League of Legends (Old)

[AGar]

What the hell is the "too late bush"?

[Saki]

Total games played with this champion (compared to the average of all players)

lolwat

a very important statistic

experience with a champion > anything else

like, really

actually

is first time leblanc going to beat someone with 150 karthus games?

hell no

[AngryPidgeon]

Depends on the players :p. I'd take that challenge up against a silver karth. Tbph I think learning to play AGAINST champs is more important/relevant than learning how to play specific champs.

And "too late bush" is the bush in the river tight next to top lane.

[Iecerint]

My point is that "compared to the average of all players" doesn't make any sense for that statistic, and it looks like it isn't actually applied to the statistics listed.

[JasonWazza]

Interestingly enough I see ray (and also myself) get less than average on almost all supports which leads me to believe that the site is using an average of total data for KDA/CS/Gold earned and there are idiots out there who take those champions into solo lanes and make us all look bad by padding up the average.

Personally i have been taking the Support scores with a grain of salt, because of this.

EDIT: I also never take my jungle Teemo scores seriously either, because fuck they have warped it so badly.

[xRECKONERx]

Jungle: Entrance to red-side jungle.

There are like four entrances to red size jungle

what are you saying

[MrZepher]

he means red buff

teams are still considered purple/blue

[JasonWazza]

My op.gg is stuck and won't update past 3 days ago >.>

[RayFrost]

And "too late bush" is the bush in the river tight next to top lane.

Because if you see the jungler here and you're pushed up, you're probably fucked. No matter which side you're on.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Ugh. Had a jax that fed Riven 3 kills and ragequit, then we managed to turtle till the 50 minute mark, winning 2 teamfights when they tried to dive us and got an inhibitor that way

Then our warwick overextends, he dies and the enemy overruns us. Ugh, so close.

Had the best kda and gold as support zyra too. I felt so sad but I got 4 honorable opponents for it. Zyra works so well against Riven/Yasuo/Leona/Olaf/Ashe team.

[MrZepher]

zyra is god tier counter engage

you just need to not have shit tier mechanics

[JasonWazza]

everyone can hate me all they want, but i am seriously considering being a teemo main.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Then you better win the early game because you'll lose late. And in the Current lategamr meta you better be a good Teemo

[JasonWazza]

Then you better win the early game because you'll lose late. And in the Current lategamr meta you better be a good Teemo

Yeah so far i have only found one champ i lose against (Lee sin) otherwise i tend to be ripping shreds.

[JasonWazza]

Also a major difference between my teemo, and most other teemos, is that i have pushing power and mostly on hit damage, whereas other teemo's tend to only have an advantage in their own territory (Pre prepared shrooms)

My shrooms still hurt, just not as badly.

[lil g]

If you never pick Teemo first, you will probably never lose lane. If you can orbwalk even decently, he'll shred most current meta toplaners, and he has a lot of skill matchups.
Mages, Xin, and Yorick will absolutely destroy you, also be wary of guys you can dominate for 6 levels and will then combokill you. A lot of the skill matchups are actually wars of attrition that you will eventually lose; Darius/Jax/etc will eventually walk through everything you have and smash you, and once that happens it's over.

Carry jungler meta can be tough since you're so short range and squishy, I'd still go full AP over any other build path, and of course you give up a spot for engage/cc, but laning vs a good Teemo is like being locked in a cage with the devil. He's a pretty shitty lategame champ and teamfighter, but you should be absolutely ruining one guy's life per match, and it's easier to win a game in a lane you win hard vs one you don't.

I don't recommend it but hey, its the wild west: win lanes, win games, and get out of low elo any way you can. The next step from playing Teemo is using your newfound trading/harassing skills to pick up a champ who has more presence. Someone who shares Teemo's hit and run, free harass playstyle is Renekton, who has the added benefits of being manaless, having good sustain, and having cc and engage.

I've written a lot on Teemo and while he's wildly fun and a truly hate-inspiring son of a bitch, he's just not that strong in solo queue.
Hypen Reds, Armor Yellow, MR/AP Blue, AP Quints. 27-0-3 for MS or 30-0-0 to maximize damage, you'll always explode if caught, there are no points in defense worth taking.
Core is Nashor Liandry Sorc Chalice, 6item options are something like: RDC, Void, Zhonya, same as every other mage. Don't buy Rylai's ever.

Any onhit/hybrid is for "bruiser teemo" or jungling, both are gimmicks, Teemo jungles as well as any other gimmick no-cc jungler. If you want that weird onhit hybrid stuff, it plays a lot stronger on someone like Lulu (who also offers a lot more utility and has much safer laning vs everyone).

Being a Teemo player is a rite of passage, once you learn his timing you'll always be able to make people cry in normals, but when money's on the line you'll go with something stronger across the board. Super Teemo 4 life.

[JasonWazza]

yeah considering i have a decent amount of presence late game, i'll stick with what i have.

The difference is i build to have presence all through the game, if i'm not focused, i will just tear down the entire team, and even while being focused i do a decent job (an amazing job as a jungler.)

Build start;
Jungler: hunters machete, 5 pots.
Top/Mid: Crystaline flask and pots.

Jungler mid game core items: Feral Flare, Runnan's Hurricane
Laner mid game core items: Runnan's Hurricane, Nashor's Tooth.

Later game: Feral Flare (If jungle), Runnan's Hurricane, Nashor's Tooth, Liandry's Torment, Frozen Mallet, Guardian Angel, Boots of swiftness (If not jungle)

I only pick teemo in jungle if i am certain that the enemy has a feral flare jungler, as any counter jungler/gank heavy jungles cause me problems (i'm not much until the 5k gold mark).

In lane i have only found a lee sin to be a problem because of that fucking ridiculous amount of damage he places out for no good reason.

