

Do you think Mastin has been trying to drop fake towntells in this game? I can think of at least two instances off the top of my head where this could have occurred in the game thread.

You can see # of unique views at the bottom.

?

Anyone who calls F-16 town is either scum or in my "ignore this" book for the rest of the game.

DUDE. Can we compromise on F16 today please?

No? And I don't like where you're going with that typo.

It looks from these two pages like PV is scum.

...are you literally posting an iso of mine from two freaking years ago to use as meta.

Are you? Are you serious?

You're asking me stupid questions that are already answered or are such common freaking sense I have no idea why you ask them. I also have no freaking idea why I'm continuing to engage with you because conversations with you go nowhere because you either have no ability or actual desire to see where someone else is coming from that it's like talking to a brick wall. Do you remember our discussion in the Board Game? You know the role fishing one? Where I explained our thought process and motivation a million times and you still didn't get it. OH and hey guess what Porkens did misinterpret his role information which is what we were trying to solidify.

NO WAIT SERIOUSLY ARE YOU POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META AS YOUR BASIS FOR READING ME WHEN THE BOARD GAME GAME IS LESS THAN A MONTH OLD AND I'M ACTUALLY MORE ENGAGED IN THIS GAME THAN IN THAT OTHER GAME THAT JUST ENDED AND YOU'RE POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META.

Hmmmm? He could be. Tammy, on the other hand, looks pretty town in their interactions.

Also, 2-year old meta is really cold meta (I don't even like meta that much to begin with because I don't know how to use it).

*Fighting urge to sheep Nacho. It's really hard and I do it every game (even when I'm scumreading him) and I'll need to consult with my other head because I still think he could be scum.

But hey play to your Cassandra hilt all you want. Everybody else in the game can see the damned obvious that I'm town but no you're probably right I'm probably scum because my neighborhood's been a little inactive, though we have discussed some things when we have time, and I claimed to someone when I didn't have a full town read on them.

Where the fuck has Clyton been? He seems to have completely disappeared since getting his neighborhood. It's skeevy.

Belisarius: What is your read on Brian Skies and why? Have you talked about it with Ffery at all?

Between the two heads, why am I the one being singled out? Also, I want an opinion from you since you're the one who brought it up.

I still have less than zero thoughts on Panda's alignment.

Neither Notty nor I have anything to say about Cupcake's alignment. Notty just finds it weird that he's not getting sorted when he supposedly has 'black/white' meta. Neither of us know how to read him though and he hasn't been contributing anything towards a town wincon (and seems pretty proud about it).

Yes and if you read Anytihng Goes, or any mastin game, you'd know that the odds of mastin bussing me to hell and back with us being scum/scum are reallllly low, bordering on not happening ever.

Mastin is a self-admitted player who says she changes up her meta semi-frequently. She also said the same thing about you.

Also, Mastin was trying to get you lynched pretty hard in Anything Goes and you scumread her and accused her of spreading smoke. Do you think Mastin as town would be that wrong at reading you this game?

I very rarely town block. Very rarely.

Oh really? Neither do I. But I was completely planning on filling out Cabd's application to join a townblock with you in Empire's Large before I replaced out (and I had planned on doing it within the first 25 pages or so). I'm kind of sad to know that it would never have worked out for me.

Their whole aura. Especially how they're treating me.

I'm actually extremely bugged about this and don't know if I've expressed it yet. But somebody in your group needs to die.

I've reached the top of page 175. I'm extremely pleased with myself and will now be rewarding myself by proceeding to not give a shit about this game for the next 12 or so hours.

[Titan]

Nati's post to Tammy were wierd and the way he approached his read on her didn't make sense.

I feel like an omgusing jerk, but this this is what I keep coming back to with them. Natis read and post to me just didn't make sense.

Also lazy it's like 3:30 and I'm past delirious.

[Titan]

Um am I the only sane or insane person?

I thought pbs thoughts on my neighborhood were atrocious.

In order to drop town reads on both ur slots, you'd have to think I was stupid enough as scum to ask for a neighborhood really unlikely to have many others in it and think I asked for a neighborhood with my scum partner and then was too dumb to at least make up neighborhood interactions. Like I mean w.t.f. I'm not a fuckign moron.

