With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.
MastinSSK (6): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Yggdra Union, magenta_thegreat, CupcakePanda, Penguin_Alien
Nachomamma8 (2): Red Gyarados, MastinSSK
CupcakePanda (1): The Fox and the Hound
JustSheepUs (1): Titan
Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, Carbon Fiber, Breakfast With Stalin, AngryPidgeon
Mod Notes:
Please note the deadline!
With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)
Last edited by Cabd on Sun May 04, 2014 3:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~
In post 4809, Nachomamma8 wrote:i'm going to dance on mastin's grave when she gets lynched and if you're terying to fuck with me when i'm in that mode then you're going to get buried like everyone else who has ever tried
Yes, yes he will.
Because it's him, AP, Mara/Orc, and NS/BS.
In post 4843, Nachomamma8 wrote:because bro broke the fuck down in thread and mastin didn't even take a break from calling him shit to go "hey bro, are you okay?". he didn't even take a moment to reflect, to hesitate, to whatever he just brushed it the fuck aside and kept moving on
Yes, I did. My read changed on them from scum to town.
And I moved on. But I'm giving zero shits about someone breaking down about
In post 4845, Nachomamma8 wrote:but as scum? he quells those emotions because they go against his win condition. i do the same thing. i mislynch people, i see the hurt in the words they're typing and i feel fucking horrible about it but i keep going because i know i need to for my win condition
LIKE. FUCKING. HELL.
I would.
As scum, know what I'd do?
Back the fuck down. Because winning by causing a player to break down when right?
Is no fucking way to win a game. It goes against the fucking game part, the part I emphasize, in favor of the win.
But I literally cannot be assed to care about him breaking down...about a read he is fucking wrong about.
And this is how you feel about pushing me I'm sure.
But I'm going to stop with this fucking line of questioning, because I realized that every fucking single one of the things I'm saying here I said...PRIOR to Nacho having brought them up. They were already fucking addressed. Multiple fucking times. So I'm canning it, the line is scum-driven and fucking manipulative.
Nachomamma8. AngryPidgeon. magenta_thegreat. Red Gyarados.
Your scumteam.
In post 4882, magenta_thegreat wrote:This kinda makes me think of mastins difference of opinions between mara and Kovara in paranoia, Pigey
Do tell.
In post 4884, AngryPidgeon wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=3275
Wait this game is over now omfg.
OK look at this shit. Look at it.
Mastin was pissing me off tha tgame cause she was on my team. Yet she put forth zero fucking effort in it. Meanwhile shes posting up a storm over here. I think she was just wanting to be a hero. a town hero.
Thus why I've said most of my scumgames this year. That one I expressed my disappointment in myself that I didn't give the town the challenge they deserved. You could sum it up as,
"AP, help!"
As that one micro was, "Nacho, help!"
I've been giving this game. So much. So fucking much. That it's come at the complete cost of other games, the one AP linked among them.
So a legitimate fuck you if you so much as seriously fucking think that I am scum, here.
In post 5035, MastinSSK wrote:I've been giving this game. So much. So fucking much. That it's come at the complete cost of other games, the one AP linked among them.
So a legitimate fuck you if you so much as seriously fucking think that I am scum, here.
I SUSPECTED YOU WERE TOWM HERE BECAUSE OF THE GAME SINCE BEFORE IT ENDED IN PART BECAUSE OF YOUR EFFORT LEVELS.
NOW IM POSTING IT TO TRY AND MAKE A CASE FOR YOU. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
IVE BEEN GETTING FLAK FOR MY TOWNREAD OF YOU AND IT WAS HUGELY BASED ON YOU
BUT NO YOU HAVE TO ALIENATE THE ONE FUCKING PERSON WILLING TO STEP UP TO BAT FOR YOU AND NITPICK THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING I DO AND POST BULLSHIT LIKE
"IM HAVING A HARD TIME EXPLAINING MY AP READ THIS GAME" INTERMIITENTLY.
I fucking told you all Clyton was town. Also, I'm probably going to stop letting mastin walls block up my reread and just not read them, because feeling like I needed to was what caused me to stop.
Back the fuck down. Because winning by causing a player to break down when right?
Is no fucking way to win a game. It goes against the fucking game part, the part I emphasize, in favor of the win.
But I literally cannot be assed to care about him breaking down...about a read he is fucking wrong about.
And you KNOW this about me.
so you'd back the fuck down as scum. what did you do here? back the fuck down and never poke at him again. makes sense
also did you really just make like 10 posts to respond to Nacho's one post? what the actual fuck is the point of that?
this basically proves you're just trying to make a shitton of posts and drown town out in noise.
and no I don't buy your "noise is detrimental to scum" bullshit and it makes sense you'd say that in order to detract attention from what you're trying to do
-Y
O valkyrie of the doomed rebellion... In the depths of despair, sing us to victory.