Jungler late game, fucks all FF jungles (Blind) and can heal from all 3 shots, and generally it is rare that anyone can 1v1 my teemo at that point, let alone 3v1 because of the amount of healing it causes.

Jax is one of the champs i kinda just laugh at, blind as soon as he starts up his counter strike, if he lands his stun, he loses all his damage afterwards, and then we have a fair playing field.

[lil g]

Things to consider:

-Teemo lacks early dueling, late teamfight, and any initiation /cc for ganking or teamfight. Teemo is not a solo queue jungler.

-By only picking Teemo as a jungler if the other team has a FF jungler, you are hardcountering yourself, setting yourself up to play afraid of your own jungle, and guaranteeing that you are killed if counterjungled without flash.

-In lane, you want to start with an offensive item on Teemo, that's a dring 90% of the time. Flask/pots is an extremely conservative start, that's what you should be expecting your opponent to start with since you will be doing all of the damage early on. Teemo's early game is poke damage (aa Q aa), not trading damage, so you shouldn't be getting hit back. You don't have the stats to trade with anyone in toplane, any "trade" before level 3 is effectively an all-in for your opponent since they won't be able to escape. If they come in on you, they aren't intending to walk away until you're dead.

-You want a Zhonyas instead of a GA on AP champions, it does double duty as an offensive/defensive item and has a quarter of the cd time for the effect, saving you 4 times as often. Get focused - Zhonya - W - scoot and shoot. Without the lifesteal/dmg combo of an ADC or the high defensive stats of an initiator, you're just going to die in 1 hit when you pop back up from a GA every five minutes.

-Hurricane/Nashors/Liandrys/Mallet/GA is about the worst thing you can do to yourself. You've split your effectiveness into at least 4 categories (attack speed, ap/mpen, ad, and defense). You want to pick one, possibly two areas and go all out in them. By splitting your items so much, you've diversified your build into complete ineffectiveness. If you really want to do the ridiculous onhit/atk speed, you want a bork, a wits end and a rageblade, and you want to win the game before anyone gets defense built. There's a reason you don't see any hybrid builds, you split the damage and end up hamstringing yourself since with a little bit of everything, you are countered by scaling armor/mr and a modest defensive item.

Teemo is the king of guerilla warfare and excels as a glass cannon, using speed, elusiveness, and stealth to stay alive. His traps provide unmatched vision and map control with the s4 vision changes. They also do a shitload of damage if you build right. He's a niche champ and doesn't have a role in every game, but has a lot of potential as long as you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

All that being said, it sounds like you are using the wrong tool for the job. Decide what you want to focus on and pick a champ who has a more streamlined and straightforward way to get it done. Do you want to splitpush effectively (kill towers alone, kill the person who comes to stop you)? Pick an autoattacker with good waveclear and an attack speed boost like Trynd, Yi, Jax, or Fiora. All of those are strong duelists and have 1v5 carry potential if fed. Do you just want an easy, cheesy toplane that will dominate scrubs AND provide you with a solid, linear build for effectiveness lategame? Play Ryze or Quinn.

Winning is hard enough without making it more difficult for yourself with suboptimal loadouts.

[BROseidon]

And "too late bush" is the bush in the river tight next to top lane.

Because if you see the jungler here and you're pushed up, you're probably fucked. No matter which side you're on.

Exactly.

[BROseidon]

I should make a map of major ward locations and when to use them, since I'm generally pretty confident in my ward theory (now if only I could constantly keep 3 wards down in games...)

[GreyICE]

I always feel like Runaan's on Teemo is built by people who have zero understanding of champion roles.

Teemo has nothing that contributes to a teamfight. He has 500 range, does less damage than an ADC (and the only 500 range ADC is Sivir, unless you count the ones who will be firing at longer than 500 range due to abilities), his only AOE is an egg that people have to walk on (aka he doesn't even need to be there) and he's super duper squishy, even if you build a Zhonya's. Runaan's Hurricane is an item with virtually zero stats for its cost (it's 70% efficient, which makes it one of the worst items in the game) and the passive is utterly useless unless you're close to multiple people. Which, as we've already established, is literal suicide for Teemo.

Meanwhile in a split push situation, it does let him clear waves faster, at the cost of the fact that one of his legendaries does literally nothing in a duel (the attack speed only procs the static damage on his darts faster, it doesn't even stack the poison damage. It's an unbelievably bad stat, on an item that has literally nothing else). Any dueling champion will tear him to shreds. I'd love to see Teemo try to take out Shyvanna or Ryze or Vayne or Zed.

P.S. Jax vs. Teemo is a skill matchup where Teemo's skill is virtually irrelevant. Assuming Jax has blade and a basic understanding of timings, Teemo is dead as a doornail. One does not simply fight Jax if Jax has items (again, shitty Jax is bad at farming, and thus doesn't have items).

[BROseidon]

Teemo shits on Jax early, though. Or at least I think he does; top is the lane I understand least.

But yeah, Teemo should sit in top lane and never leave. Mushrooms everywhere make it a living hell, and once you shit on your lane opponent, you should be enough ahead that they have to commit an unreasonable number of resources to stop you.

This is countered by pre-6 ganks and laners that can trade with Teemo.

[mykonian]

I always feel like Runaan's on Teemo is built by people who have zero understanding of champion roles.

I'm 90% sure the graph that gives runaans/games across different divisions would be very informative. It's a trap item, the lower you get, the more it gets build on any kind of ranged champion. I've seen most of them, I think.

[TheIrishPope]

I get unbanned tomorrow~

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Also, pushing with Teemo in the early levels is such a noobtrap as well. You're so easily gankable pre6 without your shrooms, it's not even funny.