Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

I just feel hesitant about everything and I don't know what to do to make it make sense.

When I first started playing mafia I was really paranoid about everything and anything and even though the paranoia now is probably less controlled than I think it is, I have tried to sort of lower my standards for who I trust in a way and pretend to myself that I'm more confident than I actually am? I know it sounds bad, but I feel it's achieved a better result at least for me. Obviously this could be of no use to you whatsoever and I'm obviously not a model player, but I think a more relaxed (e.g. it's just a game and not the end of the world if I'm wrong) approach could possibly help here.

Right now I'm not in the place where I'm like omigod i might be wrong, please send in the reinforcements. I'm in a I have no idea where to start or what makes sense. I don't even feel really paranoid. My major element of paranoia isn't pertinent anymore because it doesn't matter really, and I'm not like oh what if my reads are wrong, that would suck, which the major parts of paranoia with me really don't start kicking in until day four if I'm still alive. I just feel lost and I don't know how to fix the lack of direction I feel.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

By lost, do you mean a lack of strong scumreads?

[Titan]

Lost means lack of really strong scum and town reads.

I have you as my strongest town read, I think. I have falcon pretty far up there, and though I'm not doubting that town read much I wouldn't bet the game on it, and I feel bad that I don't feel more strongly about it. And I should. He doesn't feel like Wicked or Attack on Titan at all, but I think part of my problem is I worry he learned some from Nacho and could be introducing some new things into his scum game. Though I will note that he was prioritizing this game much much more than he was Wicked where he was scum while both were going on, which I think is more of a town tell for him.

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ok, well what I've been mulling over in my spare time today is what the current gamestate means for scum.

While town as a whole not having a decisive direction, or even multiple decisive directions is nice, it's a volatile state. And I think it means that there aren't that many town players who are vulnerable to mislynch. Most of the players who could be considered lynchbait really aren't in this playerlist, if that makes sense.

I've seen this sort of dilemma for scum in smaller games.

How would you as scum tackle this gamestate?

[CarbonFiber]

GIFPie, DespBRO and Orcinus. Beli's actually more bet the farm about Orcinus than I was before we talked.

That's unexpected.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Kinda surprised me when I realized it.

[Titan]

Ok, well what I've been mulling over in my spare time today is what the current gamestate means for scum.

While town as a whole not having a decisive direction, or even multiple decisive directions is nice, it's a volatile state. And I think it means that there aren't that many town players who are vulnerable to mislynch. Most of the players who could be considered lynchbait really aren't in this playerlist, if that makes sense.

I've seen this sort of dilemma for scum in smaller games.

How would you as scum tackle this gamestate?

Me? I have no idea. There are very few instances in which I can think like scum when I'm not scum and even when I am scum.

This gamestate is especially difficult because it's hard to assess who the actual town possible scum groupings are.

And it's even more difficult for me because I'm not a planner at all. I think the most I come to planning is in night actions, if I'm the most influential person, in which I look at who would be most valuable to keep and who is most dangerous and needs to die. That's the sum total of my planning in any scum game.

I guess my scum plan would be the same as any of my scum plans. I always expect to be lynched early when scum. I feel like my alignment is written all over my posts either way. As scum my goal is always to make it look like people who aren't my partners are and those who are my partners aren't, so upon my inevitable lynch and flip they make it to end game. I really don't think beyond that.

[CarbonFiber]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

[Titan]

Although this game would probably lend itself to one of my town playstyles I try to emulate when scum, and that's the size up all the arguments and ferret it out. I'd probably have too many town reads, and have to decide between them. It's something I've been stuck in with as town, and something that I've exploited to great effect as scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

What? Tammy is saying she doesnt have clearly defined scumreads and you are agreeing with her?

I think you have the opposite problem.

[CarbonFiber]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

What? Tammy is saying she doesnt have clearly defined scumreads and you are agreeing with her?

I think you have the opposite problem.

I am talking about the state of this game. Do you think we would be here if the scumteam was PV, Orc, RG, etc?

[Titan]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

What I feel like is that there is this central core and a periphery, and the central core is unstable but I don't know what part is if that makes sense.

