Mini 1567 - Such Unusual Pretermen... ...Evil Too!

[Formerfish]

That's a pretty short read...

Seriously though, Jesus.

[fferyllt]

yeah, I think it's the current record holder.

[geists]

yeah, I think it's the current record holder.

ok that one put a palm mark on my forehead.

[Formerfish]

Vote Count Nine.Five: Somebody's no longer alive.

Josh_B (7) - Cho, MTD, Juls, Kagami, Nobody Special, geists, Zephyrus
Who (2)- Josh_B, vezokpiraka

Not Voting: PhDScar, Belisarius, FormerFish, Who

With Thirteen alive, it is Seven to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-10 13:21:24)

Alright, so here us the lynch vc. Josh and vezo are dead, so that avenue is closed. It does concern me a little that Who isn't on the lynch that his guilty started, but I'd have to look at the course of events to figure out why. I don't remember PhD at all, and Beli gets my benefit of the doubtfor now. I am not worried about myself.

If we are following the normal scum rules we are looking at 3, right? So who on the lynch is bussing for town cred?

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fish

[Formerfish]

Are you volunteering? That's mighty white of you.

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: FormerFish

I bet you can figure out why.

[Formerfish]

Because you are scum with Kagami and are showing solidarity to the cause?

[Nobody Special]

BZZZZT.

Try again. (Hint: it's in 328)

[Formerfish]

The fact that you were on the lynch therefore could be scum? I've already pointed out a game where something very similar happened. Are you saying that I am wrong to assume scum on the lynch of a guilited buddy?

[Belisarius]

I'll add my support to the pro-massclaim camp because I've decided, for no reason I'm consciously aware of, to trust Nati.

might it have something to do with FEA? /fferyquestion

No, it's pure gut.

This is probably the worst decision I've ever made (and I started smoking as an adult) but I'm going to go ahead and do it anyways.

[Empking]

Vote Count Fourteen: Watch out for the chlorine.

FormerFish (2) - Kagami, Nobody Special
Kagami (1) - geists
Zephyrus (1) - Juls

Not Voting: Zephyrus, FormerFish, Cho, MTD, PhDScar, Belisarius, Who

With Eleven alive, it is Six to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-17 13:57:32)

[MTD]

So... why are people voting Formerfish again?

And @Kagami: I think that in this situation a massclaim favors town more than scum. Scum can use the additional info in their NK's but town can coordinate their Night actions, avoid mislynches that hurt and if we're lucky even find scum through a bad claim.

[Cho]

VOTE: Formerfish

328 doesn't sound genuine to me.

[Formerfish]

Alright, enough with this shit. Cho, you have experience with me that I am unaware of that would give you a baseline on what sounds genuine? No, get to stepping and come at me with some real fucking reasons.

Kagami and Nobody, same goes for you. You want to engage me so I can take your arguments apart, or are you just going to snipe from a distance and avoid coming directly to my door.

The game is stagnant right now, I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. Looking at the composition of a successful wagon on guiltied scum seems like a damn good place to start when I just played a game where this happened. You know who was on a good lynch in that game, scum looking to get easy town cred from being on the lynch.

If you guys have an issue with the line of discussion I am persuing then by all means let's talk about your ideas, oh yeah that's right you guys aren't doing much to advance the game other than voting me for... reasons.

[Juls]

@Formerfish - If you are so concerned with who was on the josh wagon, why did you ignore my point about Zephyrus and the hammer? You mentioned previously he "pinged" you weirdly. Can you explain that?

[geists]

We still think Kagami is looking pretty scummy.

[Formerfish]

@Formerfish - If you are so concerned with who was on the josh wagon, why did you ignore my point about Zephyrus and the hammer? You mentioned previously he "pinged" you weirdly. Can you explain that?

Didn't ignore, missed it. Most of my play these days is done on my phone at work, so yeah. I actually think that Zephyrus is scum mostly for the hammer. Think about it, your buddy is getting strung up for a righteous guilty and you want to end the day as quickly as possible so that nothing else comes out by accident from him or one of the other scum. This is why caught scum will sometimes self hammer. So you want the rest of what pinged me about Zep, let's take a look at his entire iso.

I dont remember signing up for this... hm

No rvs vote attached to a weak sauce opener.

RVS

VOTE: Cho

Why announce it was RVS? And I would like to look at some of his other games to see how he usually opens as scum.

@Zeph, why state that it is RVS?

Why do you ask? Am I incorrect?

