Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 2-17 (unchanged from 2-16)

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.


MastinSSK (5): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Yggdra Union, magenta_thegreat, CupcakePanda
Nachomamma8 (2): Red Gyarados, MastinSSK
CupcakePanda (1): The Fox and the Hound
PeregrineV (1): Titan


Not Voting (5): Nachomamma8, Carbon Fiber, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin, AP

Mod Notes:

With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)

[Clyton]

Yes I am.

Life is happening, but I can explain post-game lol.

[CarbonFiber]

That's all right. Hope it turns out okay.

I struck me as odd that you have no actual scumreads but want to policy lynch one of three players that you apparently have as the weakest town. Why such a strategy?

As for your other reads, if you can give a short explanation it will be nice but it is up to you. Hopefully, your replacement will be easier to read than you.

[Titan]

Bye Clyton.

Mara - I'm sorry I was a jerk last night

[Titan]

Anyone reading my goddamned posting without confirmation bias, without emotional attachment, and putting so much as an iota of effort into reading my fucking mindset would be able to figure that out. Doesn't mean I'm going to win. Yes, I should. No, I won't.

Hey Tammy!
Could you ask SAD if he thinks mastin is town?

It took me a minute to get why you asked me this.

Unfortunately, Arthur and I haven't talked since the cagefight, but I sent him a message!

[Clyton]

That's all right. Hope it turns out okay.

I struck me as odd that you have no actual scumreads but want to policy lynch one of three players that you apparently have as the weakest town. Why such a strategy?

As for your other reads, if you can give a short explanation it will be nice but it is up to you. Hopefully, your replacement will be easier to read than you.

My playstyle refines everyday the more I think about current games and past games. I am opted to put no scumreads on the list. Rather, I placed people on the list according to their towniness. Therefore, my weaktown list are also the most scummiest in my view.

The policy lynch is better for the majority in my opinion. Between Mastin's high noise output, you and your arrogant belief that RBD/Mastin/AP is a scumteam (and apparently refusing to understand them when they try to reach out to you as I saw in the exchange between you and AP) and CP's overall lurking and non-care attitude at this point of game, I believe these are viable options for policy lynches.

You in particular I am worried about. If you are truly town, I question your effectiveness outside of your neighbourhood creation role should your theory/scumhunting campaign fall apart. Your interaction during your scumhunt is quite unhealthy. I know at least that assuming Mastin flips town, I reached out to him and put him in a better spot beginning of Day 2 because he was clearly being misunderstood and refused to be understood at some point in this game. I fear that if you put your scumhunting campaign on your next theorized scumbloc, people who read you as town will follow your opinion as absolute and the "scumbloc" will have no chance to argue for themselves (including all the contributions they made for town up to that point).

I also ask you reconsider your view on your neighbourhood. It may appear as a townbloc now, but there's a high chance later this game that it will not appear as so. This is not to put doubt in everyone's minds if they already saw the neighbourhood as a townbloc. This is the cautionary me telling you to not claim facts that are not yet fully revealed that can skew the direction of the game.

[Clyton]

That's all right. Hope it turns out okay.

I struck me as odd that you have no actual scumreads but want to policy lynch one of three players that you apparently have as the weakest town. Why such a strategy?

As for your other reads, if you can give a short explanation it will be nice but it is up to you. Hopefully, your replacement will be easier to read than you.

My playstyle refines everyday the more I think about current games and past games. I am opted to put no scumreads on the list. Rather, I placed people on the list according to their towniness. Therefore, my weaktown list are also the most scummiest in my view.

The policy lynch is better for the majority in my opinion. Between Mastin's high noise output, you and your arrogant belief that RBD/Mastin/AP is a scumteam (and apparently refusing to understand them when they try to reach out to you as I saw in the exchange between you and AP) and CP's overall lurking and non-care attitude at this point of game, I believe these are viable options for policy lynches.

You in particular I am worried about. If you are truly town, I question your effectiveness outside of your neighbourhood creation role should your theory/scumhunting campaign fall apart. Your interaction during your scumhunt is quite unhealthy. I know at least that assuming Mastin flips town, I reached out to him and put him in a better spot beginning of Day 2 because he was clearly being misunderstood and refused to be understood at some point in this game. I fear that if you put your scumhunting campaign on your next theorized scumbloc, people who read you as town will follow your opinion as absolute and the "scumbloc" will have no chance to argue for themselves (including all the contributions they made for town up to that point).

I also ask you reconsider your view on your neighbourhood. It may appear as a townbloc now, but there's a high chance later this game that it will not appear as so. This is not to put doubt in everyone's minds if they already saw the neighbourhood as a townbloc.

This is the cautionary me telling you to not claim facts that are not yet fully revealed that can skew the direction of the game.