It's why I keep thinking that even though I don't have Mastin as definite scum, lynching him anyway might be best for the town. Partly due to the distraction element, and due to all the offshoots that are hard to feel one way or the other about. But I'm also concerned about the fallout for town if Mastin is town.

so yeah i'm all kdfjgad;jhgfio;dhgiohfgikjfdhgkjdfhnuo

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho am I town, scum, or fptslbooa?

Scum. Unless you die soon!

If I shove you really hard will your team NK me?

Also, why was I blocked?

Your target was me but it failed.
Seemed like you weren't blocked to me!

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ok, well what I've been mulling over in my spare time today is what the current gamestate means for scum.

While town as a whole not having a decisive direction, or even multiple decisive directions is nice, it's a volatile state. And I think it means that there aren't that many town players who are vulnerable to mislynch. Most of the players who could be considered lynchbait really aren't in this playerlist, if that makes sense.

I've seen this sort of dilemma for scum in smaller games.

How would you as scum tackle this gamestate?

Me? I have no idea. There are very few instances in which I can think like scum when I'm not scum and even when I am scum.

This gamestate is especially difficult because it's hard to assess who the actual town possible scum groupings are.

And it's even more difficult for me because I'm not a planner at all. I think the most I come to planning is in night actions, if I'm the most influential person, in which I look at who would be most valuable to keep and who is most dangerous and needs to die. That's the sum total of my planning in any scum game.

I guess my scum plan would be the same as any of my scum plans. I always expect to be lynched early when scum. I feel like my alignment is written all over my posts either way. As scum my goal is always to make it look like people who aren't my partners are and those who are my partners aren't, so upon my inevitable lynch and flip they make it to end game. I really don't think beyond that.

I never expect to last long as scum either so I work on many of the same parts of the game during the day.

But one thing my first mafia mentor tried to get me to focus on was who I wanted around at mylo/lylo and to figure out what I could do to make that happen. What I'm probably most weak on, though, is seeing what the best final configuration actually is. Fortunately, I don't usually have full controll of that because the game usually evolves in unexpected directions.

CF, in the Wicked game you were hydraing with one of the best players I've seen at making scum stone soup out of a tough list of townies. Thoughts on how you would be applying some of that to this game if you were scum?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Nacho same question.

[CarbonFiber]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

What I feel like is that there is this central core and a periphery, and the central core is unstable but I don't know what part is if that makes sense.

It's why I keep thinking that even though I don't have Mastin as definite scum, lynching him anyway might be best for the town. Partly due to the distraction element, and due to all the offshoots that are hard to feel one way or the other about. But I'm also concerned about the fallout for town if Mastin is town.

so yeah i'm all kdfjgad;jhgfio;dhgiohfgikjfdhgkjdfhnuo

By "central core" and "periphery," are you referring to the active vs inactive players or something else?

What would the fallout be if Mastin flips town?

[Titan]

I have some peripheral town reads, but a complete and total lack of scum reads yes. There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

This is part of my hesitation in scumreading weaker players in this game. I feel like this wouldn't be the sort of gamestate we would be in if the scum were mostly less active or less skilled players.

What I feel like is that there is this central core and a periphery, and the central core is unstable but I don't know what part is if that makes sense.

It's why I keep thinking that even though I don't have Mastin as definite scum, lynching him anyway might be best for the town. Partly due to the distraction element, and due to all the offshoots that are hard to feel one way or the other about. But I'm also concerned about the fallout for town if Mastin is town.

so yeah i'm all kdfjgad;jhgfio;dhgiohfgikjfdhgkjdfhnuo

By "central core" and "periphery," are you referring to the active vs inactive players or something else?

What would the fallout be if Mastin flips town?

The central core as I see it are: Mastin, AP, desbro, you, stalin with a little pie and me added in for flavor.

The periphery is everyone else.

If Mastin flipped town my reads on desbro, nacho, pie and maybe you might feel in flux. That might be because of neighborhood, but I would be looking at all of you cross-eyed trying to figure out which one of you were scum pulling everyone's strings.

[CarbonFiber]

I never expect to last long as scum either so I work on many of the same parts of the game during the day.

But one thing my first mafia mentor tried to get me to focus on was who I wanted around at mylo/lylo and to figure out what I could do to make that happen. What I'm probably most weak on, though, is seeing what the best final configuration actually is. Fortunately, I don't usually have full controll of that because the game usually evolves in unexpected directions.