Think of me what you want but I'm not dumb.

[Titan]

Also gods I hated Peres interaction with ffery.

Ugh

[MastinSSK]

Yes, but still a scum pool all the same. My posting is more akin to how I'd expect a town-you to be handling a scumlist with those names.

[Mastin is strawmanning.]

I fail to see how. You had a POE list, used akin to a scum list. I had a similarly-formatted list, yet my handling of it was completely and entirely different.

So what of those 6 Poe scumreads (Cupcake, Yggdra, Kagura, PV, F-16, Red Gary) doesn't make sense?

Again not the point; my point isn't that the names make no sense at all, but rather, how you've handled them overall simply doesn't seem right. I wish the proper words were there to explain that. Though that said? If you want to get into reads that don't make sense in general...Cupcake you can say is anti-town, but you can't say is scum. Yggdra is arguably the same. F-16 as a scumread makes basically zero sense, either. The only three names there that even remotely are plausible are Nacho, PV, and Red Gyarados.

You have been arguing that you DONT scumread me as scum which is a lie.

Okay, better wording. I don't lie about my read. If I say I scumread you, I actually have somehow legitimately scumread you. Otherwise, I'm forced into a townread as scum.

Just saying, you conveniently forgot to bring up that you-scum has 100% motivation to scum kill RBD in this game.

Like fucking hell I would. Rancid was defending me. He wasn't going to suddenly stop defending me D2. He townread my SLOT in Paranoia. SLOT. Not me. (So did shos, and so did MTD. Part of the reason I won the damn game.) It's actually the same thing that happened in Too Many Heads. He had a minor townread on me...turned into a scumread as soon as I started posting more. That? That is

exactly

what would have happened if he saw my posting continue.

This game?

It's not been my slot.
It's been me.
Throughout the whole fucking game.

Not a single ping. Not a single shred of doubt in either head's mind. An absolute 100% that I'm town, above all their other reads. Why the fuck would I kill that? Okay. Maybe you could make the argument that I killed him for the wifom value. (It's a lousy fucking argument, but let's run with it.)
WHY THE FUCK.
WOULD I HAVE MY SCUMTEAM.
JANITOR THE FUCKING FLIP.

When Rancid-deadtown is a MASSIVE tactical advantage to this hypothetical scum-me, and a MASSIVE inconvenience to a hypothetical scum-me?

I need to think more on my Mastin read but I am not seeing the blogging as something Mastin can't fake.

Quite correct. I can post a lot of stream-of-conscious stuff as scum, ESPECIALLY when lacking daychat. (Since daychat = post thoughts in scum QT.) Still is a general trend, though. As town, I tend to empty my thoughts into the thread, especially if I don't have another place to dump them. (Technically I have a QT, but it's seen basically zero usage at all.)

I felt Mastin's initial attack on me was incredibly manipulative and scummy and that feeling still hasn't gone away but I am not as sure as I was before.

Well, I felt your initial buddying on Tammy was incredibly manipulative and scummy, and that your continued attacks on me and Rancid were scummy later-on, but I came around on those eventually.

As to what I hope to accomplish, I want all my townreads to get on the same page and agree on lynching someone that we genuinely all agree is scum, and preferably not have a repeat of D1 with bad deadline wagons.

*points to third page of iso*

This is basically what I've been trying to do as well. You've seen my townreads, and also know my scumreads. Essentially, AP and Nacho are the top two, and AP's in essentially most players' lynch lists, but never being voting by any of them. (In contrast to me, who has at times been voted by literally every fucking player alive. No, seriously. Name a single player alive who at a point in the game has not voted me. I can't think of any.)

[Titan]

Crap what else did I want to respond to.

Clyton has been absent from thread and neighborhood, but it's nothing to worry about right now.

No, I don't town block, but I do try to work with town reads.

I don't think pere comes put looking town at all but I'm biased and I know he has no fucking clue how play. Nacho will just say I'm omgusing and ignore it though, like he did mastin day one though look at him now.

[Titan]

*how to meta

Otherwise that looks mean, I'm not mean, just a bitch.

