Mini 1567 - Such Unusual Pretermen... ...Evil Too!

[Empking]

Vote Count Eleven: I won't repeat what I said at seven.

Belisarius (1) - Kagami
Kagami (1) - geists

Not Voting: Zephyrus, FormerFish, Cho, MTD, PhDScar, Belisarius, Juls, Nobody Special, Who

With Eleven alive, it is Six to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-17 13:57:32)

[Juls]

Will post later today. I have my brother's kids in addition to my own. He should be picking him up today though.

Happy Scumday Empking

[Cho]

I agree with the townreads on me.

This is mostly a prod dodge.

[geists]

Does anyone actually know the setup and how many roles their are? I can't seem to find it or it was provided.

This isn't an open setup. It's a uPick.

Seeing as Josh B was scum, the people who didn't vote for him - Not Voting: PhDScar, Belisarius, FormerFish, Who. Thats assuming that their was no bussing involved and scum wasn't on the Josh B wagon. Thoughts?

Why should we start with those assumptions?

[Formerfish]

I would fully assume that scum would be on a guilty. It's much harder to explain being off a guilty lynch than being on a guilty mislynch. Look at the first 2 lynches in the completed Touhou game for examples.

[Formerfish]

I hate weekend on this site. The time where I am able to post more and everyone posts less.

[geists]

I'm around now. What do you want to talk about?

[Formerfish]

You seem to be on the level, I've figured out I play better with someone else. Where do you think we should focus our attention?

[fferyllt]

zephyrus and kagami toDay, I think.

[geists]

zephyrus and kagami toDay, I think.

sigh

[Formerfish]

I missed where you were in giests fery, zephyrus I don't really have an issue with looking into, something he did pinged me weirdly. I still don't know what you are seeing with Kagami though, I isoed her and can't find much I would normally find scummy.

[geists]

She's pinging for Nati and I'm having some mild meta based concerns as well.

[geists]

zephyrus feels like the easy one, though, so I want to focus on kagami until I think she's town or not.

[Formerfish]

I don't have all that much experience with Kagami, just from Touhou I think.

[geists]

This game could use the presence of a few players.

[Belisarius]

I'm really not seeing anything scum in Kagami either.

Why

is she pinging, Nati?

[Kagami]

I missed where you were in giests fery, zephyrus I don't really have an issue with looking into, something he did pinged me weirdly. I still don't know what you are seeing with Kagami though, I isoed her and can't find much I would normally find scummy.

You are geists are funny in that you both seem to be scumhunting by iso-ing suspects, while not iso-ing the flipped scum.

Josh was clearly not a masterful scum player spreading the mist and setting up future mislynches, or even a good scum attempting to distance. His interactions with both myself and NS are not badscum-scum.

[Formerfish]

Well if we aren't scumhunting in the correct method, do you have something you'd like to share with the class?

[Juls]

Alright, I am caught up. Sorry, my brother came later than expected and I was exhausted after four kids! Read through the day and did some looking back over night. Probably best to just give my reads and go from there...

Leaning Town

geists - Liked the pushes on Josh that were un-related to the guilty flip. The only thing that kinda pinged me is the request to mass claim (which I don't necessarily read as scum-motivated) and the request for josh to claim in twilight. It came off as an attempt to earn town points.
Kagami - Not sure why geists is reading Kagami as scum. She was one of my top town reads day 1. Couldn't really point to one thing, just an overall feel.
MTD - Again, one of my top town reads. Questioning of josh was good.
Who - Obvious reasons. Could be a scum-gambit but I doubt it.

Neutral

Cho - Didn't really do anything scummy but didn't really add anything new to day one. I think the only thing she said that ws "new" to the discussion was about vezok having a history of role speculating based on nothing.
FormerFish - Can't really read one way or another at this point. Wasn't active day 1 and not really getting much from day 2 content.
PhDScar - Does not exist.
Belisaurius - This might be in the more leaning town column but not quite ready to put him there. He was neutral day one. Going back and rereading him after the flip, I can't see josh's partner saying he wasn't confident josh would flip scum in post 180. If he isn't town, he would have to be a third party. Since we only had one kill in the night, I can't see it being a killing role either. So...kinda lost on Belisaurius.

Leaning Scum

Nobody Special - Absolutely nothing out of him day 1. Lots of conversation but he just voted more-or-less for Josh. Felt like scum resigned to partner getting lynched.
Zephyrus - Didn't like his RVS. Has stuck in my head ever since. Didn't contribute much to day 1 and the hammer felt off. Plus playing the confusion-card so far today.

Vote: Zephyrus

[Juls]

EBWOP: on geists, that should say "guilty result from Who" rather than the flip.

[Nobody Special]

That would be you, Josh, and vezok.

Now what?

Do you selectively read usually? I voted for Who during rvs, and then unvoted after the guilty. I guess my idea isn'tgoing tto go anywhere though since the only other person to vote Who was night shot. Guess it wasn't that bad of a shot when you think about it.

I was merely going by votecounts.

You were voting Josh, so I included you in the list.

[geists]

I missed where you were in giests fery, zephyrus I don't really have an issue with looking into, something he did pinged me weirdly. I still don't know what you are seeing with Kagami though, I isoed her and can't find much I would normally find scummy.

You are geists are funny in that you both seem to be scumhunting by iso-ing suspects, while not iso-ing the flipped scum.

I'm curious why you think our scumreads are iso-based.

Josh was clearly not a masterful scum player spreading the mist and setting up future mislynches, or even a good scum attempting to distance. His interactions with both myself and NS are not badscum-scum.

And I'm even more curious how a Josh iso led to a Beli vote.

Do tell.

[geists]

Alright if ffery is St Traft, I'm the 4/4 angel token!

So, first off, massclaim. There are three threads that are open at the moment.

-vezok's vig
-Who's role changing
-night zero existing

The vig should claim to autoconfirm another player.
The doc/roleblocker claim should softconfirm two more players.

There is additionally a secret something going on in the background that is bothering me--a mechanic that I'm just on the inkling of figuring out, that should solve this game. I need all the pieces on the table, though.

We have already lynched a scum so we should be going for max information rather than anything else atm.

Secondly, I'm trying to frame my kagami case at the moment. More coming soon. I'm leaning towards a Kagami/NS team atm, really.

[Nobody Special]

Alright if ffery is St Traft, I'm the 4/4 angel token!

Is this something game-related that I need to understand, or irrelevant fluff that I can safely ignore?

[geists]

Alright if ffery is St Traft, I'm the 4/4 angel token!

Is this something game-related that I need to understand, or irrelevant fluff that I can safely ignore?

Geist of St Traft 1WU
Legendary Creature--Spirit Cleric
Hexproof(this permanent can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponent's control)
Whenever Geist of St Traft attacks, put a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying onto the battlefield. At the end of combat, exile it.
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