I'm bolding this for emphasis F-16. Thanks for your sendoff.

[AngryPidgeon]

Strong Town:
Titan

Town:
The Fox and the Hound
Just Sheep Us
nachomamma8
Breakfast With Stalin
Red Gyarados

Weak Town:
PeregrineV
AngryPidgeon
Rancid Broderick Drake
Carbon Fiber
CupcakePanda
MastinSSK

Null:
magenta_thegreat
Yggdra Union

Are you a ffery alt >.>

[CarbonFiber]

Clyton, that makes as much as sense as an insect flavored Frappuccino but I've given up on trying to read or understand you especially since you are going to be replaced so it is irrelevant.

[magenta_thegreat]

Perfect Town:
Lord Business
Mac

Strong Town:
Titan

Town:
The Fox and the Hound
Just Sheep Us
nachomamma8
Breakfast With Stalin
Red Gyarados

Weak Town:
PeregrineV
AngryPidgeon
Rancid Broderick Drake
Carbon Fiber
CupcakePanda
MastinSSK

Null:
magenta_thegreat
Yggdra Union

this list is the dumbest thing i've seen in 190 pages

[magenta_thegreat]

page 13ish... whats changed from then?

When/where/why did your read on mastin change from town to scum?

I had a question addressed to you to!

[AngryPidgeon]

I had a question addressed to you to!

How in sync with Orci are you / how much have you read?

[Yulia Jue]

Penguin_Alien replaces Clyton effective immediately

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi PA ^^. I'm glad you replaced into probable town.

[penguin_alien]

Hey, AP!

So no way am I getting a handle on this in four days, but I'll do what I can. Let me know if there's anything in particular you want me to address/look at.

[CarbonFiber]

Hi Penguin,
Showing me that you are town-town-town if you are would be an amazing start. This is F-16 btw. Quick summary of my thoughts: I think Mastin and AP are scum, and the dead and janitored Rancid is scum. I have a neighborhood with Yggdra Union, Just Sheep Us and Nacho, the first two of which I would bet the game on are town. I lean town on Nacho.

D1, Rancid claimed miller, I cc'd them and pushed a wagon on them. Nacho derailed it on the day of the deadline but they got vigged anyways. Pie, BRO-Desp, Nacho, and I have been pushing Mastin as being scum. Tammy and ffery are waffling every 2 posts about Mastin's affiliation. AP thinks he is town but Mastin thinks AP is scum which I found wierd. Mastin also is voteless until LYLO.

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, I

think

your slot is probable scum through POE although I don't have an actual read at all because your predecessor is an enhanced version of a robot that made as much sense as one. But I

hope

that you are town and I have my fingers crossed really hard.

[CarbonFiber]

The central core as I see it are: Mastin, AP, desbro, you, stalin with a little pie and me added in for flavor.

The periphery is everyone else.

If Mastin flipped town my reads on desbro, nacho, pie and maybe you might feel in flux. That might be because of neighborhood, but I would be looking at all of you cross-eyed trying to figure out which one of you were scum pulling everyone's strings.

This struck my interest the more I thought about it. Why are those the players the ones that you would be looking at if Mastin flipped scum as opposed to any other player in the game? For pushing the lynch?

That doesn't make sense and Desp said in the neighborhood that he feels like you might be setting them up which makes me somewhat paranoid. I won't go as far as that but something about what Clyton said made me think it is possible scum are setting people up upon Mastin's townflip.

I'd expect town-you to read me and Nacho independent of others. Okay, I figure Nacho is a good scum player that may be able to fool you and you might want to double-check it with other flips but you know me and my playstyle enough that I am not sure why Mastin's flip would influence your read on me at all. And you know my play is massively different from AoT and Wicked. I am not sure how you think I could have played well enough to fool

you

of all people in this game while simultaneously sucking enough in Wicked that you say in the dead thread you'd add me to the list of people who suck as scum.

[Titan]

The central core as I see it are: Mastin, AP, desbro, you, stalin with a little pie and me added in for flavor.

The periphery is everyone else.

If Mastin flipped town my reads on desbro, nacho, pie and maybe you might feel in flux. That might be because of neighborhood, but I would be looking at all of you cross-eyed trying to figure out which one of you were scum pulling everyone's strings.

This struck my interest the more I thought about it. Why are those the players the ones that you would be looking at if Mastin flipped scum as opposed to any other player in the game? For pushing the lynch?

That doesn't make sense and Desp said in the neighborhood that he feels like you might be setting them up which makes me somewhat paranoid. I won't go as far as that but something about what Clyton said made me think it is possible scum are setting people up upon Mastin's townflip.

