Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Desp, get the hell out there and be transparent and be you and post what you need to post. It really isn't fair for the rest of the town for me to keep shutting down suspicion of you guys when you are being deliberately not transparent in the thread.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Hey Nacho, are you still there?

[Desperado]

That went well.

lmao

[Desperado]

Desp, get the hell out there and be transparent and be you and post what you need to post. It really isn't fair for the rest of the town for me to keep shutting down suspicion of you guys when you are being deliberately not transparent in the thread.

/shrug

our focus is still on lynching mastin. her flip is vital.

and i really dont give two shits about anything that's been posted in the last...week? it's all pointless dithering.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Post in the thread if you don't mind.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, I just read Viscon-Wingate Mansion. Still reading it.

Why do you think Tammy not trusting you is scummy?

And why the fuck are you not posting in thread?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Her not trusting the neighborhood is actually pretty fucking town.

Subject: Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

And I don't give a crap about your cryptic answers. I. don't. trust. your. neighborhood.

How many more times do i have to say it.

Posts like these.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

That actually concerns me about YOU. You were in the game. So what that fuck is it about the setting up thing?

[CarbonFiber]

Actually forget it. BRO's meltdown still isn't fake.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

You and Titan are both obvtown.

[Just Sheep Us]

Why do you think Tammy not trusting you is scummy?

i don't remember saying this

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I was talking about your scumread on Titan but if you don't think they are scum, that's a non-issue.

At this point, I would bet the game on you and Titan both being town (and Yggdra and Nacho as well).

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

It could be Orc and Mara based on their unvote.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Well, it is Mastin/Rancid/AP + one of Maraorc/Penguin. Gotta figure out which.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

What do you think of the unvote Pie?

You think Mara is on a team with Mastin trying to distance?

[pieguyn]

I'm not sure. I'll look into it later

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

And look. Nearly nine. Six+ hours. Tired, hungry, need to use the bathroom, and really.
Fucking.
Sick.

You know it's bad when your lurker of a hydra partner tells you that you need a break.
Soyeah. I'm probably done for the day.

This feels incredibly scummy. Mastin as scum is known to pride himself on his scumgame and it is the sort of thing that would make more sense for him to do as scum.

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Also, anyone notices how his suspect lists keep changing to fit what is popular at the time?

I said I found PV town and he suddenly no longer has PV as a scumread after I mentioned how I get massive glaring red flags everytime Mastin or Nacho bring up PV as a suspect.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I feel like I should have a stronger read here if he's town

This bugs me. I feel like you copied Tammy's reasoning. She has reason to feel that way about me but why would you?

I can go into more detail when I get home. I feel like we've played enough games together now that by mid day 2 I should feel pretty confident you're town. I also feel your read of me has been hedgy. your recent reads list doesn't alleviate that. what flips would solidify your read on me and why?

I think you are unlikely to be scum with Mastin. I'll have to think about Rancid. You derailed their lynch but the way they were appealing to you constantly and you sending them hugs feels like you are unlikely to be scum with them either and it'll help clear my mind.

What will clear your mind? Rancid's flip? Why are you expecting that flip before end of game? Do you think someone has the info about their alignment?

The one time you had to read me, you struggled to get a read although had me as leaning town so I don't know if you expected the same results or better.

Valid or not, my assumption is that reads are more easily formed with greater exposure to someone's play. And I feel like I"m reaching a point where I should have a pretty strong opinion by the end of day 1.

And in fact I did have a strong opinion by the end of day 1. But from your stances and questions it apparently isn't mutual. And I don't understand why. So the lack of mutuality is troubling and I wonder if my strong opinion was premature.

Your read on me is one thing that bugs me about you because I feel like I've been quite obviously town.

So do I. I feel like anyone who actually understands what differentiates my town game from my scum game should have no trouble reading me this game. And I thought that you had such an understanding because if anyone on this site has troubled to meta me you have. Nacho, too, but with him it's mostly experiential meta and the occasional follow-along of a game he isn't playing.

For example, leading a wagon on Rancid and putting this much effort into collaborating with the town. I'm also the most obviously town player from our neighborhood.

Your Rancid wagon did no favors with me. Putting this much effort in has been somewhat targeted and tactical, and I think you would do that no matter what your alignment. I think the way you have gone about it looks town, but not god-tier town which you keep insisting you've reached.

I am not sure why you'd expect to be read as obviously town when you haven't been.

Because you expect me to see you as obviously town. You're not the final judge of your towniness. And you haven't gotten over yourself. you're still expecting me to just...change my read.

I was completely taken aback that some players, including you and Bro, didn't have me solidly town but I'm dealing with it. I'm not haranguing you for not townreading me.

It's like you think you can bludgeon people into townreading you. Maybe that works sometimes with some players. All it does is get my back up.

Most of it D1 has been me and Pie leading the game and later Nacho

That's your opinion. I felt like whether the effect was good or ill, I was a large factor in how day 1 resolved, particularly that it didn't end with Rancid's lynch.

and D2 has been entirely me, you and Tammy trying to get on the same page

No it hasn't. There has been a lot of other stuff going on.

and figuring out where to go from there and Nacho's latest posts pushing everyone towards a Mastin lynch.

But this is key and will probably determine how this game day ends.

You are aware that your meta falls under different categories and some are easier to read as town than others. For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town. I've meta'd you enough that I can catch all of your towngames but I don't know why you wouldn't want me to be certain in a game where you are not obvtown.

I don't care that you aren't certain. I care that you've been undermining me and raising suspicions about me all of day 2 and I really think you ought to take a look at the company you're keeping.

I looked lynchable at least at one point this game day. I'm really surprised there wasn't a stronger push than there was. But some consideration of who took advantage of that, who distanced, and how that impacted other nascent wagons wouldn't be a bad thing no matter what my alignment.

Your hesitation in reading me is one of the things that make me hesitate in reading you as top-tier town which is weird because you are hesitating on me because of

my

read on you.

Aside from "omgwtf you don't have any scumreads" you've done precious little aside from try to get me to vote with you.

This post feels like a crap load of discrediting.

Considering I contributed a massive fuckton of content into the thread and spent a ridiculous amount of time mediating, resolving conflicts, providing reads, working with players, and building cohesiveness in the town, this feels like a blatant disconnect from reality.

Nacho, how strong is your townread on Ffery?

I still feel like this is Ffery's towngame. I just hope Rancid flips at some point and she sees the light and stops with the discredits.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

BRO, what is your read on AP? Your latest updated read?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

He just got hammered. I hope he is scum.

[BROseidon]

guys wtf happened while I was in Montreal.

I'll get to the neighborhood/reading the thread later. I have to get to class now :/

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

MastinSSK got hammered.

I have no idea why Tammy quickhammered him but I hope he is scum.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Should have figured he was town when every player in the game besides AP voted him at some point or another.

Fuck it.

Wonder who dies tonight.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

AP is confirmed scum. That much is obvious.

But who are AP's buddies? Penguin is obvious. LOL at jumping into the game to go after Mastin.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

My reads are completely fucked. It could be RG. It could be Fox/Hound. Both slots votes were dubious. I still have no idea wtf the conversation with Tammy/Ffery was before quickhammering or why she quickhammered. I just don't think she wouldn't make me feel like crap over the neighborhood thing if she actually was scum.