Empty post. And he doesn't even answer the question, just sidesteps it.

Why do you ask? Am I incorrect?

I ask because it was awkward and void of a reason. I realize RVS is usually ridiculous but it struck me as odd.

Most people do it D1...

Again empty. Most people do random vote day 1, not many announce them as rvs votes, is he seriously not getting why people took a sideways glance at him?

That doesn't make sense. You voted kagami for saying her role didn't match her pick and now you are saying your role doesn't match your pick.

my role matches my random unknown character pick.

Wait it was random? I thought you chose your character

Complete lack of understanding to the game state. Also sounds like he was trying to say his role matched what he sent in. Mine doesn't at all and I have a town role pm, guess the scum ones are different.

Why are we mass claiming tomorrow?

Empty.

A mass claim would probably be helpful.

Says the scum.

Hear hear

Empty. And no vote for someone he just agreed was scum.

Let's move onto the next day

UNVOTE: Cho

VOTE: Josh_B

"Well, guess there is no saving my scumbuddy, he sure is fucked, let's put him out of his misery."

Does anyone actually know the setup and how many roles their are? I can't seem to find it or it was provided.

Seeing as Josh B was scum, the people who didn't vote for him - Not Voting: PhDScar, Belisarius, FormerFish, Who. Thats assuming that their was no bussing involved and scum wasn't on the Josh B wagon. Thoughts?

Fishing at worst, and idiocy at best. Also slyly implying that we should only look at people off the lynch.

Leaning Scum

Nobody Special - Absolutely nothing out of him day 1. Lots of conversation but he just voted more-or-less for Josh. Felt like scum resigned to partner getting lynched.
Zephyrus - Didn't like his RVS. Has stuck in my head ever since. Didn't contribute much to day 1 and the hammer felt off. Plus playing the confusion-card so far today.

Vote: Zephyrus

So you believe I hammer my scum buddy? Ok...

Long answer: you have quite the impressive testicular fortitude to imply that hammering a scum buddy is an asinine idea and that people who accuse you of doing so should feel bad about themselves. The hammer is exactly where I would expect scum to be on a lynch like that. The shear fact that you reply as obtusely as you did sealed your fate in my eyes.
Short answer: Yes, do I think you hammered your buddy.

Any questions?

[Formerfish]

Scratch the first post he made about not remembering he'd signed up, that post was made pregame. Doesn't change anything though.

[Juls]

Where the hell is Who anyway?

[Belisarius]

339 and 342 are about midway between town as hell and town is fuck.

I'm going to sheep Fish

at least

until someone explains, actually explains what's so fucking scummy about 328

VOTE: Zeph

[Formerfish]

Vote Zep

I forgot to do this somehow.

[Cho]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zephyrus

Fine, I like the case. And it's always good to not just assume newb-town when looking at a player, because newb-scum can happen too.

Sorry that I've been so busy. My courses are taking up much of my time with final exams.

[Kagami]

Spoiler: 328

Vote Count Nine.Five: Somebody's no longer alive.

Josh_B (7) - Cho, MTD, Juls, Kagami, Nobody Special, geists, Zephyrus
Who (2)- Josh_B, vezokpiraka

Not Voting: PhDScar, Belisarius, FormerFish, Who

With Thirteen alive, it is Seven to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-10 13:21:24)

Alright, so here us the lynch vc. Josh and vezo are dead, so that avenue is closed. It does concern me a little that Who isn't on the lynch that his guilty started, but I'd have to look at the course of events to figure out why. I don't remember PhD at all, and Beli gets my benefit of the doubtfor now. I am not worried about myself.

If we are following the normal scum rules we are looking at 3, right? So who on the lynch is bussing for town cred?

This is scummy for many reasons.

It strongly advocates for lynching among the group of players that the poster is not a part of. FF seems to believe that both scum are on the wagon, despite the fact that everyone off the wagon is null/scummy, except Who, the one off-wagon player he tries to paint as suspicious.

The reasons for phd, beli, and himself not being scum feel forced, as does the "Are there 3 scum?"

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342, however, does present a reasonable argument. I'm a little leery about it, though, since it feels set up by 328.

Re: mass-claim, I still question whether it's a good idea. The games that can be broken by early mass-claim are almost exclusively role-madness, in which the scum have to claim roles, and their role/actions can be evaluated or proven. That said, it sounds like nati has more information than I do about this game, so maybe it's ok.

[Empking]

Who hasn't posted in response to his post so I'll start looking for a replacement. If he posts before I find one, then that's fine.