In post 5040, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I fucking told you all Clyton was town. Also, I'm probably going to stop letting mastin walls block up my reread and just not read them, because feeling like I needed to was what caused me to stop.
just ignore her, that's exactly what she wants to happen
-y
O valkyrie of the doomed rebellion... In the depths of despair, sing us to victory.
This bugs me. I feel like you copied Tammy's reasoning. She has reason to feel that way about me but why would you?
I can go into more detail when I get home. I feel like we've played enough games together now that by mid day 2 I should feel pretty confident you're town. I also feel your read of me has been hedgy. your recent reads list doesn't alleviate that. what flips would solidify your read on me and why?
I think you are unlikely to be scum with Mastin. I'll have to think about Rancid. You derailed their lynch but the way they were appealing to you constantly and you sending them hugs feels like you are unlikely to be scum with them either and it'll help clear my mind.
What will clear your mind? Rancid's flip? Why are you expecting that flip before end of game? Do you think someone has the info about their alignment?
The one time you had to read me, you struggled to get a read although had me as leaning town so I don't know if you expected the same results or better.
Valid or not, my assumption is that reads are more easily formed with greater exposure to someone's play. And I feel like I"m reaching a point where I should have a pretty strong opinion by the end of day 1.
And in fact I did have a strong opinion by the end of day 1. But from your stances and questions it apparently isn't mutual. And I don't understand why. So the lack of mutuality is troubling and I wonder if my strong opinion was premature.
Your read on me is one thing that bugs me about you because I feel like I've been quite obviously town.
So do I. I feel like anyone who actually understands what differentiates my town game from my scum game should have no trouble reading me this game. And I thought that you had such an understanding because if anyone on this site has troubled to meta me you have. Nacho, too, but with him it's mostly experiential meta and the occasional follow-along of a game he isn't playing.
For example, leading a wagon on Rancid and putting this much effort into collaborating with the town. I'm also the most obviously town player from our neighborhood.
Your Rancid wagon did no favors with me. Putting this much effort in has been somewhat targeted and tactical, and I think you would do that no matter what your alignment. I think the way you have gone about it looks town, but not god-tier town which you keep insisting you've reached.
I am not sure why you'd expect to be read as obviously town when you haven't been.
Because you expect me to see you as obviously town. You're not the final judge of your towniness. And you haven't gotten over yourself. you're still expecting me to just...change my read.
I was completely taken aback that some players, including you and Bro, didn't have me solidly town but I'm dealing with it. I'm not haranguing you for not townreading me.
It's like you think you can bludgeon people into townreading you. Maybe that works sometimes with some players. All it does is get my back up.
Most of it D1 has been me and Pie leading the game and later Nacho
That's your opinion. I felt like whether the effect was good or ill, I was a large factor in how day 1 resolved, particularly that it didn't end with Rancid's lynch.
and D2 has been entirely me, you and Tammy trying to get on the same page
No it hasn't. There has been a lot of other stuff going on.
and figuring out where to go from there and Nacho's latest posts pushing everyone towards a Mastin lynch.
But this is key and will probably determine how this game day ends.
You are aware that your meta falls under different categories and some are easier to read as town than others. For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town. I've meta'd you enough that I can catch all of your towngames but I don't know why you wouldn't want me to be certain in a game where you are not obvtown.
I don't care that you aren't certain. I care that you've been undermining me and raising suspicions about me all of day 2 and I really think you ought to take a look at the company you're keeping.
I looked lynchable at least at one point this game day. I'm really surprised there wasn't a stronger push than there was. But some consideration of who took advantage of that, who distanced, and how that impacted other nascent wagons wouldn't be a bad thing no matter what my alignment.
Your hesitation in reading me is one of the things that make me hesitate in reading you as top-tier town which is weird because you are hesitating on me because of
my
read on you.
Aside from "omgwtf you don't have any scumreads" you've done precious little aside from try to get me to vote with you.
I'll respond to this in points:
1) I don't know if Rancid will flip before the end of the game. But I hope they will and I think they will. It would be a bit scum-sided to not let us know if we are in LYLO (I think it happened in a Bork game before though) or to hide their flip for good. I wonder if whoever killed them knows about it, or if there is a role that can access the flips (CSI agent? I definitely played games offsite with roles that can find out janitored flips), or as Nacho put forth, that the role is a scum role revealed upon Mastin's flip. I don't know how but I hope in some way, we find out.
