NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Plessiez]

It's day 4. Deadline for the day is

May 3rd, 12:58

. That means you have (expired on 2014-05-03 12:58:35).

Vote Count 4.9

PeregrineV [5 votes] (Egg, TheWayItEnds, DeasVail, Damon_Gant, Snork)

[L-1]

Damon_Gant [3 votes] (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, Six)
ThAdmiral [2 votes] (SnowStorm, penguin_alien)

1 player is not voting

: {fferyllt}

With

11

players alive it takes

6

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: ThAd

With 22 hours left I'm not going to be able to do much more in the way of serious ISO analysis. Sorry I didn't get more done during the time I've had toDay.

Snork, I'd like for ThAd to be in my shoot pool if he's not lynched today.

What would that do to your gunsmith choices?

[PeregrineV]

I'll look as much as I can at the last 3.

[fferyllt]

I'll look as much as I can at the last 3.

Since we disagree so fundamentally on the last one I did, I'm kinda meh about this. :/

[Snork]

Snork, I'd like for ThAd to be in my shoot pool if he's not lynched today.

What would that do to your gunsmith choices?

Fferyllt:

Will PV's flip change anything in the pools? It wouldn't really for me as it's fairly PoE at this point.

You can have ThAd.

I'll look in {Egg/PA/

X

}
That leaves you with {

Y

, Snow, SiX}

Where

X

and

Y

depend on the lynch:
If PV is lynched, my X will be DG, and your Y will be ThAd.
If ThAd is lynched, my X will be DG, and your Y will be PV.
If DG is lynched, my X will be PV and your Y will be ThAd.

Does that look ok or would you like to trade someone else?

[fferyllt]

That looks good. All three will get a thorough ISO with known scum before I decide where to shoot.

[Snork]

I'm having a hard time deciding between ThAd/PV for today's lynch. PV's latest activity and analysis looks pretty decent, though the DG analysis seems rather biased and rose-colored if that makes any sense.

I've had serious doubts about ThAd being scum as well, beginning on D2, especially after AP's flip, but I can't figure out if his switch on Nero D2 was a town reaction to being pushed incorrectly or badly, or if it was scum attempting to discredit him. Nero's flip doesn't help me decide.

I'm happy to follow your vote, Fferyllt, especially since he's all but disappeared from here except to vote.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

[PeregrineV]

I'll look as much as I can at the last 3.

Since we disagree so fundamentally on the last one I did, I'm kinda meh about this. :/

Yeah, but I'm merely pointing them out. I can and have been fooled before by reading stuff that isn't there.

Do you want me to continue?

[fferyllt]

I'll look as much as I can at the last 3.

Since we disagree so fundamentally on the last one I did, I'm kinda meh about this. :/

Yeah, but I'm merely pointing them out. I can and have been fooled before by reading stuff that isn't there.

Do you want me to continue?

I do.

[PeregrineV]

Null/very weak town:

TWIE,

DG,
Dead null: Egg
Null/very weak scum:

Nero

, DV
Probably scum:

RM, aptil

Scum:

ThAd

These need a whole heck of a lot more explanation.

ThAd needs more context. Rach is always a low-contributor in games; you have to read the mindset, not the content. Aptil is a newb, who I have a decent ability to read. Nothing about BPC looks like scum to me. Nero and DV also don't look like scum, 'specially not Nero. (I can read Nero fairly well, and this is his townplay.) The DG/pisskop reads also need explanation.

Not much ThAd stuff, but first that stands out is Mastin pointing out

Snork's

"bad read" of ThAD. If ThAd were town in the scumpile, I see no point in Mastin trying to "explain in context". Possibly, to maintain the reasons for his ThAd=town read, but why even mention this post at all? Also, no attack on the Damon_Gant townread given.

[penguin_alien]

Remind me why SiX is in the shoot pool?

[Damon_Gant]

Hang on a second.

Also, no attack on the Damon_Gant townread given.

The DG/pisskop reads also need explanation.

Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying PV?

As usual at the conclusion of the day I find myself saying that I'm happy where my vote is, but I will move it to *insert other wagon here* (in this case ThAd) if necessary. I will certainly be about close to the deadline.

[Snork]

Remind me why SiX is in the shoot pool?

The pools consist of the non-clears. It's better than telling scum exactly who we will be targeting. Would you agree with that?

[Snork]

PV's 3209 makes sense to me too. It's a good point.

[PeregrineV]

Remind me why SiX is in the shoot pool?

SiX should be sacrificing himself to protect Snork, who can get another read.

[PeregrineV]

Hang on a second.

Also, no attack on the Damon_Gant townread given.

The DG/pisskop reads also need explanation.

Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying PV?

As usual at the conclusion of the day I find myself saying that I'm happy where my vote is, but I will move it to *insert other wagon here* (in this case ThAd) if necessary. I will certainly be about close to the deadline.

Mastin wants an explanation of why snork lists you & TWIE as town, but does not provide one on his own. He does, however try to explain why the scumreads are wrong. 3 of those flipped town. One was cleared as No-gun. The other is ThAd.

If those were all actual town being misread as scum, there would be no reason to Mastin to disagree with it. He could more easily say, "Yes, I agree", furthering Snork's scumreads on town players.

[fferyllt]

Doc Holliday/Pisskop/TWIE

Just a passing comment on Doc Holliday - I think I have one game with him and IIRC he was an SK. His slot went through a ton of replacements and I'm pretty sure he wasn't town but not enough to go back and look. It was your large normal, Pere.

