League of Legends (Old)

[MrZepher]

i've never seen lolking be near accurate for anyone tbh

[Brandi]

Yeah I only really use it to see what champs have the highest win %, as far as I know they are accurate with that. If there is another site that has different information I wouldn't know.

[Iecerint]

If you are blue side, try pinking the bush above red behind the dragon pit, that one usually stays alive longer and catches the enemy jungler or mid laner sneaking around.

I love that spot.

[MrZepher]

I usually ward there if I'm mid.
it's paid for itself every time.

[Iecerint]

Yayy my free RP all came through. ^^

[MrZepher]

the last two games of my gold series I had to play low division plats
silver 1 playing plat 4s and 5s

wtf that's not what's supposed to happen...... right?

[mykonian]

that's riot making sure you really earn gold

And it is somewhat supposed to happen. Esspecially if you had a bit of win streak towards your promo, or a decent winrate, your MMR is ahead of your league. Don't worry too much about it, it's a good sign.

[Saki]

even if they're low plat, if they're getting matched with silver 1, it means their mmr is bad and they're bad so you should have no problem winning

[JasonWazza]

So i've started using

http://www.lolskill.net

It's an interesting site that doesn't judge you on win/loss but on the actual skill you've presented in game, and before games gives you someone's skill score on their champ.

[Glork]

How does it measure "the actual skill you've presented in game"?

[TheIrishPope]

Someone's skill on a certain champ doesn't really tell you anything because:
1. they could be worse or better than their said skill in this specific match
2. the champion(s) they're playing against changes the skill they will present in this match
3. emotional tilt and stuff

[JasonWazza]

Someone's skill on a certain champ doesn't really tell you anything because:
1. they could be worse or better than their said skill in this specific match
2. the champion(s) they're playing against changes the skill they will present in this match
3. emotional tilt and stuff

1. The score you get when you load up a game is their overall skill on the champ over time

2/3. True but it's unlikely to make a difference to long term.

How does it measure "the actual skill you've presented in game"?

Honestly i'm not entirely sure how it fully works, but it compares you to the average version of that champ (not that i think it takes into account position)

I more use it to give me a bit of a baseline for what i'm playing against.

[RayFrost]

Looking at the website, I already have several problems:

It thinks that one game is a good basis to judge me as a god among men on trundle. I *lost* that game yet I'm almost 70% better than the average trundle player. Small sample size, I had a lane against a cho so I got to free farm, and I was completely useless in teamfights because I'm bad at trundle and let myself get kited all day erry day by sivir lulu due to bad build bad mechanics.

It doesn't weigh anything against time. It's just a flat average. In a 1 hour game with 100 kills, the value is gonna be "better" than a 15 minute stomp on 15 kills. Yet consistently getting 15 minute stomps is clearly a greater sign of skill than having an hour long game where both sides die 50 times and you just happen to only be 4 of those deaths.

It says I'm shit compared to the average league player on 90% of the champions I play.

I'm fairly sure that the reason I got to plat isn't because I'm less than average. Pretty sure. Just kind of a feeling.

If you used it to look me up it'd indicate that I'm bad and got carried (via magical pixie dust and gumdrops) all the way to plat when I really belong in the gold4-silver3 range. Pls.

[Saki]

In general, the skillscore on that site seems to be heavily influenced by # of games played and KDA/cs/gold earned, with # of games played playing a larger factor than KDA/cs/gold earned.

Although # of games played with a specific champion is a good indicator of how good a player is at a specific champion but # of games played w/ said champions in ranked is a shaky indicator at best because lolnormals and lolsmurfs.

And really, KDA/cs/gold earned is terribly inaccurate for anything less than ten games played with the champion.


Interestingly enough I see ray (and also myself) get less than average on almost all supports which leads me to believe that the site is using an average of total data for KDA/CS/Gold earned and there are idiots out there who take those champions into solo lanes and make us all look bad by padding up the average.

qq

[Saki]

and I've played exactly one game with LeBlanc in which I had 60 cs at 35m when the game ended and I play 125% better than all LeBlanc players out there

wooot


also something bothers me about that site not taking into account winrate, positions, or wards purchased.

[BROseidon]

You can carry really bad ADCs, since anyone can do well once they're ahead.

You can carry an average ADC, you can't carry a shit one.

I've carried some super-shitty ADCs.

[BROseidon]

Yeah that site is bad.

Skill is only really seeable in win rate over a large period of time :/

[mykonian]

It doesn't weigh anything against time. It's just a flat average. In a 1 hour game with 100 kills, the value is gonna be "better" than a 15 minute stomp on 15 kills. Yet consistently getting 15 minute stomps is clearly a greater sign of skill than having an hour long game where both sides die 50 times and you just happen to only be 4 of those deaths.

And gosh, wouldn't one of the key aspects of higher level games be that players take an advantage and use it to win the game sooner rather than later?

[Iecerint]

Total games played with this champion (compared to the average of all players)

lolwat

[AngryPidgeon]

If you are blue side, try pinking the bush above red behind the dragon pit, that one usually stays alive longer and catches the enemy jungler or mid laner sneaking around.

I love that spot.

Actually I never really used it before, I have started since you pointed it out to me. If Im support on blue side or jungler on either side, I often drop one there.

[Iecerint]

I'm happy that Brandi validated my feelings.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah that bush is a good place. I also find at my elo that pink warding the river bush bot side above dragon and right outside where red side bot jungle and mid lane bot side enter into river usually works. Most people don't facecheck that bush when moving around.

[AngryPidgeon]

A PSA: About Wards

DO

Buy wards. If you are a role other than support, you should probably buy a ward every time you go back to base or every other time. If you can buy a pink and put it in a good place, that will liekly be more gold efficient.

Try to defend your pink wards as best you can without dying for them.

Put wards in bushes. 9 times out of 10, putting a ward in a bush as opposed to near a bush is going to be the right play.

DO NOT

Put wards near other wards on your team. I cannot tell you how many times I, on the blue team, have seen this bullshit. A pinkward in the mini circle bush near baron. And a pink ward not 1 fucking inch away from it, in the bush that wraps around the ledge near midlane. Stop it. Stop wasting your money on shit that gives you no extra vision. People do this in diamond and I dont get it. Fuck. Stop. Spread your wards out efficiently.

Place pinkwards in places they are going to die. This is a bit vague, and may depend on how competent the enemy team is. But the main purpose of pink wards is to put them in places to maximize their longevity. If you are on blue team: Tribush near botlane, Bush behind redbuff, and the bush that hugs midlane near baron are very good spots for wards. Your own blue buff is also a reasonable place for a ward, especially if you are on purple team.

[BROseidon]

Where to place your pinks:

Top lane: Purple should place in tri, blue should place in the too-late bush.

Mid: Small river-bush on blue-side jungle.

Jungle: Entrance to red-side jungle.

Support: Inverse of top, or you can place it at drag when you are about to go for it.

ADC: Same as support.

[AngryPidgeon]

Top lane: Purple should place in tri, blue should place in the too-late bush.

TBH I think the bush that wraps around Midlane is better for that. This place is almost always goingto get checked when someone ganks your lane. I frequently see people run past the mid bush through baron on their way to gank top w/o checking that ward. And its not like anyone is going to come from your blue buff to gank you. Best to pink near mid and ward Tri with a green imo.

Mid: Small river-bush on blue-side jungle.

Meh, I prefer the bush next to this one because it doesnt get checked / is easier to defend for no real extra advantage to having it in the circle-bush.