CF, in the Wicked game you were hydraing with one of the best players I've seen at making scum stone soup out of a tough list of townies. Thoughts on how you would be applying some of that to this game if you were scum?

I talked earlier about how Nacho and I planned our pushes, trying to sort out which ones would feel natural and which ones don't. My scumplans usually depend on the playerlist and who my partners are. I think the ideal is to survive and win but I always try to make contingency plans. For instance in Wicked, Malakittens, Nacho and I set it up for 5P LYLO as if it was one of {Mala, NotScience}, or {Nacho & me, CES & Fenchurch hydras} so that even if one of us went down, the other would win 3P LYLO. One of the plans I am proud of being involved in because all three of us worked it out so that there is no way we could lose. I think if I had scumbuddies that were really good but weren't partnered with me as a hydra in the same slot, I'd spend more of an effort to create fake interactions but considering the team in Wicked, most of my initial planning went into making our slot survive and getting Cabd and Penguin (and later Mina) to townread us. Cabd probably hates me for it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, well what I've been mulling over in my spare time today is what the current gamestate means for scum.

While town as a whole not having a decisive direction, or even multiple decisive directions is nice, it's a volatile state. And I think it means that there aren't that many town players who are vulnerable to mislynch. Most of the players who could be considered lynchbait really aren't in this playerlist, if that makes sense.

I've seen this sort of dilemma for scum in smaller games.

How would you as scum tackle this gamestate?

Me? I have no idea. There are very few instances in which I can think like scum when I'm not scum and even when I am scum.

This gamestate is especially difficult because it's hard to assess who the actual town possible scum groupings are.

And it's even more difficult for me because I'm not a planner at all. I think the most I come to planning is in night actions, if I'm the most influential person, in which I look at who would be most valuable to keep and who is most dangerous and needs to die. That's the sum total of my planning in any scum game.

I guess my scum plan would be the same as any of my scum plans. I always expect to be lynched early when scum. I feel like my alignment is written all over my posts either way. As scum my goal is always to make it look like people who aren't my partners are and those who are my partners aren't, so upon my inevitable lynch and flip they make it to end game. I really don't think beyond that.

I never expect to last long as scum either so I work on many of the same parts of the game during the day.

But one thing my first mafia mentor tried to get me to focus on was who I wanted around at mylo/lylo and to figure out what I could do to make that happen. What I'm probably most weak on, though, is seeing what the best final configuration actually is. Fortunately, I don't usually have full controll of that because the game usually evolves in unexpected directions.

CF, in the Wicked game you were hydraing with one of the best players I've seen at making scum stone soup out of a tough list of townies. Thoughts on how you would be applying some of that to this game if you were scum?

CF: I think the game state is whatever it is because you/tammy/ffery are talking about peripheral things and waffling back and forth forever. Mastin 2 for that matter. No one is pursuing scum reads just getting paranoid about I can't even tell what. Phone post

[AngryPidgeon]

And making plans as scum beyond a day or 2 out is silly because of course things will go unexpectedly. At ffery: the direction is pretty much mastin getting lynched. There has been no other direction.

[Titan]

I'm Princess Waffles, welcome to my castle:



(image stolen from bert from wicked but I was references so.)

[Titan]

And making plans as scum beyond a day or 2 out is silly because of course things will go unexpectedly.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nacho am I town, scum, or fptslbooa?

Scum. Unless you die soon!

If I shove you really hard will your team NK me?

Also, why was I blocked?

Your target was me but it failed.
Seemed like you weren't blocked to me!

I want to lynch this cheeky clown fuck

[Breakfast With Sandy]

And making plans as scum beyond a day or 2 out is silly because of course things will go unexpectedly. At ffery: the direction is pretty much mastin getting lynched. There has been no other direction.

my vote sometimes has electromagnetic effects.

makes me cautious about using it.

which is to say I think that beli and I could probably break that wagon if we had a better idea where we should vote. And since we've grown less comfortable about voting Mastin we're struggling with what next and if it makes sense to eventually put our vote there with misgivings.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Nacho am I town, scum, or fptslbooa?

Scum. Unless you die soon!

If I shove you really hard will your team NK me?

Also, why was I blocked?

Your target was me but it failed.
Seemed like you weren't blocked to me!

I want to lynch this cheeky clown fuck

nowhere in that sentence do I see the word scum.