2) Why I didn't have a strong opinion that you are town: for one, your defense of RBD and calling both of us town-town felt off. I counterclaimed them and was leading a lynch on them which sort of ticked me off. Your reads didn't make sense until I saw your latest one which aligns with my thoughts pretty closely and makes me feel a lot better. When you wonder if your strong opinion was premature, you are basically saying that I should townread you or you will re-evaluate which you said isn't what you are doing.
3) I think you are town but not 100% obvtown. That's what I gather from all the meta I have on you. I have you as borderline "will bank the game on you town" vs "weaker townread" and you are pretty much in the middle. So, you are nowhere close to being a "null" read or someone I can't get a read on (or borderline between town/scum like Clyton was). My read on you wasn't this strong before your posted your latest reads-list which actually helped me see your stances a lot more clearly. Your read on me was pretty much the only thing that bugged me.
4) I don't lead lynches as scum in the manner in which I pushed Rancid. I don't because it doesn't serve my wincon when I am scum. You don't either. You know that that is a difference in your town and scum play and you don't try to fix it because burning your town meta to the ground and playing exactly like you would as town might hinder a scum agenda. I think you said it after that newbie game that I watched where you fooled Cabd. Anyways, if I were scum, I probably wouldn't have flipped out at Nacho for derailing the Rancid lynch and those are the kind of things I can't fake even if I am fully aware of them.
5) I disagree that you were as large a factor in how D1 resolved as much as me or Pie (Nacho derailed the Rancid lynch) but I am not saying that makes you scum. I'm saying if you had been, then I'd have read you as obvtown without reservations. As of now, I read you as just town.
6) I disagree that I've been undermining you in any way. In fact, I felt that you have been. I recall you saying something like "F-16 is bitching about a compromise lynch" on D1, I can go find the quote if you want. I also recall you in general undermining my reads. I'm trying to work through all that and still see that you could do it as town but it is been a frustrating endeavor that I needed to get through when you make posts like that.
7) I've done a lot to get you to vote Mastin or Rancid yesterday. I pulled every card in the book and tried to snag those votes and I rarely tunnel as hard as I did. If it wasn't the reigning Don Corleone of the site that I was tunneling, I feel pretty sure, I'd have gotten them lynched D1. I only stepped back D2 because I wanted to get on the same page as everyone else and help build a more cohesive town and bounce thoughts off of other players which I have been doing with you, Tammy, Brian, PV, and in the neighborhood with Pie, Desp, and Nacho.
In post 4960, CarbonFiber wrote:Nacho's push on Mastin felt incredibly town and very closely matches the way Nacho pursues his suspects when he is town.
Except it's not?
He's using BROseidon's emotions to pursue a case on me, ignoring my own fucking emotions.
Also don't really get the Red Gyarados read, but eh, kinda don't feel like reading that right now.
In post 4960, CarbonFiber wrote:Post 548 in particular felt incredibly manipulative and felt like she was agreeing with points that didn't make a lot of sense at all.
Well, I'm reading that in hindsight and...still have not a damn clue what you're seeing. I don't agree with the read from there, but I'm not seeing the problem with the reasoning at all.
The way she attacked Ceph also felt like she didn't really give Ceph a lot to refute which is sort of convenient because I felt the same way when she pointed out posts in a way that was mostly insubstantial and irrefutable.
And I did the best I could to explain it, no?
Her points about me "raging" also felt like a disconnect from reality.
Helpful hint, if I seem disconnected from reality on a point in my posting, chances are I'm town. But I still kinda agree with that point, too, just not its conclusion.
I especially didn't like her portrayal of my play as bad.
You were attacking Rancid and myself, stubbornly without moving. I had every reason to. I still feel you're wrong today, but in a much less "bad" way.
Overall, I feel like everyone is suspecting Mastin for the way she attacked them and interacted with them.
Yes.
EVERYONE.
In the whole fucking game.
Suspecting me for having pushed them at some point or another.
...You really think my play as scum is to royally tick off every possible ally I'd have?
In post 5040, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I fucking told you all Clyton was town. Also, I'm probably going to stop letting mastin walls block up my reread and just not read them, because feeling like I needed to was what caused me to stop.
K this could be scum with mastin TBH if mastin actually is scum.
Also Imma let you finish but I was townreading Clyton the most.
And real life, and this fucking game. I devoted time here that could have been spent there, got a window to post there, but then couldn't because my connection to the fucking site died until the window had closed.
Not planned.
I had a plan. I never got a chance to execute it. I've been saying that this whole fucking day phase. Got a plan AND a chance to execute it, and I'm good. Only got the plan, and execution never comes? Useless.
But I still kinda agree with that point, too, just not its conclusion.