Anyway, his posts come off with a ton more stance than what he posted in that game. Reading them results in a mild town sense.

Pisskop put more into the game. I like his early posts, especially his approach to bjc which is pretty much where I would have been if I'd been playing at that point...I think. Hard to say as a replace-in.

410 - the read support looks townminded. His suspicion of Yates looks genuine.

424 - this post reminds me that in the first game I played with Pisskop his thought process and sentence structure was MUCH harder to follow. He was town. One of the things I noted when I meta'd him in that game was that in his only completed game at the time his posts looked much more thought out as scum (the completed game). So his posting here doesn't have that scattered feel to it. It could be an artifact of computer vs phoneposting.

437 is good analysis. I think this is a relatively early mastin-scum read (overall in the game thread iirc but I'm mostly reading the thread in ISOs)

465 looks like way more effort than one scum player would put into fabricating a read on another. I'm tempted to just stop right here and call them town.

471 feels like a good, confident pushback to pere.

476 this walkback of his impression of Mister Rogers also looks town.

Loved his pushback to Zdenek. "get bent or get a case" sounds town as fuck to me.

857 - last reads list.

I srsly want to call the slot town solely on the basis of pisskop's tone and stances.

1921 doesn't look like scum-scum interaction with AP to me.

[post]1977[/post] neither does this with yates. Given both AP and yates were pushing him this looks like opportunistic scum smelling town blood.


2080 - the main thing I don't like about this post is that there's no mention of yates in it. Otherwise it feels like a decent reads list with enough against the grain thinking that it gives me townfeels.

2117, 2159- more yates interaction that doesn't look scum-scum.

2161 building on that and finishing with an AP vote. Holy shit guys, 2/3 of the scum team was on this guy. Look at this vs their interactions with each other.

whole lot of posts I like but am not going to comment on because I hate walling

2597 coupled with 2616 just looks awesome to me. He had no scum motivated reason to pirouette off a town lurker wagon and onto the Mastin wagon.

Read through the rest of his ISO but I'm not going to comment on it except that Pere pushing this slot makes Pere look scummy as fuck, except I've seen Pere's scumhunting go utterly weird places before.

Pere, I'd really like for you to explain how CONTEXTUALLY you could possibly see the interactions between this slot and known scum as scum-scum.

[fferyllt]

Remind me why SiX is in the shoot pool?

I missed the significance here.

Future gamestate changes should take care of whether SiX or I need to be of concern. He shouldn't be in either pool IMO.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, I'd really like for you to explain how CONTEXTUALLY you could possibly see the interactions between this slot and known scum as scum-scum.

Snork cleared TWIE as no-gun. So I could do the above, but it'd be kind of a waste of time.

If a no-gun player is some GodFather or mafia doc role, then my choice for it would be DV.

[fferyllt]

Pere, I'd really like for you to explain how CONTEXTUALLY you could possibly see the interactions between this slot and known scum as scum-scum.

Snork cleared TWIE as no-gun. So I could do the above, but it'd be kind of a waste of time.

If a no-gun player is some GodFather or mafia doc role, then my choice for it would be DV.

Your push on him prior to that revelation though. Just wow.

I know we approach the game really differently based on past experience. But still.

[Damon_Gant]

Mastin wants an explanation of why snork lists you & TWIE as town, but does not provide one on his own. He does, however try to explain why the scumreads are wrong. 3 of those flipped town. One was cleared as No-gun. The other is ThAd.

If those were all actual town being misread as scum, there would be no reason to Mastin to disagree with it. He could more easily say, "Yes, I agree", furthering Snork's scumreads on town players.

Ok, I now get what you're saying. It's a fair point.

[fferyllt]

So, I've been trying to figure whether I'd buy a scum doc plus 2 town who would result in 3 false reads for the gunsmith makes sense. I'm leaning no but it's a very slight no.

Which is why I wanted to develop a read on the gunsmith inno player. If there is a scum-doc, I seriously doubt it's TWIE.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, I'd really like for you to explain how CONTEXTUALLY you could possibly see the interactions between this slot and known scum as scum-scum.

Snork cleared TWIE as no-gun. So I could do the above, but it'd be kind of a waste of time.

If a no-gun player is some GodFather or mafia doc role, then my choice for it would be DV.

Your push on him prior to that revelation though. Just wow.

I know we approach the game really differently based on past experience. But still.

Well, when you consider that so far this game,

I had

talah

as scum
I had

luca

as scum
I had

AP

as town
I had

Yates

as town

I had Mastin as scum

I had

ThAd

as town
I had

Penguin (as Rogers)

as town
I had

Damon

as town
I had

Egg (BiPolar)

as town

And the last four as part of the PoE in which there are 2 scum,

I'm doing pretty shitty.

[TheWayItEnds]

Oh look. Someone else sees the reasons I thought the gunsmith clear on me was a total waste.

2080 - the main thing I don't like about this post is that there's no mention of yates in it. Otherwise it feels like a decent reads list with enough against the grain thinking that it gives me townfeels.

Yates is in 2080, he just didnt get spaced out properly. Should be just under my ProjectMatt read about halfway through.

Pere, I'd really like for you to explain how CONTEXTUALLY you could possibly see the interactions between this slot and known scum as scum-scum.

Oooh oooh! Pick me! Pick me! I know why.

[fferyllt]

3179 is better, but I wish you hadnt started with snow, whos pretty low on the lynch list for most people.

I have things to say about 3170 but if you're planning to do more posts like 3179 I'd rather see those first.

You want to get back to this?