[Titan]

Mastin are you ignoring nachos push on you?

[Titan]

Though bro - still think pere is town?

[MastinSSK]

For me to buy that this is coming from mastin-town, I would have to buy that mastin, constantly and reanalyzing and reading posts and apparently playing at the top of her towngame goes from unshakeable town to scum on me when I imply she might possibly be scum (even though it was mentioned that I was considering her as scum earlier in the game but she somehow missed it) because she believes there is either a town!Nacho that reads her right or a scum!Nacho that reads her wrong, and her thinking wrt that is completely binary.

YOU ARE USING THINGS THAT I DID AFTER YOUR CHANGED READ TO JUSTIFY YOUR ORIGINAL CHANGE IN READ.

I have been constantly reanalyzing and rereading posts. And when I saw something that I know. KNOW. Doesn't come from a town-Nacho? You can bet your ass that I'm not going to miss it. Yes, I glazed over the references to your read on me. I caught F-16 (I think it was him) having mentioned it, and responded with ellipses. It might have been mentioned before that, too, and I brushed it off, since again, it wasn't from the source. It was essentially a second-hand talker, a talker who I knew would have biases, would have hesitancy in using exact wording from the QT, and thus, as a result, would not be conveying the accurate info. Or so I thought.

And then you essentially come in and don't say it was an overexaggeration...but an underexaggeration, and that your read on me is actually STRONGER than the implication had been. If this was some super-secret read that there was a hint at? Fuck yes, I could see it coming from a town-you. But there wasn't. No interaction. No hint. Nothing. Except suddenly, "oh, yeah, scumread, but not sure".

BEYOND THAT. There's your stance on me. Your stance on me couldn't have been a scumread, because you fucking derailed the lynch on me, onto others. That's not something you do for someone who's so much as null; it has to be at least a townread. And then! Then there's the real kicker.

Your neighbors have talked about your reads disagreeal with them

. Overnight. They said that you were basically fighting their reads. Not coming to a consensus. You were the odd man out, of the neighborhood.

...Yet now, on Day Two, you not only are blending in, but reversing around to having their same take on me?
No. No fucking way.

I haven't a great track record reading her as of late

Yes you have. You've correctly read me in every damn game we've had, recently. Last time I can remember you being wrong? Was Mindreader Mafia. A fucking year ago. When I was specifically manipulating you through your role. That's literally it. Every game since then. From Walking Dead to Xeno. You've had me correctly read. Your read on me isn't instantaneously correct, like AP's and zMuffinman's are. But they ARE correct, eventually.

She's going on rants about dreams she had last night.

Rambles, thankyouverymuch, and they accomplished a very specific thing. They let you know exactly where my mind has come from, and also contained a readchange in the form of PV. Furthermore, I HAVE reached out, to just about everyone.

Do you think your scumbuddies would risk themselves to defend you at this point?

Unless I specifically told them not to?
Fuck yes they would. A Mastin who is deadweight on the scumteam may be worthless. A Mastin who is basically spearheading scum's efforts, making up plans, manipulating the town, dividing them, and basically every fucking thing I've been accused of having done as scum? Fuck yeah, they'd save that, because there'd be no player more valuable to them. And furthermore, because of how active I've been, they could post that way and get away with it, easily maintaining that read legitimately.

Do you really think that I'm going to buy that you posting a bunch is a towntell when we pretty much destroyed effort =/= town together a very very long time ago?

Vaguely? Yes.
Read any scumgame of mine recently.
Last time I got this active as scum?
...Well, I've never been this active at all. Last time I got even close?
Anything Goes. You might make a case for Attack on Titan, but I really wasn't. You could also make cases for Too Many Heads and the lylo of Paranoia, but, well...those were LYLO. (Which of course I'm going to be more active in.) Other than that? Nope, not really, can't say that I have been.

I suppose all of this posting is not trying to figure you out.

DAMN FUCKING RIGHT IT'S NOT.
It's saying I'm scum and assuming I'm scum and building a case for me being scum. It's not a reach-out, not an attempt to understand, not an attempt to figure things out, not an attempt to work with me; it is explicitly going against me and explaining WHY you're going against me.

[Yulia Jue]

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