I'd expect town-you to read me and Nacho independent of others. Okay, I figure Nacho is a good scum player that may be able to fool you and you might want to double-check it with other flips but you know me and my playstyle enough that I am not sure why Mastin's flip would influence your read on me at all. And you know my play is massively different from AoT and Wicked. I am not sure how you think I could have played well enough to fool

you

of all people in this game while simultaneously sucking enough in Wicked that you say in the dead thread you'd add me to the list of people who suck as scum.

If des is stupidly concerned about something, say it fucking here. Stop only doing lame ass shit in the neighborhood and bring it out in the fucking open.

This is my entire problem with your neighborhood and why I can't feel good about a town read on any of you. Why the hell is he filtering stupid shit through you when he can ask me himself???

Desp supposedly has me as town. You supposedly have me as town so what the fuck with this crap? It makes not a lick of sense because that's not even how I operate as scum. And since I say, and it's clear through the way I've been reading this game the whole time, I'd be looking at you all crosseyed trying to figure out which one of you was scum pulling strings because that's how it would look to me, you're like oh you're lining up lynches.

Like this question and how you're reacting to it makes no sense in the context of everything else I've said in this game. And I mean, gosh, why don't you wait to see if that happens? Mastin might very well be scum which makes all my worries for naught. My concern that there's strings being pulled only happens if Mastin is town.

I am reading you independent of others and that's not what that means. It means I am worried there is scum in your neighborhood. I don't know who though. You understood my issues with the neighborhood before so I have no clue what this is.

But seriously, why can't des come out here like a big boy and raise this problem himself?!?

[Titan]

OOOOOOOH How dare you think one of us might be scum if Mastin flips town. HOW DARE YOU!

[CarbonFiber]

f des is stupidly concerned about something, say it fucking here. Stop only doing lame ass shit in the neighborhood and bring it out in the fucking open.

This is my entire problem with your neighborhood and why I can't feel good about a town read on any of you. Why the hell is he filtering stupid shit through you when he can ask me himself???

Desp supposedly has me as town. You supposedly have me as town so what the fuck with this crap? It makes not a lick of sense because that's not even how I operate as scum. And since I say, and it's clear through the way I've been reading this game the whole time, I'd be looking at you all crosseyed trying to figure out which one of you was scum pulling strings because that's how it would look to me, you're like oh you're lining up lynches.

Like this question and how you're reacting to it makes no sense in the context of everything else I've said in this game. And I mean, gosh, why don't you wait to see if that happens? Mastin might very well be scum which makes all my worries for naught. My concern that there's strings being pulled only happens if Mastin is town.

I am reading you independent of others and that's not what that means. It means I am worried there is scum in your neighborhood. I don't know who though. You understood my issues with the neighborhood before so I have no clue what this is.

But seriously, why can't des come out here like a big boy and raise this problem himself?!?

I am the one bringing it up because

I

was the one that got paranoid about what Desp brought up in the neighborhood. I don't know why he didn't bring it up yet but I suppose he will when he gets back on. He's not filitering it through me. I asked you because I want to hear your thoughts in depth.

Even forgetting what Desp said, you never had trouble reading me easily before and I thought my alignment was obvious here even if you didn't trust the rest of the neighborhood. I understood your issues with the rest of the neighborhood and I understand them now. I still feel my own thoughts and body of work at least is above the level of what I could fake.

[CarbonFiber]

OOOOOOOH How dare you think one of us might be scum if Mastin flips town. HOW DARE YOU!

That's not even what I meant, Tammy. This game is killing me with paranoia and I wanted to make sure I could rely on at least one person to mutually read me and me them with certainty outside of the neighborhood.

[Titan]

Falcon - go read everything I've said about you. I've consistently said I'd be surprised if you were scum. I've also consistently said that I think I should have you stronger town than I do. I also said last night that part of why I might be hesitant is that you could have learned from hydraing with nacho while scum.

I've never said oh hey falcon's scum! I just don't know why you're going all paranoid on me for something that should be really clear since we've already discussed my distrust of your neighborhood.

I don't know why you're not trying to see where I'm coming from. I also don't know why you're getting after me about things you can't fake while there's a number of things I can't fake that shouldn't cause you doubt.

[Titan]

And I lost my train of thought. Blame skype people!

It's nothing to really worry about until mastin flips anyway. I mean sure there could be scum in your neighborhood regardless, but my paranoid looking at you guys cross-eyed certain there's string pulling in there really only occurs if Mastin's town, and then can you blame me?

And then, geeze, it's not like I'm leading lynches this game. And my main suspects from your neighborhood have been nacho/despbro this game anyway.

[AngryPidgeon]

What the hell just happened?

Tammy, all you are saying is that if Mastin is town, you think someone pushing her is scum, right?

I dont see why that is an egregious opinion if thats what it is. PV could easily be scum on that. Magenta could be although I oscillate about Orci.